Girls going Bisexual

[Poiple Weezard]

Several Key Points:

The media does have something to do with a recent increase in the gay/bi population, but not the way presented. Recent television shows (past decade) have shown the gay/bi lifestyle as being less taboo and more accepted, sometimes even presented as the norm. You can look at this one of two ways (possibly more). First: Seeing others in the same position as themselves has given people the courage to display their own desires. Second: People like to emulate what they see on TV. I'm sure you can find documented cases of either.

Originally posted by: ComeComeParadise
I can't even begin to comprehend why any would need to ban gay marriages. Seperation of Church and State? Thanks GWBush.

Seperation of Church and State refers to the orginization of the Church specifically, not the morals that it teaches. I wouldn't want to ever have someone lead this country who had no morals. I can understand that I might not agree with every one they have, but that doesn't mean a leader is violating the constitution by having them.

Originally posted by: ComeComeParadise
BTW Homophobes should go lock themselves in a closet for eternity or at least until they can re-evaluate thair values.

Just as those who are gay are uncomfortable with living a straight lifestyle, there are many who are straight who are uncomfortable with gay lifestyles. Those people are commonly identified as "homophobes" and are treated unjustly like crap. That's how racism and similar attitudes begin. Just because you see one gay, black, Jew, or Christian person do something wrong, does not mean you should condemn the entire group. Just because there have been those in the past who hate the gay lifestyle, doesn't mean you should be predgidous against those who are uncomfortable with it.

[Swallow Your Soul]

I don't think when we say 'homophobe' we mean someone who is uncomfortable...more someone who is actually against/disapproves of homosexuality which is different. To be honest though, you've got to be pretty conservative to be really that uncomfortable.

Also I disagree that people necessarily copy what they see in the media...just because someone sees articles about gay people I can't for the life of me see why they would be so weak and fragile-minded to think 'yeah, from now on i'm going to have relationships with members of the same sex because that guy/girl on the news does'. I guess it could potentially make them more willing to try stuff out but I don't think you can become gay just because it is shown in the media.

Those who are gay are uncomfortable with a straight lifestyle? WTF? I don't think you really comprehend homosexuality well if you think that...the fact is they are attracted to members of their own sex as well as/instead of the opposite sex - being uncomfortable doesn't come into it.

And George Bush is a cunt

[Mut]

i'm ok with gay people as long as they don't try to "touch" me. in the bad way [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

[Swallow Your Soul]

I don't think most would, especially if they knew you were straight. Would you fancy every woman you ever saw?

[Legendary Nin]

I don't think gay is right,geneticlly it doesn't work.Two men don't make a child,sore asses yes,child,no.But whatever,if someone wants to do that crap,just don't bring it around me,I'm not interested.And for bi-sexual girls,they are only good for one thing,threesomes,foursomes,and whatever number you can get if you round up enough of those sluts.

[ComeComeParadise]

I meant homophobe as one who feels hatred towards homosexuals. That is bigotry. I also would like a leader with morals, but you (Poiple Weezard) miss what I am trying to say. Marriage is a religious institution, but the government gives certain legal rights to married couples. By excluding homosexuals from these rights is denying a group of Americans the rights that they deserve.

[Poiple Weezard]

So, were you saying that in this case the government shouldn't interfere with religious matters? Not the other way around?

[villin]

Originally posted by: ComeComeParadise
I meant homophobe as one who feels hatred towards homosexuals. That is bigotry. I also would like a leader with morals, but you (Poiple Weezard) miss what I am trying to say. Marriage is a religious institution, but the government gives certain legal rights to married couples. By excluding homosexuals from these rights is denying a group of Americans the rights that they deserve.

I don't even know where to begin...

Marriage is not a religious institution. If it was a religious institution then homosexuals would have a far more difficult time getting married than they do now. Many religious groups are among the most vocal supporters of banning same sex marriages. I have been accused of being a homophobe. I don't hate homosexuals, I just don't like them shoving their beliefs in my face. Public places are not appropriate venues to express your love for your partner in my opinion.

[Tenkei]

I think this topic should be closed now ..

XD It came from a mild observation, but now we're getting a lot of arguments back and forth. I think that the topic of gay marriages / rights and religion are probably two things that are never safe in any forum. Let alone one not dedicated to. ^^*

But, as long as this is open. As far as genetics go, yes, gay marriages don't make sense. This is according to the scientific idea of life; we are here to have children and move on. But, how often do humans adhere to this statement? Almost never. Why should romance be any different?

But - for now, I'm gonna step out of this topic XD~ I'm scared of the flames that are going to start.

[Poiple Weezard]

Since one person's dropping out, I will too. I usually get involved in arguments and have a hard time telling when I've gone too far. This is a good way to tell.

Two things that should never be discussed in forums, politics and religion. In this thread we've mentioned some of both.

[Vagabond]

I agree 100% people seems to get to carried away when they discuss these topics. (i know cause i do to)

[Raven]

I really love how this went from one high school student making an observation about girls at his school to a major political/religious debate.... LOL!

Would people like to keep discussing this? Or should it be closed?

[SaSuKeRuLeS]

i really dont care if girls are bisexuals. I mean come on lezbos, are hot enough but if its a bi and a lezbo then i can get in on the action...

[Legendary Nin]

A lesbian won't bother with you because she wouldn't like guys,that's why she's a lesbian.But a bi girl,there ment for 3 somes with another girl.I'm still in support of racking up all the bi girls and taking full advantage of their sexuality,it's the man thing to do.C'mon,every guy has wanted to be the guy with two girls in the pron movie.If you get the chance,do it,do it many times,do it until they go completly lesbian,do it for all males across world.Hell,even your daddy would be saying "Go get them!!!!!". or "that's my boy!!".

[Terracosmo]

Originally posted by: Mondongo
Remember there is difference between what they claim they are and what the real fact is...

Very, very, VERY true.

[HimizujinEternia]

I'd just like to make a few points about the debate. I'd prefer not adding to the idiocy of sex talk.

Originally posted by: Legendary Nin
I don't think gay is right,geneticlly it doesn't work.Two men don't make a child,sore asses yes,child,no.

HAve you ever thought that this world doesn't NEED more humans? Our society has hit carrying capacity, so we are unable to support our obscenely huge population. Homosexuals just practice an effective method of birth control by not having an interest in the opposite gender. I think they should be allowed to marry on that basis alone.

However, I cannot say the same for Bisexuals and Polygamists. Bisexuality is different than Homosexuality in that it can result in babies, which is NOT something this world needs, and Polygamists simply become baby factories.


In any case, for other topics: Keep religion out of government, it causes enough harm already without being there, Marriage is an expression of love and commitment, not a religious ceremony, and should be treated as such (therefore, Homosexuals should be allowed to marry, but Bisexuals and Polygamists should not.)

[Legendary Nin]

^So I take it your gay,you basiclly just came out of the closest dude.Anyways,people die,if there is a large spike in butt plumbing,then that will eventually result in an underpopulated society.The world is balanced out with murders,diseases,and untimely death.Please look back at history,there is always a wide spread disease that kills tens of thousands of people,or wars that take lives by the millions.Look back at the 1900's through 1950's.A time where population was greatly regulated.Your form of birth control really holds no position.Someone could just say kill off all the gays,there only taking up space and do nothing to further the human race.

[Swallow Your Soul]

Right I know we're meant to be ending this topic so this will be the last point I make in response to Himizujin Eternia. Homosexuality should be considered entirely irrelevant to the population of the planet (as it is entirely irrelevant). Being gay is not some sort of birth control...your argument makes no sense.

Also there seems to be some sort of misunderstanding regarding bisexuality by horny guys assuming that bisexual girls are necessarily interested in having 3somes (i'm sure there are bisexuals who are interested, but being bisexual doesn't mean someone is into fucking people of either sex at the same time, or just horny swingers who'll fuck anything that moves)

It seems there are a lot of people on this forum who think homosexuality is some sort of fetish, or that being homo/bisexual means they're some sort of outlandish nutter, or that merely that fact that you're male means that gay people will come on to you or fancy you...I can assure you that you walk past/interact with loads of people who are actually gay but you just don't know it. And if someone wants to say 'so i take it you're gay' then yep, i'm bi...

There, last post for this one from me...

[khmerJ]

Fact of the matter remains is that noone really knows or understands why girls go Bi or whatever....and were in a new century.I guess we jus have to start accepting the whole gay marriage thing..those who already haven't accepted it..or,If ppl even care...I dont...could care less about that whole matter,but decided to put my 2 cents in anyways.Some states & cities may allow gay marriages..and some not,but regardless of that...it seems more girls are turning Bi...and have I no clue why.

[bitwar]

Originally posted by: villin
I don't even know where to begin...

Marriage is not a religious institution. If it was a religious institution then homosexuals would have a far more difficult time getting married than they do now. Many religious groups are among the most vocal supporters of banning same sex marriages. I have been accused of being a homophobe. I don't hate homosexuals, I just don't like them shoving their beliefs in my face. Public places are not appropriate venues to express your love for your partner in my opinion.

I'm sorry, I had to reply to this. It is. However, different groups have different values, which is why so many different groups hold homosexual marriges in different light. Even groups within groups (different denominations of Christianity, for example) take different stances on this issue. I'll talk about Christianity since that's what I am. A lot of denominations have decided to bend over backwards for all the politically correct B.S. that's floating around and either refuse to stand for what the bible says, or they just don't care what it says anymore. You can look around at all the groups that pick and choose what they want the bible to say. Even congregations within the denominations are split on things like this (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is headed toward another split). I personnally think it's ridiculous. The bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination before God. However, that only puts it on the same level as murder, cheating on you spouse, stealing, and telling little white lies (like telling your parents you finished your homework when you really didn't just so you can watch TV). All sins, no matter how big or small we may think they are, are all counted the same by God. However it is the ACT of homosexuality that is the abomination, NOT the person doing it.

Now back to the part about marriage. Since homosexuals seeking marriage are in a state of "unrepentant sin," the church cannot (or rather should not) grant them a marriage (if they believe that the bible is the inerrent Word of God, as most of us confessional Lutherans do). However, the government can if they so choose. Domestic partnerships are how the government should handle the whole marriage thing. Whether the couple is straight or gay, they should get the same benefits on taxes and whatevers if the government so chooses. The church can't say anything about it. Under that, the weddings conducted in the church are purely ceremonial, and therefore the churches cannot be forced to perform a wedding for a gay couple if they choose not to for their own theological reasons.

I personnally am against homosexuality, the same way I'm against theft, lying, etc. However I do not hate or hold any preconcieved dislike for any person of any sexual orientation. It's not a sin against me, it's between the individual and God. I have nothing to do with it. And we're all sinners, so I'm not better than anyone, if anything I'm worse. I have my own pet sins that I can't/won't give up. That's how I view things.

Also about public places. They're not appropriate places to physically express your love for your partner, whether you're gay, bi, or straight.

If you want to discuss the religous aspect of this, or religion in general with me, pm, IM, or email me. Partially because I'm not coming back to this topic in order to avoid flames and mostly because I don't want to turn this forum into a religious dispute. I just needed to put this out there.