*i didn't want to post in an IM convo way, but i have to, sorry*

Originally posted by: BakaShinji
Ok ... presenting events that happen in the story is not evidence? Do you think I'm lying and making these events up? Do you even watch Naruto?
you didn't even understand what i meant by concrete evidence. i'm asking how you can determine that (example here: ) if kakashi did copy or not when he looked with both eyes. how do you know he did? what if kakashi just looked and him and nothing more? and are you kidding me when you ask if i watch naruto? don't ask such stupid questions.

So balance the two. Are you going to ignore chronological events/good story telling/obvious insinuations and go with "kakashi's 1337"? Gimme a break.
anyway, you said something clever here. "Are you going to ignore ... obvious insinuations ... ?"

aren't YOU doing this by assuming that a high skilled jounin like kakashi had to learn it from the genins, naruto and lee? think about this.

i'm not saying that kakashi knew it before or not. i'm just saying that what you are saying has no concrete evidence. just because something *looked* like it happened, that doesn't mean it did or didn't.

and this:
Range says "Kakashi knew about Gate/Buushin before, so therefore he must be able to perform it."
by that same logic
I'm saying "ok, so Kakashi knew about Mange before, so therefore he must be able to perform it."
I don't think fans would agree with this.
yeah, it would be something like that with that logic, but too bad it doesn't work since it's a known fact that only a uchiha can perform the mangekyou sharingan.

also this:
#1. The manga doesn't have this scene with Kakashi watching. (Kishimoto assumes manga readers will realize this)
ohhh...so kishimoto assumes that the manga reader will realize this... i see how it is. can you tell me how you know that kishimoto assumed this? if you're gonna say that "well, it's pretty obvious because of what we've seen so far" then don't bother replying back because that doesn't mean shit.

#2. The anime does show a scene WITH ONLY KAKASHI watching. No flash to any other onlookers.
tell me where it is CLEAR, CRYSTAL CLEAR, that kakashi is copying it with his sharingan. don't tell me that it's "obvious" cuz he is looking with both eyes cuz YOU don't know if he is copying it or not. only kishimoto knows.

everything i've quoted in my previous post is just your opinions or assumptions, nothing more. i'm not agreeing to anything about kakashi copying or not copying. i'm just saying, don't post things and say them as if they're facts when they're really not.

EDIT: i know what i say won't get through to you, so i'm just waiting for someone to come in on this.