Theory about Itachi's eyes

[raijin]

Ok one more shot on Range before I move on to Raijin's comment. Kakashi knew about buushin and gates before. But did he ever perform them? Chronological fact from the story is NO. Kakashi PERFORMS abilities AFTER he was exposed to them. You have no evidence to say that he could PERFORM them before. All you can say is that he "knew of them" prior.

Well, it's been mentioned before, but Kakashi is one of the Leaf's top ninjas. Why would he need to copy a Jounin level technique from Naruto? He doesn't. There is no chronological fact in your theory, just assumptions. Just because he saw Naruto perform Kage Bunshin, does not mean he copied it.

Second point. Ok, say what you're saying is right Kakashi knows all about Gates before Lee does it. Does that fucking mean he knows all about Mange when he explains it to Asuma and Kurenai what Mange might do if they look in his eyes? NO IT DOES NOT. Otherwise Kakashi knows Mange Sharingan as well as the Gates since "before those two were itches in their daddies pants".

Kakashi just tells Asuma and Kurenai to just close their eyes, he did not explain what the Mangekyou Sharingan was. It seems like he knew something about it, but not thoroughly. Itachi is the one who explains to Kakashi the power of his Mangekyou Sharingan.

Hell no he didn't. If Hayate did, the buushins would have done damage instead of forcing Hayate to jump down and make an actual blow from above. And only 3 buushins from a jounin? HAHA. Naruto can do 100 without Kyuubi. It was a totally different jutsu seeing how it gained praise from the Sand Nin.

Well, I have the Official Naruto Character Data Book (published/released by Jump Comics & Kishimoto) which states that Kage Bunshin is used in the Dance of the Crescent Moon. With Kage Bunshin, you are unable to distinguish which clone is the "original" since chakra is divided evenly among them. The Kage Bunshins were used as distraction as the "real" Hayate attacked from above. With regular Bunshin, since it is a low level skill and creates "false" clones, a highly skilled individual is capable of spotting the real person.

BakaShinji, you have failed to respond to the questions I have asked from you. Itachi never worries or comments about Kakashi copying his techniques. As I mentioned in a previous post, please provide the chapter & page #, you are possibly confusing this incident to Kabuto's comments to Baki concerning Kakashi copying his techniques.

[BakaShinji]

Fear of Sharingan:
Mmm... You're right about the fear of copying. Thanks for pointing that out for me. That was between Baki and Kakashi, not Itachi and Kakashi.

Hayate's Kage Buushin:
Well, if the Official Naruto Character Database says it, I guess it has to be true. It wasn't something that I was aware of before.
Ok so Hayate can Kage Buushin. Great.
But that's only the third person that can do it, not counting Kakashi.

Hokage 3, Naruto, Hayate
edit: actually 4, Ebisu too /edit

Adding one more person to the pool people that can do it doesn't put the idea that Kakashi can do it beyond an assumption.
I still hold evidence of chronological event as greater evidence for my own opposing view.

Also I take production facts into account. The fact that fact parts were added between the manga to anime to help string together Kakashi's copying.
A. Kakashi watching Naruto from his bubble (for Kage Buushin)
B. Kakashi's brain on the cliff (for Gate numero uno or dos. Both are in the brain)

BTW: let us rejoice in ceasefire and GO WATCH 78 =D~~~~

[BakaShinji]

Originally posted by: raijin
EDIT: Orochimaru has used Kage Bunshin before, in the Forest of Death against Anko. Also, the reason why Kage Bunshin is not used frequently, is that it evenly divides the user's chakra among the clones. The more clones, the more the chakra is divided and theoretically the weaker the user becomes since chakra is derived from stamina. Naruto has an abnormal amount of stamina as well as the Kyuubi's chakra; this is why he can use Kage Bunshin frequently.

It was Kawarimi not Kage buushin.
"Kawarimi yo. " - Orochimaru ep 30 14:01 ANBU v.

[raijin]

Originally posted by: BakaShinji

Originally posted by: raijin
EDIT: Orochimaru has used Kage Bunshin before, in the Forest of Death against Anko. Also, the reason why Kage Bunshin is not used frequently, is that it evenly divides the user's chakra among the clones. The more clones, the more the chakra is divided and theoretically the weaker the user becomes since chakra is derived from stamina. Naruto has an abnormal amount of stamina as well as the Kyuubi's chakra; this is why he can use Kage Bunshin frequently.

It was Kawarimi not Kage buushin.
"Kawarimi yo. " - Orochimaru ep 30 14:01 ANBU v.

I was using the manga as my reference. It seems like the animators changed it to kawarimi in the anime. But Orochimaru says he uses Kage Bunshin in the manga:

Orochimaru Kage Bunshin

For those of you who don't know Japanese, the middle left frame where Orochimaru is speaking says "Kage Bunshin".

[BakaShinji]

Originally posted by: raijin

Originally posted by: BakaShinji

Originally posted by: raijin
EDIT: Orochimaru has used Kage Bunshin before, in the Forest of Death against Anko. Also, the reason why Kage Bunshin is not used frequently, is that it evenly divides the user's chakra among the clones. The more clones, the more the chakra is divided and theoretically the weaker the user becomes since chakra is derived from stamina. Naruto has an abnormal amount of stamina as well as the Kyuubi's chakra; this is why he can use Kage Bunshin frequently.

It was Kawarimi not Kage buushin.
"Kawarimi yo. " - Orochimaru ep 30 14:01 ANBU v.

I was using the manga as my reference. It seems like the animators changed it to kawarimi in the anime. But Orochimaru says he uses Kage Bunshin in the manga:

Orochimaru Kage Bunshin

For those of you who don't know Japanese, the middle left frame where Orochimaru is speaking says "Kage Bunshin".

mmm interesting...
So what do we go with?
The anime or the manga? We are in the manga forum...... nutz...
I think if the writers decided to put kawarimi instead of kage buushin in the anime, I would believe Kishimoto had a say in it. The same with the added anime scenes (kage cough... gates.. cough). Anyways that's just me believing Kishimoto's refining plot.

[itachi_]

If Kakashi cannot use or copy that Mangekyou Sharingan with just his eye, it would be good if they can change his blood, Tsunande can do a operation and change blood, like human change from AB to A or vise versa... making Kakashi achieve the advance bloodline... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

[BakaShinji]

Originally posted by: itachi_
If Kakashi cannot use or copy that Mangekyou Sharingan with just his eye, it would be good if they can change his blood, Tsunande can make a operation and change blood, like human change from AB to A or vise versa... making Kakashi achieve the advance bloodline... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

do you think Kakashi would have to see it again to do mange? or that first time when he didn't have the blood was enough to teach him HOW it is done.