WHY IS LEE ON PAR WITH Kimmimaro??

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
I would like to point out that if Shizune will suddenly come out and save the dying genins, it would also be stupid...

When she saw the two wounded\half dead ninjas from her team, she said that they should bring them to the hospital right away, right? then why the hell would she leave them to go look for others? espically when she doesn't know about the genin team yet, half of her team is near death, and the healthy half is low on chackra, tired from the mission, and is needed to protect and escort the two wounded ones...

there's no reasonable explenation for her to do anything BUT take care of her team, and there's no way that she'll find the genins on her way back, since the genins started to fight after the Sound four kicked those jounins asses...

and seeing how the leaf village is at least a few hours away from them, i don't think that the dying genins would be able to live long enough for another medical team to arrive from the village, so I think it's pretty obvious that at least Chouji is done for, and perhaps also Neji (though i hope not), and by the closeup on Kiba's water drops, i guess that Sakon is after him to finish the job of killing Dogboy...

I don't think that it would be stupid. She has two wounded ninjas. She will want to get them home fast, and I mean fast for medical attention. Upon arriving Shizune briefs Tsunade about the situation.

1. Tsunade wants to see who could have done this to her jounins, so she sends Shizune back with available anbus. Shizune knows the location, where they were ambushed. Who else would be better to send? Shizune and the squad track the trail to Chouji, then Neji, and then finds the others.

2. Tsunade knows that the (Shika's group) was in that area. She immediately dispatches Shizune and available jounins to head back to look for either the (Shika's) group or the possible culprits.

[Raven]

Everyone seems to be making a big deal of the waterdrop closeup... I don't believe it had any relevance, I think it was just an artistic viewpoint. How exactly is it supposed to suggest anything about Sakon?

[Death BOO Z]

Sakon will follow him (I don't think he's done for yet, all he got was pee in the eyes) down the river, and will see that the ground is 'wet' and go after him, and finish him for good...



one last thing, Tsunde said in 210 that they can't dispatch another team right now, so i think a few genins are really gonna die! yoo hoo!

[Raven]

Yeah, I hadn't thought of that TBH. Sakon's gotta be defeated somehow, I wonder who will do it. Maybe Sasuke will run into him on the way or something and want to test his new abilities.

[JTD121]

How would Sasuke find Kiba and Sakon? They went off on a tangent from Shika and Tayuya, so they are probably somewhere relatively nearby, while Sasuke, Naruto, Lee, and Kimimaro are pretty far from Shika/Tayuya. I don't see how Sasuke might run into Kiba or Sakon.

There's a question, where exactly is Sasuke heading? Just away from Naruto and the others? Or to Orochimaru? How does he know where Oro is?

mainva | aptigo | JTD out

[Raven]

I was just wondering about Sasuke, it was just a random thought. Someone's gotta beat Sakon, and I highly doubt it'll be Kiba. You're right though, they fell down a ravine.

[Death BOO Z]

actually, i wrote that it might turn out like that a few weeks ago, with Sasuke killing the last sound four to check out his power..

it's quite possible that Sakon will be the one to die, since Sasuke still owes him about thier last match, and we all know that Sasuke loves to hold grudges to other people...

[Raven]

It would be good, but JTD121 made a good point in saying that Sasuke and Kiba/Sakon are in a totally different place, Kiba/Sakon fell down a ravine, it would be too hard for Sasuke to just "run into them".

[Death BOO Z]

let's say that these two reasonable things will happen:
A. Sasuke gets to orochimaru (following his natrual sense of direction when it concerns getting into trouble).
B. Sakon kills Kiba and goes to rendevous with the rest of his team in Oro's Headquraters.

now, since the rest of the sound four are dead (besides Tayuya, but we don't know yet) and Oro has Sasuke, Sakon is pretty useless for him, right?

and Oro doesn't keep useless stuff around, so he'll probably use sakon to check Sasuke's new power, just like he did with the sound trio, to check the lvl 1 seal...

[MightyDustLoop]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
let's say that these two reasonable things will happen:
A. Sasuke gets to orochimaru (following his natrual sense of direction when it concerns getting into trouble).
B. Sakon kills Kiba and goes to rendevous with the rest of his team in Oro's Headquraters.

now, since the rest of the sound four are dead (besides Tayuya, but we don't know yet) and Oro has Sasuke, Sakon is pretty useless for him, right?

and Oro doesn't keep useless stuff around, so he'll probably use sakon to check Sasuke's new power, just like he did with the sound trio, to check the lvl 1 seal...

Good theory. However, I doubt the creator will kill off Kiba, though he really should reduce the char count a few for the continuially expanding line-up.

Easy solution.

Sakon corners Kiba but hasn't found his exact location yet. Sakon senses Sasuka heading toward Orochi. Guess what? His mission to keep others advancing is over. He's done and takes off back to Orochi's.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: MightyDustLoop

Good theory. However, I doubt the creator will kill off Kiba, though he really should reduce the char count a few for the continuially expanding line-up.

Yep. That ain't gonna happen.
Genma and Raido, who aren't main characters, didn't get killed.
Boo may want Kiba dead, as much I want Sasuke and Sakura following the same path to the land from where no traveller has return.
But there's not even a ghost of a chance that it will happen.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
The biggest one for me is how the hell can Oro say that Itachi is stronger than himself. When everything that we've seen would say otherwise. I know that the plot is to have Sasuke kill off Itachi and in order to avoid the question, "Why doesn't Oro just take Itachi's body, he is far better than Sasuke?" The writers put in a qoute "he is stronger than myself." That's Kishimoto shitting on readers. He could have came up with some other excuse, because when compared, Oro is way stronger than Itachi.

this is pretty funny. it clearly says that orochimaru is weaker than itachi and you're forcing yourself to believe that he isn't. do you really need kishimoto to explain EVERYTHING? let me just say some random answer to "why doesn't oro just take itachi's body?" MAYBE itachi was so strong to begin with that orochimaru had no chance at all. I DON'T KNOW. somethings you gotta fill it in yourself. itachi is stronger than orochimaru. this is one of the most concrete evidence we have when you compare orochimaru vs itachi.

Or what about the existence of Hunter Nins. Why didn't Konoha send out Hunter Nins for Sasuke? Why did Kishimoto even explain the purpose of Hunter Nins, if he wasn't going to use them. That's Kishimoto shitting on readers.

then what the hell would naruto and his gang be doing? sitting around training while they go rescue him? no. it is more convenient to have those genins go after sasuke so the story doesn't become dull and boring.

FYI, Mutato
Either the genins suck or they're powerful. You can't have it both ways. If they are indeed powerful as you have suggested in your post, and Lee is a genin, then according to your own statement; Lee is a match (on par) with Kimimaro.

i can have it in 30 ways if i want. they are obviously as strong as i suggested. they 'tied' with the sound 4 who are pretty decent ninjas themselves. and so is lee but that doesn't mean that he should be on par with kimimaro (i have no idea how you came up with this). kimimaro is on a whole another level compared to the sound 4.

and it's Mut@t@ or dazzz. at least spell my name right =/

EDIT: just in case you ask how i came up with kimimaro being on a whole another level compared to the sound 4, well, it was easy...kidoumaru said kimimaro has almost killed him before and more importantly, someone like tayuya wouldn't let people get away with a death threat as kimimaro did.

[Death BOO Z]

No chance in hell, Sakon is said to be the one with the wrost temper that won't give up until he kills his enemy, and that he's the strongest of the sound four (excluding Kimimaru, of course).

combine that with the fact that Kiba and Akamaru PISSED on him, and you'll get one revengfull basterd...

Kiba is the perfect guy to die now, next to choji. he has done nothing meaningfull, he isn't intersting, people can like him but not enough to get attached. Like chouji and Dosu, he'll have more effect on the storyline dead rather than alive..

my perfect scenrio would go like this:
Sakon jumps into the water to consil his smell from kiba, and he uses Ukon's eye as a perriscope to look around, then they get to Kiba, and ukon takes over Akamaru's body, leaving Kiba unable to react against him, and that's when Sakon charges at Kiba, and kills him like the useless shit he is...
after that, Sakon takes pity on Akamaru and adopts him, and then he goes back to orochimaru. when he gets there, Akamaru starts to cry, since he feels how powerfull and evil Sasuke is now. Sakons tries to ask where's the rest of his team, but orochimaru says that they are no longer useful to him, and orders sasuke to kill Sakon. a page after that we see Sasuke lvl2 standing atop of Sakon's body, luaghing and bragging about his new power and strengh, and swears that like he paid Sakon back for beating him earlier, he's going to kill Itachi for the humilation he gave him. (note: he won't refear to his oath to rebuild the clan or to the fact that he's killing itachi for revenge of the clan, it'll be perssonal now, to show that sasuke is on the bad side now).

anyway, that's how i'd like to see it, Kiba can rot in hell, but Akamaru should live on..

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: Death BOO Z
No chance in hell, Sakon is said to be the one with the wrost temper that won't give up until he kills his earlier, he's going to kill Itachi for the humilation he gave him. (note: he won't refear to his oath to rebuild the clan or to the fact that he's killing itachi for revenge of the clan, it'll be perssonal now, to show that sasuke is on the bad side now).

anyway, that's how i'd like to see it, Kiba can rot in hell, but Akamaru should live on..

Now, if Oro who is who he is, thinks Itachi is stronger than him, could you explain to me how Sasuke on level 2 will kill Itachi?

[Death BOO Z]

first thing, that quote is totally out of sentence, i hope it's just an accident...

secondly, Sasuke isn't very big on reason himself, he thought that he could take out a jounin by himself (kakashi) when he was barely a genin, and he believed that even though he couldn't beat gaara, he could take on Itachi...

i don't see any reason for Sasuke to change his mind now, if he could, Sasuke would have gone after itachi even a day after itachi killed the entire clan, Sasuke isn't chasing Itachi to kill him, he's trying to make up for the fact he didn't fight when Itachi killed everybody, he's after that more than he's after the 'true' revenge... Sasuke is fighting itachi for the sake of fighting, not for the sake of killing him.

try comparing him to Kurapica from HxH, they are both very similiar (both have red eyes!), yet, Kurapica's revenge is planned and calculated, becuase he wants to defeat them.

Orochimaru won't let Sasuke fight Itachi anytime soon, he already lost one perfect body, and now he's stuck with a lowsy runner up (the gaara-lookalike). Orochimaru will try to take over sasuke's body the first chance he'll get, until then, he won't let anything hurt Sasuke...


EDIT: well, it's five AM here, and as much as i like staying up late and as much as it improves my mental skills (me= night bird) i also need my sleep,so cya tommorow, same time, same place, same chapter...

[hiten mitsurugi]

Dude, I think you meant to say that Itachi is stronger than Oro, not Itachi is stronger than Itachi.

There's a difference between forcing yourself to believe something and going out on a limb to believe the words "he is stronger than myself." Especially when Kishimoto doesn't back that up with any sequence of events.

Hmmmm.....maybe the use of hunter nins (especially since everyone claims how precious the last Uchiha is to the village) will allow us to move on to the development of Akatsuki. Then Sasuke escapes and trains with Oro, blah, blah, blah. The only thing that these episodes achieve is to show us the powers of the level 2 seal, which is either powerful or not. I can't tell by your contradictions.

Your explanation of kimi being on another level because of threats and almost death just means that Kimimaro is slightly better then the other four, remember the other four were'nt all that strong to begin with. He needs to be on a different level for Rock Lee, this will be his best match up since the Gara fight.

On a lighter note, I don't think that Kiba will end up finishing Sakon. Kiba is without Akamaru, he has lost a lot of blood, and he is low on chakra. I think Kiba will be saved by someone.

[Neji-Aniki-sama]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Dude, I think you meant to say that Itachi is stronger than Oro, not Itachi is stronger than Itachi.

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Let's try again, see if you understand now, dude.
Now, Orochimaru, who is who he (Orichimaru) is, thinks that Itachi is stronger than him (Orochimaru),[...]
The English language alows the use of pronouns instead of somebody's name, for example.

[Mut]

what contradictions? and what do you mean either the level 2 seal is powerful or not? of course it's powerful...

how can you believe that kimimaro is only slightly better than the sound's 4? you think with tayuya's attitude and ego, she'd just say nothing when someone threatens her life when that person is only 'slightly' better than she is? hell no! tayuya keeping her mouth shut was to show that kimimaro has the sound's 4 on a leash. he can smash them without much trouble. and i know she'd talk back to kimimaro if he was only 'slightly' stronger than she is because she talks back to sakon who is said to be the strongest of the sound's 4.

[Jhoffer]

Lee can only use taijutsu. So, wouldn't it make sense that he has studied many different styles? Instead of just passively knowing the drunken fist?

I doubt that hunter-nins would be sent out after a day or two.

[I<3TenTen]

Lee will beat kimi imo
5 of the 8 gates have been opened
i highly doubt gai will be the one later on
to open the 8 gates like that.
Lee will open the 8th gate later on
and kill some other big bad ass Arc 9 ninja
he will not lose to kimi now lol ..
We know so far that Lee potentially has the power
to surpass a hokage for a short amount of time before
he dies ..
Now its a garunteed that lee will unlock the 8th gate
against someone .. and your telling me that kimmi is
close to a hokage in power?

I honestly don't know why people are swallowing the members
of a character created just to be torn down by lee. Kimmi
does have a purpose .. thats to get his bones shattered by the
iron fist style and since he is all bones ... i don't know why
people are still argueing this. Kimmi's powers were created as
"Bones" for a reason, for the perfect comeback/return for lee
Come on now folks its called foreshadowing ..