Theory about Itachi's eyes

[Mut]

Originally posted by: BakaShinji
Correction. Before Lee he knew WHAT they were. not HOW to open them.
First gate gives way more than just a boost? Well why the fuck would Lee need to open five for just one simple Taijutsu move? What did the first gate do? Well here's a quote from episode 49.
"It unfastens the control of the brain, and enables a person to use his muscles at their limits."
Now how does this relate to Kakashi? It zoomed in on his fucking brain and made it all buzz up and shit - so he had the energy to over come his cliff with one fucking arm.
Where is the first gate according to "Gai" in episode 49. WOW IN THE FUCKING BRAIN!

this is just an assumption, you have no concrete evidence to back this up.

Second point. Ok, say what you're saying is right Kakashi knows all about Gates before Lee does it. Does that fucking mean he knows all about Mange when he explains it to Asuma and Kurenai what Mange might do if they look in his eyes? NO IT DOES NOT. Otherwise Kakashi knows Mange Sharingan as well as the Gates since "before those two were itches in their daddies pants".

this is also nothing but an assumption without anything to back it up with.

Yes I do. Episode 8 we see Naruto do his Kage Buushin at 18:45. It's a face off between him and Zabuza. Then, out of nowhere at 18:51 it shows a lone picture of Kakashi (only Kakashi, the anime didn't show any other character's shocked faces) with BOTH of his eyes wide open watching Naruto do this jutsu. Subtle hint for you idiots... HINT. Does the anime have to have a thought bubble "ok, this is enough time for kakashi to copy jutsu here" for you to understand?

this is an another assumption. why do you just assume that he copied it just because he looked at naruto with both of his eyes? Subtle hint for you, idiot... HINT. Ever think that kakashi was just in a battle and didn't bother covering up his eye? OH WOW, MAYBE THIS HAPPENED. MAYBE IT DIDN'T AND YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. anyway, how does this explain that he didn't know it before and he learned it from naruto? isn't it more feasible that a highly skilled ninja would know a jutsu like kage bunshin?

Ok one more shot on Range before I move on to Raijin's comment. Kakashi knew about buushin and gates before. But did he ever perform them? Chronological fact from the story is NO. Kakashi PERFORMS abilities AFTER he was exposed to them. You have no evidence to say that he could PERFORM them before. All you can say is that he "knew of them" prior.

so, what is your evidence to back up the statement "he learned it from lee and naruto?" just the fact that it happened in that chronological order doesn't prove anything. what you said is just an assumption.

so in conclusion, you have no concrete evidence to back up what you're saying and you are a fucking dumbass for acting like the smartass you tried to be.

[BakaShinji]

"this is just an assumption, you have no concrete evidence to back this up."
Ok ... presenting events that happen in the story is not evidence? Do you think I'm lying and making these events up? Do you even watch Naruto?

I'm presenting these events AS evidence.

"this is also nothing but an assumption without anything to back it up with."
This is not an assumption. I am drawing a parallel to the nub's line of evidence. I hope you recognized that.

Range says "Kakashi knew about Gate/Buushin before, so therefore he must be able to perform it."
by that same logic
I'm saying "ok, so Kakashi knew about Mange before, so therefore he must be able to perform it."
I don't think fans would agree with this.

"this is an another assumption. why do you just assume that he copied it just because he looked at naruto with both of his eyes? Subtle hint for you, idiot... HINT. Ever think that kakashi was just in a battle and didn't bother covering up his eye? OH WOW, MAYBE THIS HAPPENED. MAYBE IT DIDN'T AND YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE. anyway, how does this explain that he didn't know it before and he learned it from naruto? isn't it more feasible that a highly skilled ninja would know a jutsu like kage bunshin?"

#1. The manga doesn't have this scene with Kakashi watching. (Kishimoto assumes manga readers will realize this)
#2. The anime does show a scene WITH ONLY KAKASHI watching. No flash to any other onlookers.
In conclusion the producers fucking want the watchers to realize WOW - KAKASHI IS WATCHING, since 5 year olds need everything explained to them.


In the end Kakashi copying is something that I am drawing from these pieces of evidence.
I agree evidence is far from concrete, but it IS evidence - so don't brush it off as conjecture/assumption.

Evidence for your points on the otherhand, is merely... "Kakashi's 1337 so he must've known it all".

So balance the two. Are you going to ignore chronological events/good story telling/obvious insinuations and go with "kakashi's 1337"? Gimme a break.

[Mut]

*i didn't want to post in an IM convo way, but i have to, sorry*

Originally posted by: BakaShinji
Ok ... presenting events that happen in the story is not evidence? Do you think I'm lying and making these events up? Do you even watch Naruto?

you didn't even understand what i meant by concrete evidence. i'm asking how you can determine that (example here: ) if kakashi did copy or not when he looked with both eyes. how do you know he did? what if kakashi just looked and him and nothing more? and are you kidding me when you ask if i watch naruto? don't ask such stupid questions.

So balance the two. Are you going to ignore chronological events/good story telling/obvious insinuations and go with "kakashi's 1337"? Gimme a break.

anyway, you said something clever here. "Are you going to ignore ... obvious insinuations ... ?"

aren't YOU doing this by assuming that a high skilled jounin like kakashi had to learn it from the genins, naruto and lee? think about this.

i'm not saying that kakashi knew it before or not. i'm just saying that what you are saying has no concrete evidence. just because something *looked* like it happened, that doesn't mean it did or didn't.

and this:

Range says "Kakashi knew about Gate/Buushin before, so therefore he must be able to perform it."
by that same logic
I'm saying "ok, so Kakashi knew about Mange before, so therefore he must be able to perform it."
I don't think fans would agree with this.

yeah, it would be something like that with that logic, but too bad it doesn't work since it's a known fact that only a uchiha can perform the mangekyou sharingan.

also this:

#1. The manga doesn't have this scene with Kakashi watching. (Kishimoto assumes manga readers will realize this)

ohhh...so kishimoto assumes that the manga reader will realize this... i see how it is. can you tell me how you know that kishimoto assumed this? if you're gonna say that "well, it's pretty obvious because of what we've seen so far" then don't bother replying back because that doesn't mean shit.

#2. The anime does show a scene WITH ONLY KAKASHI watching. No flash to any other onlookers.

tell me where it is CLEAR, CRYSTAL CLEAR, that kakashi is copying it with his sharingan. don't tell me that it's "obvious" cuz he is looking with both eyes cuz YOU don't know if he is copying it or not. only kishimoto knows.

everything i've quoted in my previous post is just your opinions or assumptions, nothing more. i'm not agreeing to anything about kakashi copying or not copying. i'm just saying, don't post things and say them as if they're facts when they're really not.

EDIT: i know what i say won't get through to you, so i'm just waiting for someone to come in on this.

[Death BOO Z]

if we're talking about Kakashi's copying skills, i have a few cents' of my own.

I don't believe we've seen Kakashi copying anty jutsu yet

why?

lets go through all the copies he could have done.

KageBunshin: most elite ninjas know how to do this (Hokage, orochimaru, probably the two ANBU who're watching the fight), so it's safe to assume that Kakashi also knows it, he just looked at Naruto doing the Kage Bunshin and decided to scare the guys at the bridge with a normal Bunshin.

Gates: i don't believe it's copyable, but i won't be suprised if Kakashi can open one or two, and Gai can open three or four.

Water clone and other water jutsus: this one is tricky, it might seem that Kakashi copied the moves but i believe he knew them all along, the fact is that he used a water jutsu before Zabuza managed to do it (to make Zabuza believe Kakashi can read into the future and copy from there), so i believe that even saying that he copied the water clone was just part of his "dance". i'm also reinforced by the fact Kakashi recogniezed the exploding water clone before it went BOOM.

Mengekyou Sharingan: I don't think he's capeable of it, but it's entierly speculations..

That's my 2 cents, feel free to leave comments