Inane 208 - Official Discussion *SPOILERS*

[Winged Dancer]

Mmh, as Augury has said already, its weird that no one has said anything about Shikamaru being pretty much alive and well at the moment.

What I mean is, Chouji over-exerted his body - almost dead if not dead.
Neji got a few holes all around his torso - almost dead, if not dead.
Kiba has a nasty wound in his stomach and may be swimming around a rapid - almost dead if not dead!

And given that Tayuya has just gone into level 2, she's not going down that fast... and, even better, she's not going to be killed by a kunai. A simple kunai has never killed _anyone_ in this show so far, and Tayuya (being the equivalent of a dungeon boss) wont be the exception.

So its obvious that Tayuya vs. Shikamaru is not done yet... Shika has a broken finger only. He has to go to the near-death state before killing her/disabling her... or at least thats what the patter would say.

And c'mon, Mitsurugi... its called taunting. It happens all of the time in anime and manga!!
Besides, Tayuya's summons only eat chakra/life energy... so they'd have to stomp Shikamaru to kill him, and then they'd get close to him, and then they'd get Shadow-binded, and its the same thing all over again.

[BakaShinji]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi

1. If the only weapon she has is the flute and she only summons. Then she uses only long range attacks. Agreed? Yes/No

Yes, proceeding.

Why would she rush in to a proximity where she can be bound by Shika's shadow?
A. She really is as stupid as the authors make her out to be.
B. Her craft is fighting from a distance, thus emphasizing the use of her flute.

What about the counter claims of C,D,E,F,G, H, I?

C. Maybe she is stupid?
D. She had used her flute to do the genjutsu.
E. She believed she had Shika disabled. a.k.a. proximity rush is A-O-K.
F. She wanted Shika to suffer the irony of defeat
G. It makes good story telling.
H. Summoning monsters she had jsut cancelled would be bad form. Have you seen Jiraiya, Oro, Tsunade ever resummon their summons repeatedly in the same battle? We might as well go back to manga chapter 203 again.
I. You haven't thought about this enough yet Hiten.

[Winged Dancer]

Agree with Baka Shinji in all of his points there. Specially with letter E - rushing and kicking the enemy while he's down is one of the best strategies out there!!
Even better than distracting them with complicated traps so they let their guard down and you can capture them so they escape and you can capture them yet again because it was all a contrived lie...

...or something like that.

[Mut]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugiWhy would she rush in to a proximity where she can be bound by Shika's shadow? She clearly saw an example when her summons were caught by Shika.

i don't know what you're not understanding. on page 18, she says: "...he then pretended that he was still being cornered by the jutsu."

which means that he tricked her into thinking that she saw an opening.

and if you ask "why didn't shikamaru just bind her with the shadow jutsu if he's gonna break his finger with it." well, as you can see he can't see anything but himself in that imaginary world tayuya put him in.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: BakaShinji

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi

1. If the only weapon she has is the flute and she only summons. Then she uses only long range attacks. Agreed? Yes/No

Yes, proceeding.

Why would she rush in to a proximity where she can be bound by Shika's shadow?
A. She really is as stupid as the authors make her out to be.
B. Her craft is fighting from a distance, thus emphasizing the use of her flute.

What about the counter claims of C,D,E,F,G, H, I?

C. Maybe she is stupid?
D. She had used her flute to do the genjutsu.
E. She believed she had Shika disabled. a.k.a. proximity rush is A-O-K.
F. She wanted Shika to suffer the irony of defeat
G. It makes good story telling.
H. Summoning monsters she had jsut cancelled would be bad form. Have you seen Jiraiya, Oro, Tsunade ever resummon their summons repeatedly in the same battle? We might as well go back to manga chapter 203 again.
I. You haven't thought about this enough yet Hiten.

Answer to your C: That would be similar to my A answer.
Answer to your D: The flute performs both the genjutsu and summons. So she does a duet instead of a solo.
Answer to your E: Disagrees with you answering yes to her attacks being based from long range.
Answer to your F: Your talking about a seasoned killer here. They have probably killed dozens of people since being with Oro. Why would she all of a sudden lose her cool with Shika. Is Shika that lucky?
Answer to your G: If it floats your boat great. But I believe that this is cheesier than Chouji using a red pill. It would have been better if Shika just dropped the kunai, "Oops I dropped the Kunai, Tayuya cuold you please pick it up for me?" Then while Tayuya's picking it up, Shika drops a log on her head. Sure it's great story telling.
Answer to your H: Are you saying that she will have bad luck for the rest of her life? LOL. Yes, I've seen Jaraiya summon little frog and then Gamabunta.
Answer to your I: Dude I've thought about this. It stinks, but that's my opinion. Your entitled to yours. I just feel that the authors made it far too easy for shika in this match, especially with him having the new state of the art "byaringan."

[Mut]

i just think you're thinking too much into this. people (probably me too) in this forum have a problem of not being able to take thing as it is.

[hiten mitsurugi]

Originally posted by: dazzz
i just think you're thinking too much into this. people (probably me too) in this forum have a problem of not being able to take thing as it is.

Dazzz, you should be careful, because if you give Kishimoto an inch. He'll have Shika's byaringan vs. Itachi's Sharinga. You and I both know that since byaringan is stronger, shika will throw a kunai down at Itachi's feet. Itachi will pick it up, inner itachi thinking (hahaha, I'll kill him with his own kunai), rushes Shika. Shika will bind him at the last minute and break Itachi's neck. All this after he crushed Itachi's menge Jutsu by breaking his index finger.

[Mut]

i'll follow along with your sarcasm and say:

i believe itachi's menge sharingan is a lot more powerful than tayuya's genjutsu.

/end sarcasm.

[Death BOO Z]

the only thing that can redeem this fight is if Tayuya will also use some chess metaphore and beat shikamaru's byaringan abilities by reaviling some thinking abilites (which the sound 5 seem to lack so far)... maybe then i would like this battle...

BTW: what was the deal with the 'hands' shikamaru was mentioning? Chess is a game with board and pisces, you use the term hands when dealing with cards, ne?

[hiten mitsurugi]

I wonder how much more powerful Kakashi would be if he had a byukugen in one eye and the sharingan in the other. I think that would be bad ass.

Since Neji may be dead, Kakashi shouldn't let it go to waste. He should take the initiative and get the eye and have Tsunade operate immediately.

[Iznogoud]

Originally posted by: hiten mitsurugi
I wonder how much more powerful Kakashi would be if he had a byukugen in one eye and the sharingan in the other. I think that would be bad ass.

Since Neji may be dead, Kakashi shouldn't let it go to waste. He should take the initiative and get the eye and have Tsunade operate immediately.

i strongly disagree!
Who said he got it that way anyway ?
Until nothing is revealed i won't believe in that...
This sounds just too stupid.

[Come Come Paradise]

shikamaru's battle was sorta easy cuz he made it that way
why do u think hes the only genin to graduate to chuunin?
even tho he doesnt have an assload of jutsus and such, he does have an iq over 200, thats gotta count for something

[Kumiriko]

Ok i dint read any of the posts but apprently Naruto fan is down or i cant get to it. where can i get this chapter? Can someone PM me the url?

[Everon]

So shikamaru does now a new jutsu. Sweet

[tuggumkee]

hiten mitsurugi, i understand what your saying. why use a kunai when she can use her flute? she's been using her flute for however long she's been fighting, and she's always won with it.

However i think your taking her statement too strict / line for line. It doesn't mean that her whole time fighting as a ninja, she's never used anything except the summons to kill someone. It means more along the lines that she's used the flute to gain victory, not nessicarily to kill everything. And dude, shika got her mad at some degree.

Even if she hadn't killed anyone with anything except her summons in the past, think of her as a real person. real people dont one day decide, "i'm going to kill everyone with my flute for the rest of my life."

She said the statement about using only her flute in a prideful manner/boasting. Its not some mantra that she follows.

And seriously, if she was a real person, and thought that shika was in a genjutsu, she wouldn't take the damn time to summon the monsters again just so she can say my flute is my only weapon.

Even if she <u>had killed shika with the kunai</u> she'd probably consider her flute her only weapon still. GRANTED, the kunai being used is good for the story, but its also just easier and makes more sense.

Or you can believe that the statement she said is a mantra / a way of life for her that she'll never break, but that would make her character more petty/stupid.

realisticly, she thought shika was stuck and couldn't move. since she's a ninja who uses all the assets given to her, and that she never carries anything except a flute, the kunai was a good oppertunity. you can say it was stupid of her to take it because it was a trap by shika*shrug, then you'd be right she should know shika's smart* but the only real justification i can see for her to use the flute to summon and kill shika is if she was being extremely cautious(suspected something from shika) or she wanted to follow some sacred vow of hers.

[Gods_Son]

good chapter, Shikamaru keeps gettin more fans, it's hard to really hate on him. Anyways, Tayuya states that nobody survives her little flute melody, but Shika does, and then she herself said she only uses the flute, so after trapping him in a genjutsu, the logical way to kill him would be to use a kunai and stab him. Maybe she's an idiot, but you can really change the way things happened. Just accept it for now, and we'll see what happens. Maybe she is using another genjutsu, u never know...

[Jman]

had some hopes for tayuya but her level 2 curse seal is as fugly as the others. makes me wonder what sasuke would look like with horns coming out his head if/when he does get the level 2 seal activated.

lol that shadow pulled a justin timberlake janet superbowl type stunt when it seemed to cop a feel on tayuya's titty.

good chapter.

[chaos4ever4]

perhaps this will help:
1. Shikamaru's KKSnJ is his only trump card at the moment vs a level 2 Tayuya, since she got out of his shadow-binding technique
But he his KKSnJ's power is inversely proportional to the distance from his enemy, so he *has* to draw her close, and the kunai was be best way to draw her in, especially in her enraged state

2. Tayaua is pretty overconfident, and was still so when she went into level 2. I don't think she was in the mode to really reconsider or plan ahead like Shikamaru. Since she didn't use her summons again, that's her fault that she got drawn into the trap
But I do have to admit, it is a little too convenient, but, hey, it's a manga, not Martha Stewart courtroom

Also, I think Shikamaru's at his chakara limit with his shadow techniques, just that he doesn't show and open himself up.
Second, I think his Shadow Bind on Tayuya was a tad too long, but i'm just being picky....

Overall, a very good chapter, very lean and direct with almost no filler frames.

[Hotsuma]

Answer to Hiten Mitsurugi.

Kishimoto likes Shikamaru more than he did, Tayuya.

[xtort]

Damn. I'm happy. This is the first issue in a long while where I was excited about it after reading. People have gotten it right. She picked up the kunai for several reasons: 1) she had never needed anything but the flute before (anyone think of the line, "this one time, at band camp..."?), 2) since she's never needed anything else, she's always killed with the flute, 3) since he had beaten the flute, she was going to use whatever means necessary to kill him, 4) he made the kunai available just for those reasons.

In my estimation, a far more brutal way would have been punching him in the trachea, making him drown in the blood from his crushed voicebox, but then again... it's meant for a younger audience so that's out of the question. He gave her the kunai so that he can take one step back, and mimic the action of stabbing himself. Viola, one dead Tayuya.

Great episode. Shikamaru is officially my favorite character now.

&lt;request&gt; more like these please.


-xtortout