No...They said they only left him with no one looking, the 2nd day after the operation!
That means it IS the 2nd day he's ok...
He couldn't train before.
No...They said they only left him with no one looking, the 2nd day after the operation!
That means it IS the 2nd day he's ok...
He couldn't train before.
But does Sexy no jutsu or Harem no justsu?Anyway, in essence, drunken boxing doesn't appeal to me. Though it provides some comic relief, it is frankly unbelievable, and seems to discredit the idea of martial arts as a skilled practice.
honestly, this series was lacking fun through out this whole entire arc and its not really Naruto with out the fun / funny stuff. I think the Drunken Boxing idea is good, the fact Rock Lee showed up from no where is not
For all those idiots who think Kimimaro is some kind of godly warrior just because he's Orochimaru's first choice, and think that Sasuke is really strong, THEY AREN'T. They are definately not jounin level, and neither are the Sound 4. All of you people who think the sound 4 are really strong just because they beat 2 jounins that were low on chakra with a level 2 seal, they got lucky that the jounins were at a weak state. The sound 4 are at Chuunin level at most, and might be near jounin with level 2 seals, but are not anymore then that. Kimimaro isn't godly, Sasuke isn't some super genius, he's just from a genius clan. Rock Lee does have chances against Kimimaro... and to remind you people again, Rock Paper Scissors!
also keep in mind that the only reason why kimimaru is able to move about is because of his strong will to resist the conditions his body had recieved......you can only go so far on will alone though
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i don't think naruto was using hte kybui's power when he was fighting kimi.
ok, he leveled a tavern. nothing a regular ninja can't do.Originally posted by: Arctyc
He leveled a farkin' tavern! He knocked Gai out! That's nasty. He got the drop on Gai. I'll say it again. When in drunk mode, Rock Lee beat Gai.
he knocked out gai. wow, that says a lot. gai is retarded. he is an awesome ninja but he is also an idiot. i bet you gai was like "OMFG LEE PLZ BE CAREFUL DON'T DO ANYTHING TOO CRAZY" chasing lee around trying to make sure he's safe WHILE gai was drinking and i'm sure when gai tried to stop lee, lee accidentally knocked gai in the head. some people make too much of big deal out of gai losing his consciousness. it could've happen from too much drinking or getting knocked out by lee. if you think lee knocked out gai because gai couldn't fight back then you must be crazy.
kimimaro is definitely not a godly warrior, but he is definitely someone that can whoop ass. if orochimaru picked sasuke for his sharingan ability and his potential (which is more than itachi, WHICH is insane) then you can pretty much assume that sasuke is going to be one hell of a ninja. now, with that being said, sasuke was orochimaru's second choice. which means kimimaro must have had the upper hand on sasuke before he became ill. kimimaro (without the illness) is suppose to be a greater ninja than sasuke who has potential to be greater than itachi. even though kimimaro is ill, that shouldn't make him useless or anything. kimimaro is still a powerful ninja. lee does have a chance to beat kimimaro, but both have disadvantages. first, we know that lee just came out of surgery. second, lee is drunk. he may become this berserk character when drunk, but that also has a negative effect. on to kimimaro. we know that he has an illness, but we haven't seen any signs of him feeling any pain or looking uncomfortable in any way. he just got done with finishing off 1000 kyubi naruto clones and had a little scirmish with lee. NONE of them landed a single hit. on to sasuke. there are no super genius clans, only people from the clan who are super geniuses. and if you consider itachi a genius, then sasuke has to be a bigger genius considering he has more potential than him, even though we haven't seen most of it yet. and what the hell is rock paper scissors.Originally posted by: Xceleration
For all those idiots who think Kimimaro is some kind of godly warrior just because he's Orochimaru's first choice, and think that Sasuke is really strong, THEY AREN'T. They are definately not jounin level, and neither are the Sound 4. All of you people who think the sound 4 are really strong just because they beat 2 jounins that were low on chakra with a level 2 seal, they got lucky that the jounins were at a weak state. The sound 4 are at Chuunin level at most, and might be near jounin with level 2 seals, but are not anymore then that. Kimimaro isn't godly, Sasuke isn't some super genius, he's just from a genius clan. Rock Lee does have chances against Kimimaro... and to remind you people again, Rock Paper Scissors!
what? did you not see how narut's pupils changed, his fangs grew, and his finger nails became claws? which happened when he fought haku?Originally posted by: kaigan
i don't think naruto was using hte kybui's power when he was fighting kimi.
O_o I don't know how anyone could miss that.... did you even read it?Originally posted by: Mut@t@
what? did you not see how narut's pupils changed, his fangs grew, and his finger nails became claws? which happened when he fought haku?Originally posted by: kaigan
i don't think naruto was using hte kybui's power when he was fighting kimi.
BTW, Kim might have been feeling pain or discomfort, he may just be putting on a brave face. He could collapse any second but never show it.
You know how these badasses are, they try to never show weakness.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
If you can only go so far on will, Naruto would've been dead along time ago....Originally posted by: AssertnFailure
also keep in mind that the only reason why kimimaru is able to move about is because of his strong will to resist the conditions his body had recieved......you can only go so far on will alone though
Sasuke does not have greater potential than Itachi. He is Orochimaru's draft pick because there is no way for him to ever get Itachi. End statement.
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but then why would orochimaru say that sasuke has more potential than itachi? i know you had to have read that.
Orochimaru wants Sasuke to believe that he (sasuke) can defeat Itachi if he goes with him (orochimaru), so making Sasuke believe that he has untapped potential and that the leaf is slowing him down, will cause Sasuke to join the sound for more power, and then Orochimaru would be able to take over his body...
Orochimaru has a shitload of reasons to lie to Sasuke...
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Right. I dislike Sasuke, but I won't knock his skills. With his Sharingan, Sasuke's potential is almost limitless, but it is not to exceed's his elder brother's.
Everything Orochimaru has stated to the young Uchiha is simply additive comments in coercing the impressionable child. The hunger for power in Sasuke is evident to almost everyone, so to ease the boy into siding with him [Orochimaru], the Sannin must feed into that by whatever means necessary. The supporting comments, the seal, etc. It is all the necessary steps to take for Orochimaru to acquire Sasuke easier.
It is much simpler to have him [Sasuke] go to Orochimaru, rather than fight off Konoha for him, no?
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Why is Lee on par with Kimmimaro?
First, you have to ask yourself who you would consider to be on par with Kimimaro.
Lets say you said, "Sasuke could beat Kimimaro." Well, here are the reasons why Rock Lee would be on Par with Kimimaro.
Rock Lee beat the crap out of Sasuke (when they met each other).
Rock Lee is faster than all genins, all chunnins, and some jounins.
Lee's taijutsu and speed makes a deadly combination.
Lets say you said, "Naruto could beat Kimimaro." Here are some reasons why Rock Lee would be on Par with Kimimaro.
Rock Lee KO'd Naruto the first time they met.
Rock Lee is 10000000000 times better at taijutsu then Naruto.
Rock Lee is faster then Naruto. (I believe that Kyubi-Naruto is faster than Lee without weights, in fact I don't believe that anyone is faster than Kyubi-Naruto. I'll just have to wait and see.)
Yes, there are some opponents that don't pair up well against Rock Lee. For example, Neji, Gaara, and Naruto. Neji is a close combat person. Lee is also a close combat person. Lee will lose in this battle because the gentle style fist can overcome Lee's iron fist style. Gaara, is a bad match for Lee simply because his defense and ability to attack from a distance. His attacks keep Rock Lee at bay and that makes Rock Lee unable to attack. Naruto is just too powerful now for Rock Lee, and especially in Kyubi mode.
However, Kimimaro doesn't make that list of bad match ups for Rock Lee. Kimimaro also seems like a close combat person. He hasn't shown us any jutsus (genjutsu or ninjutsu) besides his physical dance attacks. This means that Rock Lee isn't at a disadvantage. Both are close quarter combat types, both rely on speed, stamina, power. Kimimaro may have the power, but with ailing health, Rock Lee will be at an advantage with speed and stamina.
Anyways, Rock Lee is on Par with Kimimaro!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You forgot to mention Rock Lee is sloshed, and as ridiculous as that is, it would make sense that even he has a natural ability. It would make sense why it was never used before if it's uncontrollable and why it's not something you'd think about resorting to.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Why is Lee on par with Kimmimaro?
First, you have to ask yourself who you would consider to be on par with Kimimaro.
Lets say you said, "Sasuke could beat Kimimaro." Well, here are the reasons why Rock Lee would be on Par with Kimimaro.
Rock Lee beat the crap out of Sasuke (when they met each other).
Rock Lee is faster than all genins, all chunnins, and some jounins.
Lee's taijutsu and speed makes a deadly combination.
Lets say you said, "Naruto could beat Kimimaro." Here are some reasons why Rock Lee would be on Par with Kimimaro.
Rock Lee KO'd Naruto the first time they met.
Rock Lee is 10000000000 times better at taijutsu then Naruto.
Rock Lee is faster then Naruto. (I believe that Kyubi-Naruto is faster than Lee without weights, in fact I don't believe that anyone is faster than Kyubi-Naruto. I'll just have to wait and see.)
Yes, there are some opponents that don't pair up well against Rock Lee. For example, Neji, Gaara, and Naruto. Neji is a close combat person. Lee is also a close combat person. Lee will lose in this battle because the gentle style fist can overcome Lee's iron fist style. Gaara, is a bad match for Lee simply because his defense and ability to attack from a distance. His attacks keep Rock Lee at bay and that makes Rock Lee unable to attack. Naruto is just too powerful now for Rock Lee, and especially in Kyubi mode.
However, Kimimaro doesn't make that list of bad match ups for Rock Lee. Kimimaro also seems like a close combat person. He hasn't shown us any jutsus (genjutsu or ninjutsu) besides his physical dance attacks. This means that Rock Lee isn't at a disadvantage. Both are close quarter combat types, both rely on speed, stamina, power. Kimimaro may have the power, but with ailing health, Rock Lee will be at an advantage with speed and stamina.
Anyways, Rock Lee is on Par with Kimimaro!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a little on the "ridiculous" side, but I think in the long run something like that makes more sense than say, a demon fox in my stomach or an eye that copies all movement in form and chakra.
how can anyone say that sasuke won't be a better ninja than his brother? who the hell is gonna beat itachi then?
i'll be waiting for some ass clown to say "naruto" or something else that's equally stupid.
and why are people still bringing up the fact that rock lee beat up naruto and sasuke before they were actually good ninjas? it was freaking clear that sasuke and naruto had no chances against ninjas like lee and neji, but now they have surpassed both of them. forget about what happened between lee and sasuke, it's totally irrelevant now, sasuke is a completely different character while lee remained the same (maybe gotten worse cuz he's still recovering). i really hope kishimoto doesn't make rock lee be on par with kimimaro. it would be just stupid for a person who just came out of surgery and is also drunk to beat up someone who is hyped as kimimaro is. then again, it would also be stupid for rock lee to show up all of the sudden and then get beat too. THEN again, it would be also stupid if they're fight didn't have a proper finish...if they tie, it'd be stupid.
EDIT: i wrote the word 'stupid' too many times. how stupid.
I couldn't agree more. People keep bringing this up but it was so long ago. I don't want to make comparisons to DBZ but it's like saying "Radditz beat Goku so easily, so how could Goku have a chance against Cell?" Characters progress, but in this case Lee hasn't progressed as he's been out of it due to injury. Sasuke and Naruto have both gotten a hell of a lot stronger since their battle with Lee all that time ago.Originally posted by: Mut@t@
it was freaking clear that sasuke and naruto had no chances against ninjas like lee and neji, but now they have surpassed both of them. forget about what happened between lee and sasuke, it's totally irrelevant now, sasuke is a completely different character while lee remained the same (maybe gotten worse cuz he's still recovering).
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
yeah, it's like saying Naruto was always better than Sasuke because he beat him in the beginning episodes where he tied him by tricking him with the shadow clone technique. In reality, throughout the early episodes Sasuke could've killed Naruto, we just needed time for stuff to progress.
|SPOILERS FOR 211 INCLUDED|
Ok, let's just cover this subject very quickly. Sasuke has not shown any EVIDENCE of greater potential than Itachi, since Itachi led the anbu at 14. If Sasuke has greater potential than that, he's certainly been wasting it, and since his entire goal in life is to GET more powerful, then there's very little likelihood he's close to that potential, since without this curse seal, he wouldn't have been capable of being the leader of the Anbu. Even with level 1, I doubt he would be. He's hardly got the right mindset for that job either, whilst Itachi does. Itachi has the mind of a leader and strategist. Sasuke has the mind of a fighter. At least as shown thus far. We'll see if Sasuke's 2nd curse seal level (Why so ugly? Maybe because Sasuke is so ugly inside with his desire for vengeance consuming him?) can make him seem formidable in comparison to what we could imagine Itachi being at during that age.
Back on the topic of this thread, Rock Lee was obviously designed to be one of the most impressive characters in the manga, for those who weren't paying attention earlier. The Drunken Fist is actually a name given to several different techniques, from Chinese Monkey Kung fu, to the more traditional 'legend of the drunken master' style. However, one thing that styles sharing that name have in common is that they are all some of the most potentially frightening martial arts styles in the world today. Unpredictable, sudden, and deadly, they rank amongst the most dangerous styles that anyone wields. Comparing Lee's straightforward previous style and his (admittedly hard to swallow) sudden mastery of the 'drunken fist' (which thus far looks to be a combination of said styles) is somewhat like comparing a broadsword to a chain and sickle. The broadsword definately has raw strength going for it, but a skilled chain/sickle user is going to be a lot scarier when the scythe is ripping you apart from behind as you focus on the weighted opposite end of the chain coming at you from your front. The difference tends to be high, so when asking 'how can lee be on par with kimimaro?' the answer is very simple. Lee is better at close range combat. By a lot. Enough said.
On to Kimimaro |SPOILERS FOR 211| and his frightening abilities. In his own way, Kimimaro's complete control over his bones that is evidenced in 211 is almost as unpredictable as the drunken fist style. However, it should be noted that fighting with one's own bones is a very dangerous thing. For example, by using his rib cage bones to attack Rock Lee as he did in 211, leaves only muscle and skin between his vital organs and Rock Lee, which means that one direct hit from Lee into the chest area would cause it to cave in, instantly killing Kimi. We'll assume that this serious vulnerability is compensated by the large offensive capabilities he's trading for it, but in the end, Kimimaro seems to be pushing himself harder than he should, considering his condition. Rock Lee is on the road to recovery, whilst Kimi is on the road to death. Pushing themselves further is going to lead Kimi towards a loss a lot faster than it will lead Rock Lee to one. Therefore, if there is any serious fight that Rock Lee has a shot at winning, this is most likely it.
we don't know that lee is a better taijutsu or close combat fighter. but i will be agreeing to it for now since we haven't seen too much of kimimaro.
as for kimimaro's weakness of having no protection between his skin and vital organs, i think he has extra bones. as you can see in the earlier pages (before his ribs pop out) kimimaro's left hand is limp, then becomes erect, and then multiple sharp-ended bones protrude out from his forearm while the forearm is still erect. i think this is the same case with his ribs also. he still has his ribs, but extra bones popped out to attack.
ya i have to go with that too. i think his bloodline allows him to grow bones. also being a natural user doesnt mean lee is a master. 211 is one of the best fight chptrs i seen. each blow of lees look like they hurt because each time it sent kimi backwards. i think in one scene lee did a three hit combo. his speed doesnt seem affected by his drunken state but his flexiblity is amazing. i dont think he is thinking as he is fighting just using his instinks. if its not that then he lied when he said he doesnt have the eye to coonter at high speed when he dodging sword swings at very close range making kimi look like a damn fool then knock the shit out of him bending backwards. next chpter i think we will see if kimi has a lvl 2 seal. lee must of done some serious serious training b4 he got hurt if his lvl of skill is still this high. his fighting skills must of been real high and the time off allowed everyone elses fighting skills to reach his and put his back a bit. out of the whole chptr kimi last attack is the only one that even scratched lee. his boney arm didnt even faze lee and if it wasnt for his ribs he would of been lees punching bag.
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