Official Naruto 77 Discussion **SPOILERS**

[j00b]

Originally posted by: sangai sakusei
can someone please suggest the proper codec's liket the name and version.

I don't know the exact version information, but here is the site from which i got all of my codecs...if you go through the list and get everything in order, it works great.

Good flashbacks: They really help to give the story meaning...if it were just pointless fighting, I would have gotten bored after just a few episode.

I feel that Naruto has matured in this episode...he is willing to die to help his friends and to help people in general; he know what Gaara will do if he is allowed to go on fighting, so he realizes that this must be the end.

I am looking forward to the next episode as always...looks like the whiners are getting what they wanted since next episode looks like it will have almost all fighting and little (if any) time used for flashbacks, or anything else to develop the story (we all know how bad that is...i mean, who could withstand anime that isn't just mindless, pointless killing? Oh yeah...me and about half of the other people in this forum...those of us who aren't completely immature.)

[TheAwesomeChow]

maybe this has been brought up, didn't read the last 6 pages. I like new flashbacks because they bring something new to the story, whether it may be character or plot development. However, flashbacks that we have seen are easily confused with filler-time, and the most annoying thing is doing flashbacks from the previous episode, seems objectiveless to me. That is all.

Chibi Gaara still rocks, and sand-shurikens suck.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

cant wait till the next eps comes out i mean dam gamabunta is going to be in it its going to be so fukin kewl seing gamabunta kik gaaras ass

[ZerKai]

The reason they keep doing the oro/hokage scene is to develop the difference between Gaara and Naruto. Oro and gaara both are totally devoted to themselves. Hokage was outraged to learn that oro sac'ed his own men to summon 1st and 2nd (a good strategic choice, btw). This was to emphasize Hokage's value of the village over the self (a fairly common asiatic theme). This was also emphasized when he talked to the kids about protecting ones you love. Gai emphasized this to Rock by his restriction on the lotus move.

Hokage's last line before flashing to Naruto is in direct counter to Gaara's statements about how the strong only care for themselves and that's why they're strong. This has been made into a contest of ideaologies (sp?) and not just a simple fight. This couldn't be done with Naruto because he's not as wise/mature as Hokage and so can't really vocalize the belief.

The oro/hokage flash backs were necessary to develop this idealogical conflict which adds to the character depth and growth behind Naruto. This makes what he's doing much more than just a fight and also explains why he has to fight Gaara and can't talk to him. Gaara is focused on self, just as oro doesn't give a crap about others (and nothing hokage is saying is changing his mind, the reason hokage finally decided to bust out and really try to kill him), Gaara would not bother listening to Naruto. He doesn't care what Naruto says; he just wants to kill people so he can feel alive.

Now some belief systems may not want to accept that a person is beyond reformation, but I think that may be the case with Gaara and definetely is with Oro.

Anyway, flashback to oro/hokage are there because it develops the Naruto/Gaara conflict on a level those characters can't by themselves. The fight in Konoha would have some cool action, but would have nothing to do with Naruto's fight. Same with the other characters. Only Hokage has the wisdom to develop that conflict in words and remain true to character.

ZerKai

[Karasu]

Yeah kinda what Zerkai says, he actually bothered to explain it [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img].

Its story episode haters, something that builds up the things Naruto is about. Naruto says it himself Gaara is still living in the world Naruto was in before he met Iruka and the others, Naruto might have easily become kind of like Gaara if noone ever cared about him. It's the outcast with trl [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] vs the outcast that has nothing else than himself.

About Naruto winning it's almost painfully obvious [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] that he will cause he's the main.. But I can agree it might be good for Gaara to loose once and to think about it after and maby change his thinking and make him stronger. But Naruto wont have an easy task, or atleast I hope he wont. I will become pretty damn upset if Naruto does 2 or 3 Bunshin attacks and that ends Gaara, I kinda figure it will take some more than that, and the prewview has Bunta or the other bigass frog in it. I just hope if Gaara goes he goes away with style, he has to, he has gotten alot of story developing and there has been so much mystery arround him. I think author(s) likes Gaara [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img].

[TheAwesomeChow]

orochimaru vs hokage are not flashbacks, those are just scenes of what's going on. I'm talking about for example, episode 76 doing a flashback of something that happens in 75, it's only an example.