Lee has to be completely destroyed by Kimmo, or it wouldn't make any sense.
Kimmo is suppose to be stronger than Kabuto, and just below the legendary 3 and the kages.
How does it make sense that Lee can beat someone who is slightly above the level of Kakashi?
I can see Naruto beating Kimmo, if he pulls out that giant toad and goes berserk, but only Naruto.
whoever said that kimimaro is right below the legendary 3 in strength? kimimaro's strength probably dont exceed the strength of a jounin. just because he is orochimaru's first choice body doesnt mean that he is ultra powerful and remember that he moves just by willpower. he isnt that great.
hmm... but Rock Lee is super fast and he does have his two Lotus attacks and the ability to open up to five gates... even though is isn't as super crazy as Naruto is when he gets pissed off, he does have his own determination, and I think he will be able to take out Kimimaro (sp?).. I can't wait to see Naruto vs. Sasuke in Curse Level 2.. Sasuke doesn't seem that good though, except for his sharingan and his fire element attacks..
In the manga, the covers sometimes show Sasuke with a snake and Sakura with slugs.. does that mean that Sasuke and Sakura will be able to summon later on? Can't wait for that.. even though I dont see the use of slugs (except for that poison attack the 5th used against the Manda)..
First of all, the translation isn't even out yet!! Wait until it's translated, I'm sure there will be at least some explanation as to Lee's appearance there!
Secondly, there's no evidence that Lee is "on par" with Kimimaro at all; the fight has barely begun and Kimimaro was startled by Lee's appearance, enough to lower his defence level. Wait a few more rounds and then discuss this.
i agree, wait fro the translation then hop to conclusions. but i cant wait till they actually fight. it'll be interesting to say the least. and as for teh slug and snake pics...... i think that naryto and gang will be the next " legendary 3" from the leaf. i really dont see how sakura is going to get any better though. maybe the 5th will teach her medical jutsus...........Originally posted by: lasaire
First of all, the translation isn't even out yet!! Wait until it's translated, I'm sure there will be at least some explanation as to Lee's appearance there!
Secondly, there's no evidence that Lee is "on par" with Kimimaro at all; the fight has barely begun and Kimimaro was startled by Lee's appearance, enough to lower his defence level. Wait a few more rounds and then discuss this.
as for kimi's strength lvl..... well he really hasnt showed his true power yet. all he did so far was remove a bone and turn it into a sword(freaky), and do some funky swordplay and destroy lotsa clones. maybe he'll pull some gaara type transformation outta his butt. who knows. i think lee is stronger physically though. that doesnt mean he'll win, just that he's stronger and quite possibly faster. kimi has the seal to fall on if stuff gets outta hand though. however i kinda equate opening gates as the same as using cursed seal. so whatever. im tired and typing incoherently. take my opinions for what they're worth(most likely not a pimple on anyone's......you know). however i would like to see replies to my thoughts. not nastygrams though. just differing views or if you agree show support of my theories.
thats true it didnt say he was stronger then kabuto just on par with sasuke when he gets his seal to lvl 2. this generations of leafs genins seem to be dishing out highly skilled ninjas. all the top gennins are power hungry. they all started out having just one rivial to now it seems like they are all rivials in away as each one wants to be the strongest. and since naruto went from the weakest to the strongest they all been trying to keep up. kiba was just the unlucky one out of the group. if it was shino i would think he would of had a better chance of winning
What? where does it say this??Originally posted by: CapsuleCorpJX
Kimmo is suppose to be stronger than Kabuto, and just below the legendary 3 and the kages.
Again where does it say this??? Kimimaro above Kakashi! don't make me laugh [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]Originally posted by: CapsuleCorpJX
How does it make sense that Lee can beat someone who is slightly above the level of Kakashi?
Lol i wonder if he's reading the same manga.
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Your info seems to be wrong. I don't think it says anywhere that Kimi was even stronger than Kabuto. He's probably under Kabuto and stronger than the Sound 4 group. And many people think of Rock Lee as a tribute to Bruce Lee (who became stronger after an injury that people said would stop him), so maybe that's what happened with Lee.
i think CapsuleCorp just signed up so he can question the abilities of all the characters in the naruto series
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kimi being stronger than kakashi (ha). Also, where did you read this. he's not even as strong as kabuto. he just happens to be above the sound 4. Though i have to say we don't even know for sure how strong he really is. maybe you should go back and reread the mangas.
You also have to remember that this is from the same guy that made dbz(right?). In that just about every character got lots stronger after recovering from an injury.
What kind of crack are YOU smoking?????You also have to remember that this is from the same guy that made dbz(right?). In that just about every character got lots stronger after recovering from an injury
DBZ is by Akira Toriyama, and Naruto is by Masashi Kishimoto. The ONLY relation between the two is that Kishimoto is of the generation of those who watched DBZ when they were younger children. He lists it among his influences and likes, nothing more.
Please, check your info and come back later.
Druken fist + limit gates = one unstoppable druken Lee =)
He's on par, because fans like Lee more than Kimi.
Anyways. Who said he was on par with Kimi? We haven't even seen Kimi's true power. Keep in mind, that just because you're stronger, doesn't mean you always win.
yeah we really don't know how the fight is going to end, but to have Lee come back just to have his ass beat again seems sort of like a waste of time. Maybe the drunken boxing allows Lee to push his gates farther.
I whole-heartedly agree! I actually laughed out loud when I read that part about Lee using the Drunken Fist.Originally posted by: AznPerson
Druken fist + limit gates = one unstoppable druken Lee =)
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if he goes back to the chptr when kabuto is talking with kimi he will see that kimi is compared to sasuke. and kabuto wonders who is stronger of the two. now that i think about it if sasuke with his seal able to go to lvl 2 is on par with kimi. then the 4 sound were totally given to much credit at first. that or since the chuunin exam our gennin skill and strength are on terms with the chuunins of the villege. i think the leaf will have a few more sages when they get older
Alright, first post, but here's a few rebuttals.
On Kimi being stronger than Kabuto:
A) The manga compared Kimimaro to *SASUKE* in seal strength only. It's obvious however that Kimimaro is a frightening character, if he's already half dead and killing hundreds of Kyuubi Naruto clones.
B) Kimi was not compared to Kabuto. What was mentioned was that Kimimaro was Orochimaru's first choice, and that Sasuke was his fallback. This does lead you to wonder if Kimimaro has something more up his sleeve, since obviously the Sharingan would be much more helpful in Orochimaru's goal of learning all the Jutsu in the world.
On 'stronger than Kabuto' equalling 'stronger than Kakashi'.
A) Kabuto is not as strong a character as Kakashi. Orochimaru stated that he was only 'about' Kakashi level. It's important to note that Orochimaru is not omniscient, and that, like EVERYONE ELSE IN THE MANGA, he underestimates Kakashi. When Kakashi started the Chidori, Orochimaru was surprised. He was also surprised that Kakashi could perform seals, so Orochimaru is hardly the authoritative expert on Kakashi's strength level.
B) Kakashi obviously learned how to open the gates from his observation of the Rock Lee fight. (Unless you can possibly conceive of a reason why he would reveal his sharingan when he realized that Rock Lee could open 5 gates, and an equally believable explanation for Kakashi's opening a gate while rock climbing.)
C) Kabuto being compared to Kakashi is a COMPLIMENT. More than likely, from what we have seen, it is not that Kabuto could necessarily fight evenly with Kakashi, but rather that Kabuto likely possesses the same 'Jounin factor' that Kakashi, Gai, and a few other spiffy people in the series have. (Also known as the 'I'm cooler than you are. Period.' factor) If forced to hazard a guess, I would say that Kabuto's strength lies in a huge amount of flexibility in terms of what he can do, sort of like a really awesome generalist. At least, that's what we've seen evidence of so far.
On Naruto vs. Sasuke (or Kimimaro for that matter):
Naruto and Sasuke (or Kimimaro) is a bad match up. One will always be FAR stronger than the other, because of the COMPLETELY methods in fighting. There will never be an even fight. Even when Naruto and Sasuke fought on the rooftop in Konoha, when they were debatably the closest to each other overall, Naruto would've been the obvious victor with the Rasengan. However, considering that Sasuke didn't use the curse seal at all in that little testosterone induced battle, and that level 2 is just THAT FAR beyond level 1, it is likely that Sasuke (who is incidentally VERY UGLY IN CURSE SEAL 2... that might not go over well with the fan girls..) will soundly defeat Naruto and take himself to train under Orochimaru. After all, it has been established both that a) Sasuke is a prick, and b) Sasuke, Sakura, and Naruto have REMARKABLE parrallels with Orochimaru, Tsunade, and Jiraiya. Therefore, it is likely that Sasuke will train under Orochimaru, if for no under reason than to be able to summon snakes. Kimimaro has a similar bad match up against Naruto. Naruto is about Creativity, Sasuke and Kimi are mainly about skill. Lots of it.
On Rock Lee in general:
A) It is more than likely that this drunken boxing style, however intimidating Gai makes it sound, will merely force Kimimaro into the first curse seal state, if the previous patterns are any indication.
B) According to the Naruto PS2 game (which accurately predicted Shikamaru's new technique, and Neji's Ougi [that hasn't been shown, but was mentioned once.]) Rock Lee *APPARENTLY* will be able to use the gates with greater flexibility than he did against Gaara. Whether this is due to the effects of alcohol or not is unclear, but the ps2 game predicts Rock Lee creating a new move (The Shin Ura Renge, or for you english speakers, the Improved Extreme Lotus) that is the equivalent of 40 of his ultimate move (Again, the extreme lotus) in the span of approximately one second. Obviously, if this comes to pass, Kimimaro is screwed beyond words. However, it's important to note that the Naruto PS2 game has also predicted Naruto accidentally summoning THE FOURTH HOKAGE, so the trustworthiness of that game is a bit on the iffy side.
Summary:
Rock Lee is one of the most popular characters among an UNBELIEVABLY huge percentage of Kishimoto's target audience, and with good reason. He is both the comic relief AND the can of whupass rolled into one. It is more than likely that Rock Lee will defeat Kimimaro by my way of thinking, but if there is anything Kishimoto is good at, it's surprising the readers. Even if I *did* see Rock Lee's entrance coming. Obviously, the drunken fist style in this chapter was an example of such unexpected things (although it's very fitting for the character). At least with Rock Lee in the picture, things will cease to be overly dark and serious and grim as they have been the past volume or so. With Neji, Chouji, and Kiba all half dead, and Orochimaru inhabiting what could debatably be the body of Tsunade's younger brother, it looks like this arc is going to be keeping us on the edge of our seats for some time.
Um, which PS2 game are you playing? Yeah, it did take some liberties with jutsus (i.e. Sakura's tree genjutsu, which is shown when the three Jounin are up against Itachi), but it was designed around the manga up to a certain point, which the anime has now caught up to. Unless I am extraordinarily mistaken as well as cursed with a horrible memory, Naruto's 3rd-level jutsu is calling up Gamabunta, not the Fourth.Originally posted by: Kalean
B) According to the Naruto PS2 game (which accurately predicted Shikamaru's new technique, and Neji's Ougi [that hasn't been shown, but was mentioned once.]) Rock Lee *APPARENTLY* will be able to use the gates with greater flexibility than he did against Gaara. Whether this is due to the effects of alcohol or not is unclear, but the ps2 game predicts Rock Lee creating a new move (The Shin Ura Renge, or for you english speakers, the Improved Extreme Lotus) that is the equivalent of 40 of his ultimate move (Again, the extreme lotus) in the span of approximately one second. Obviously, if this comes to pass, Kimimaro is screwed beyond words. However, it's important to note that the Naruto PS2 game has also predicted Naruto accidentally summoning THE FOURTH HOKAGE, so the trustworthiness of that game is a bit on the iffy side.
Off-topic PS2 nitpicking aside, what makes you say with any authority that Sasuke is ugly in 2nd-level seal? Yeah, I agree it's probably going to be along the lines of the rest of them, but you make it sound like you know something we don't. Mayhap you could enlighten us, tell us where you got that from?
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