lee beat up sasuke and naruto when they sucked. sasuke or naruto would stomp the hell out of lee now.
lee beat up sasuke and naruto when they sucked. sasuke or naruto would stomp the hell out of lee now.
plz, someone, SAVE THA MANGA!Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
The past two chapters have been great. I called it in the topic "Other nins." Rock Lee rocks. The reason why Kishimoto added the drunken boxing (fist), is because this will give Lee the ability to defeat Kimimaro, especially since their was such a buildup of Kimimaro's power. Don't foreget how Rock Lee mopped the floor with Sasuke and Naruto. Rock Lee can definitely beat Kimimaro.
On another note, Kiba mentioned they. So far, we've only seen Rock Lee. I believe that Hinata and maybe even Shino are there. I bet shino is going to save Shika or maybe Kiba.
the two last chapters (and a few before them, but espically these two) scream in terror one word:
W-H-Y?
why is lee there? he didn't know about the sound four, and he reassured Sakura that Naruto will bring Sasuke back, what made him change his mind?
and if Lee's there to make sure that Naruto fight Sasuke and not Kimimaru, then what's the point in Kimimaru? they could have shown Sasuke's escape from the barrel while Naruto and Shikamaru were fighting Tayuya, and then Naruto could go after Sasuke while Shikamaru fights Tayuya.
Lee's whole super recovery is just too messed up, I won't say it's immpossible, since it's a manga, but it really stinks, more than Goku's countless recoveries against Freeza and more than Kibas\Kenshins ougie...
The drunken fist style is also pure shit, it looks like Kishimoto wanted to give Lee some ougie against Kimimaru, and this is the best he could come up with, I won't disgrad the fact he has a new ougie, since everybody seems to have it, but lee shouldn't have been there anyway, it's just too forced to be cool.
and besides, drunken fist? what the hell is this? I would expect something like that in Ranma 1\2 or YYH, but in Naruto? in the middle of one of the most intense fights during the last two months?
And you want to bring in more konoha genins? after all the buildup about the Konoha FIVE? why don't you throw in a few more Sound four in the while? and bring another sannin if you're at it already...
besides, how would anyone learn about the mission? Lee is in the operation, Sakura won't be allowed to blabber anymore (Tsunde probably wouldn't want it to become so well known that they can't keep thier genins in check) and the two chunins should know better than to spread rumors...
and if Hinata and Ino come in and do a dual super ougie movement to save Kiba, i'm officialy going to suicide raise plants in my dead body, so that i'll return a bit of all the oxcygen i wasted during my 17 years of life...
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Dazz, I wouldn't necessarily bet on that. Gaara messed Lee up pretty bad, but Gaara did the same thing to both Naruto and Sasuke. It's just that the Naruto and Sasuke could deal with it better becasue of their ability to use Ninjutsu, whereas Lee couldn't. Lee's could probably still beat Sasuke, since he hasn't learned anything new, except Chidori. Since chidori is slow, Lee has a great chance. Lee probably can't beat Naruto anymore, since he can always summon Gamabunta. But if Naruto doesn't summon, Naruto's inexperience with rasengan will not be enough to overcome Lee. I don't really see where Sasuke is better than Lee. Naruto has taken his Ninjutsu to another level, so Lee will definitely have problems with him.
Death Booz, I don't want to bring more genins in, but the fact remains that Kiba said "they." That means more than one person. Also, without Hinata's Byakugen, who else would have been able to track them. Kiba is already with the original search party. Shino might be able to release bugs to help track. I didn't say anything about Ino or Sakura. There is no use for Ino or Sakura, but Rock Lee will have needed someone to help him track the search party, and only Hinata and Shino remains. Actually, bringing in Lee right now really advances the story. Kishimoto did us fans a favor by doing this, or do you really want another boring arc on how Lee's operation went. This way Lee is re-introduced and fighting with his "ougi," it kills two birds with one stone (episode) instead of dragging it on forever. He is advancing the story line while involving the future jounins and Hokage of Konoha.
That's why these past two episodes ROCK. (No pun intended)
to Death Boo Z: I'd quote ya, but it would take up too much space
First of all, lee DID in fact know about the mission that the genins were on. he was there when they were leaving.
as for lee getting involved with the naruto/kimimaru fight.....well if you assume that neither of them are supposed to die just yet, then having some break in the fight like lee stepping in would be a pretty good way to end it. Since its also assumed that lee wont get mortally wounded again, then having him go on a drunken rage and maybe scare off kimimaru would be fairly reasonable way to avoid any deaths.
and as for more konoha's showing up, just consider where they are. it IS the fire country, and therefore it IS konoha territory. It isn't about fighting fair, its about keeping oro from getting sasuke, and Tsunade is already aware of the danger they'd be in if they failed.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
Don't forget that when Lee beat Sasuke originally, Sasuke had no speed in comparison, he couldn't move quickly enough to keep up. Then, he developed the same speed as Lee in a month before the final rounds of the exam. The only reason Lee won the first time was because Sasuke couldn't react in time to block the assault. Now, with Sasuke's improved speed, there's nothing stopping him from beating Lee.Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
Dazz, I wouldn't necessarily bet on that. Gaara messed Lee up pretty bad, but Gaara did the same thing to both Naruto and Sasuke. It's just that the Naruto and Sasuke could deal with it better becasue of their ability to use Ninjutsu, whereas Lee couldn't. Lee's could probably still beat Sasuke, since he hasn't learned anything new, except Chidori. Since chidori is slow, Lee has a great chance. Lee probably can't beat Naruto anymore, since he can always summon Gamabunta. But if Naruto doesn't summon, Naruto's inexperience with rasengan will not be enough to overcome Lee. I don't really see where Sasuke is better than Lee. Naruto has taken his Ninjutsu to another level, so Lee will definitely have problems with him.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
yeah, if it wasnt for lee's interesting personality, i wouldve never expected to see him do much again in the series....since he's already passed on his fighting style to sasuke and is pretty much obsolete compared to him. Not that i'm bashing lee though, i DID like the part where he showed up to help naruto. If sasuke becomes evil and runs away though, then lee wont have to worry about competing for speed among the other remainging rookie genins.
10/4/04 - 8/20/07
I know what Lee said about Sasuke's speed, but he says that ambiguously. You have to remember that Lee has a ton of weights on. If Lee takes those weights off, Sasuke will be in trouble. Remember Sasuke wasn't around to see Lee's fight with Gaara. He was already at the hospital.Originally posted by: CmDr_RavEn
Don't forget that when Lee beat Sasuke originally, Sasuke had no speed in comparison, he couldn't move quickly enough to keep up. Then, he developed the same speed as Lee in a month before the final rounds of the exam. The only reason Lee won the first time was because Sasuke couldn't react in time to block the assault. Now, with Sasuke's improved speed, there's nothing stopping him from beating Lee.
But for argument sake, let's just say that Sasuke is about as fast as Lee. Lee's taijutsu far surpasses that of Sasuke's and Sasuke's ninjutsu isn't that fast/developed yet to pose too much of a problem for Lee. Even if Sasuke is able to block, it's only a matter of time before the iron fist style starts breaking bones. You don't want to block for too long. Lee is extremely powerful. I don't understand why people don't see that.
But didn't they say that Sasuke's improved speed was equal to Lee without the weights?
Anyway, for a genious like Sasuke I'm sure he could find effective ways of fighting from a distance, something incredibly difficult for Lee. I'd like to see the two of them go all out.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
Actually I'd like to see that too. (Winner gets Sakura) Sasuke might declare Lee the victor, since he's more into her than he is.
lee is without a doubt one of the more strongest genins, but lee cannot win against sasuke anymore. sasuke is just as fast as lee WITHOUT the weights and sasuke has sharingan which can see lee's every movement, and since he is just as fast as lee, he can counter them all. the only thing lee has going for him is the gates, but that didn't help too much against gaara. sasuke's ninjutsu and genjutsu (even though they aren't super strong) are things that lee just can't compete against.
The boner's gonna give out before it can finish the job.
Actually, it was mentioned and readily apparent that Lee's stamina is FAR above Sasuke's stamina. Sasuke's body uses up a lot of energy trying to keep up with Rock Lee's speed sans Rock Lee's YEARS of training. While Sasuke was only able to use his speedy attacks a few times before breathing heavily, Rock Lee was able to dash about the entire arena many many times without so much as breaking a sweat. Everyone likes to think that giving Sasuke Lee's speed was a way of replacing Lee's coolness or making him obsolete, but the fact is Lee still has Sasuke completely and utterly dominated in close range combat. If Sasuke were to win, he would HAVE to resort to long range attacks, as there is no way he could hang with close range lee for more than a minute at best. It's also worth noting that while Sasuke has a pale imitation of Lee's Taijutsu style, it's not nearly as well developed, so I would go so far as to say that Sasuke doesn't have the same skill level as Rock Lee at something. Of course, since Rock Lee is basically a Taijutsu specialist, that is hardly an insult to Sasuke, who did something extroardinary by picking up as much as he did so quickly. Rock Lee's ABSURD amount of stamina, however, would allow him to go on for a VERY long time if he wasn't pulling out the gates. This would actually make a match between Sasuke and him a LOT closer than people think. Without Gaara's absolute defense, there is no need for the Ura Renge, so at worst, Lee would only open 3 gates in absolute desperation, as the speed and strength powerup came with the 3rd gate, and that would be enough to completely destroy Sasuke if we were assuming a no holds barred match, which will likely never happen, on account of the fact that it would be stupid. So, once again, no offense intended, you are mistaken, Dazzz.Originally posted by: dazzz
lee is without a doubt one of the more strongest genins, but lee cannot win against sasuke anymore. sasuke is just as fast as lee WITHOUT the weights and sasuke has sharingan which can see lee's every movement, and since he is just as fast as lee, he can counter them all. the only thing lee has going for him is the gates, but that didn't help too much against gaara. sasuke's ninjutsu and genjutsu (even though they aren't super strong) are things that lee just can't compete against.
Don't worry Kalean, it happens very frequently. No where has it been said that Sasuke was Lee's speed without weights. People said he had Lee's speed, which could mean that he's like Lee's normal speed, which is very fast, or somewhere in between without the weights, and with gates open.Originally posted by: Kalean
you are mistaken, Dazzz.
With gates open, Lee is the fasted character in the manga so far, by a lot. No character has been able to bounce people around like that.
Rock Lee... well, he rocks.
-xtortout
when you mention that lee has more stamina than sasuke while referring to my statement about how lee can't compete against sasuke's ninjutsu and genjutsu, then you misunderstood. i meant that lee has no counters against sasuke's ninjutsus and genjutsus for the sole reason that lee cannot use them. i am not disagreeing on the fact that lee has more stamina than sasuke, i completely agree with it.
also, when you say that lee can go on for a very long time if he wasn't using his gates supports response. :/
read up on my post on the "why is lee on par with kimimaro" thread.
I haven't read up on that thread in a bit, I just wanted to comment on this.Originally posted by: dazzz
when you mention that lee has more stamina than sasuke while referring to my statement about how lee can't compete against sasuke's ninjutsu and genjutsu, then you misunderstood. i meant that lee has no counters against sasuke's ninjutsus and genjutsus for the sole reason that lee cannot use them. i am not disagreeing on the fact that lee has more stamina than sasuke, i completely agree with it.
also, when you say that lee can go on for a very long time if he wasn't using his gates supports response. :/
read up on my post on the "why is lee on par with kimimaro" thread.
I have some doubts as to how effective ninjutsu would be against Lee in his very fast form (weights off, with or without gates open). Tough to hit someone w/ a wall of water when they can move faster than it. Same w/ fire, or... hundreds of shurikens. Now, genjutsu is another story. Oddly enough, the only genjutsu we've seen was done by a) evil people, b) Kakashi. Unless, that is, bunshin no jutsu would be considered genjutsu. (Don't think so. If Naruto had that much strength in a genjutsu skill, he wouldn't have been put out by Kabuto's sleep spell.)
Hopefully, if/when Sasuke meets up w/ Orochimaru, he gets taught to use sharingan better, and learns some more... deviant jutsus. The genjutsu used on Shikamaru rocked. Rocked. Rocked.
(I wish I could do that to people at work. THIS IS WHAT WORKING WITH YOU IS LIKE!)
(By the way, that's a joke, and in no way do I pose a threat to people at work, if you're reading this.)
-xtortout
Originally posted by: xtort
Don't worry Kalean, it happens very frequently. No where has it been said that Sasuke was Lee's speed without weights. People said he had Lee's speed, which could mean that he's like Lee's normal speed, which is very fast, or somewhere in between without the weights, and with gates open.Originally posted by: Kalean
you are mistaken, Dazzz.
With gates open, Lee is the fasted character in the manga so far, by a lot. No character has been able to bounce people around like that.
Rock Lee... well, he rocks.
-xtortout
plz know what you are talking about before posting.
and why do i get a feeling that you have something against me?
People please!
Read the manga before you post here and accuse someone of lying.
Good one dazz.
Ok lets recap
Sasuke is ABOUT as fast as lee without weights:True.
Lee has much more stanima than Sasuke: True.
Can we move on now?
Translation is out at Narutofan. Not by Inane, though.
I am going to read it. Seez yas.
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