Girls going Bisexual

[Raven]

I really love how this went from one high school student making an observation about girls at his school to a major political/religious debate.... LOL!

Would people like to keep discussing this? Or should it be closed?

[khmerJ]

Fact of the matter remains is that noone really knows or understands why girls go Bi or whatever....and were in a new century.I guess we jus have to start accepting the whole gay marriage thing..those who already haven't accepted it..or,If ppl even care...I dont...could care less about that whole matter,but decided to put my 2 cents in anyways.Some states & cities may allow gay marriages..and some not,but regardless of that...it seems more girls are turning Bi...and have I no clue why.

[bitwar]

Originally posted by: villin
I don't even know where to begin...

Marriage is not a religious institution. If it was a religious institution then homosexuals would have a far more difficult time getting married than they do now. Many religious groups are among the most vocal supporters of banning same sex marriages. I have been accused of being a homophobe. I don't hate homosexuals, I just don't like them shoving their beliefs in my face. Public places are not appropriate venues to express your love for your partner in my opinion.

I'm sorry, I had to reply to this. It is. However, different groups have different values, which is why so many different groups hold homosexual marriges in different light. Even groups within groups (different denominations of Christianity, for example) take different stances on this issue. I'll talk about Christianity since that's what I am. A lot of denominations have decided to bend over backwards for all the politically correct B.S. that's floating around and either refuse to stand for what the bible says, or they just don't care what it says anymore. You can look around at all the groups that pick and choose what they want the bible to say. Even congregations within the denominations are split on things like this (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is headed toward another split). I personnally think it's ridiculous. The bible clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination before God. However, that only puts it on the same level as murder, cheating on you spouse, stealing, and telling little white lies (like telling your parents you finished your homework when you really didn't just so you can watch TV). All sins, no matter how big or small we may think they are, are all counted the same by God. However it is the ACT of homosexuality that is the abomination, NOT the person doing it.

Now back to the part about marriage. Since homosexuals seeking marriage are in a state of "unrepentant sin," the church cannot (or rather should not) grant them a marriage (if they believe that the bible is the inerrent Word of God, as most of us confessional Lutherans do). However, the government can if they so choose. Domestic partnerships are how the government should handle the whole marriage thing. Whether the couple is straight or gay, they should get the same benefits on taxes and whatevers if the government so chooses. The church can't say anything about it. Under that, the weddings conducted in the church are purely ceremonial, and therefore the churches cannot be forced to perform a wedding for a gay couple if they choose not to for their own theological reasons.

I personnally am against homosexuality, the same way I'm against theft, lying, etc. However I do not hate or hold any preconcieved dislike for any person of any sexual orientation. It's not a sin against me, it's between the individual and God. I have nothing to do with it. And we're all sinners, so I'm not better than anyone, if anything I'm worse. I have my own pet sins that I can't/won't give up. That's how I view things.

Also about public places. They're not appropriate places to physically express your love for your partner, whether you're gay, bi, or straight.

If you want to discuss the religous aspect of this, or religion in general with me, pm, IM, or email me. Partially because I'm not coming back to this topic in order to avoid flames and mostly because I don't want to turn this forum into a religious dispute. I just needed to put this out there.

[oni roh]

Keep religion out of government

^^Are you American? Cause if you are, and you thought about what you just said you would take back every word of it. I myself don't practice what i preach but its something we NEED, this country was BUILT on the christian religion.

It's not a sin against me, it's between the individual and God.

Nicely put. If you ask me either be homosexual, or straight. Being in between or bisexual is nothing but an act of "Lust" and IMO is wrong, its purely sexual with no basis on love which should be the basis in all relationships.

[Legendary Nin]

You can't base a government on religion for this simple reason.No religion is better than another,so you can't put one above another because all of them can't prove what they preach.

[Swallow Your Soul]

EDIT - referring to Oni Roh

I know I said I'd shut up but I gotta say thats a fucking ignorant thing to say. Who the fuck are you to say bisexuals only act on lust? If you're don't understand something you're not in a position to make stupid comments like that.

JFC I don't know why people just can't say "I couldn't give a fuck what people do - its none of my business and affects me in no way whatsoever so why should I even care who they want to be with or are attracted to?"

[oni roh]

liek i said america's consitution waS written out of religion, i think its just nonsense how they get rid of prayer in schools,games, etc. kids aren't as exposed to god as they were 50 years ago and now look how we are?

[Legendary Nin]

Originally posted by: oni roh
liek i said america's consitution waS written out of religion, i think its just nonsense how they get rid of prayer in schools,games, etc. kids aren't as exposed to god as they were 50 years ago and now look how we are?

And do you think America is right? I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion,but no single country has done as much wrong as the US.What something might have been based on 200 years ago may not be appropriate 200 years later.Also,christianity took lives.Who torchered all the Indians,raped them of their land,forced them into residential schools,christians.That's just an example,I could go on if needed,but this is not the thread to do it in.

[Poiple Weezard]

Now is my time to get back into the discussion. Christianity didn't take lives. What some Christians did, they were wrong to do. They operated against the practices and beliefs of the Bible. There have been atrocities thoughout the ages commited by Christians (as have been by members of other religions) but if that person's actions weren't representative of the teachings they were supposed to follow, how can it be Christianity that took those lives?

EDIT: This thread is probably gonna take a bad path since religion is involved. If someone wants to come in and stop it, go ahead, but since a member is flaming the religion that I believe in, I had to say something.

[oni roh]

TextI know I said I'd shut up but I gotta say thats a fucking ignorant thing to say. Who the fuck are you to say bisexuals only act on lust? If you're don't understand something you're not in a position to make stupid comments like that.

ok obviously the idiot here is YOU. here lets explore the mind of a bisexual here "Well i like doing a guy but i also like eating out a girl at the same time" LUST???? I rest my case, fights and flaming start in a diffrence in opinion, it takes a mature person to accept what one thinks and to not condem him for what he thinks (like you who did the opposite of) heres the fact

HOW MANY BI-SEXUALS DO YOU KNOW THAT ""LOVE"" A MAN AND A WOMAN? its ust dumb it goes against everything religion stands for, and thats why i believe bisexual is mostly lust. I hold nothing against you, as you should hold nothing against me because we are nothing but two people with a dissagreance in opinion.

TextAnd do you think America is right? I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion,but no single country has done as much wrong as the US.What something might have been based on 200 years ago may not be appropriate 200 years later.Also,christianity took lives.Who torchered all the Indians,raped them of their land,forced them into residential schools,christians.That's just an example,I could go on if needed,but this is not the thread to do it in.

what do you think i was saying? and i wasn't talking about 200 years ago, if you were smart enough you would look at the fact. HOW many times have you heard about a kid in the 1940's bringing a gun into school and murdering 20 or so of his classmates? NOT MANY but then you look at today and what do you see? MULTIPLE cases of this, and whats the MAJOR diffrence? RELIGION! kids back then were basically forced to believe in god (DON'T GET ME WRONG I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT) but i'd rather force a kid to believe in god then to let him be atheist and have NO MORALS and kill 20 people. Don't take me wrong, i dont' think its right to force anythign upon anybody, but its the facts that tell me what i think should be done.

[Swallow Your Soul]

Oni Roh, being bisexual myself, I think I can well understand the mind of one. Bisexuals do NOT WANT TO FUCK MEMBERS OF EITHER SEX AT THE SAME TIME! At least I don't anyway, I just find myself capable of being attracted to members of both sexes, it doesn't mean I want a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time! Or a threesome or anything like that either.

The fact it goes against religion means nothing to me as I'm personally not religious.

The plain fact is you clearly don't understand the first thing about being bisexual besides the attraction of both sexes, why can't you just take people as they are and let them do what they want to do...

I disagree that religion should have an impact on the lives of the non-religious, so saying it goes against all religion stands for has no meaning as a religion is a persons choice, if they have their beliefs then fine I totally support that but people must realise that saying bisexuality is based on lust goes completely against, not only what I believe, but what I am.

I can imagine how hard it can be for some people, particularly those on the more conservative side to understand how someone can be attracted to both sexes without it being just pure lust, but just take my word for it, bisexuality does not mean someone is so horny that they'll fuck anyone. People vary in gender and sexuality, its just the way it is, and most don't 'become' gay, bi, or transgendered, I can't give a concrete reason as to why (as pretty much no-one has ever been able to) but the most believeable reason I've heard is that it has to do with the level of certain hormones a child receives while in the womb...

I don't hold anything against you or anyone on this forum but you must be able to see why I take exception to people criticising my sexuality...it comes down to more than a difference in opinion because opinions can change if a person can be convinced otherwise, my sexuality can't. Its not just a disagreement it is someone telling me that me and people like me are fundamentally wrong in they way they are so I can't help but get a bit insulted...

[Mut]

everyone is a christian inside [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] *WINK*WINK*

[Mut]

religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

[rEkKaShInObI]

Originally posted by: dazzz
religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

True True.

[kbial]

Originally posted by: rEkKaShInObI

Originally posted by: dazzz
religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

True True.

Very true. And people should not be juged by thier religion, whatever it may be.

[oni roh]

religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

IMO only true in peoples eyes today, i'm only 17 so what would i know right? But i still look at it this way, soceity as a whole has changed. Years ago people/media/religion was all intertwined, prayer was in school/games/home/everywhere. You may say religion has nothing to do with it now, but how many kids you know took those guns into chatholic schools?????? There you go you have heard none. The fact is is prayer was as big of a part of society as it was 40 years or so ago things might be diffrent. Dissagree with me all you want but i think its true. Of course America is so f*ked up now nothing is gonna bring it back.

[Mut]

i don't think saying the reason why catholic schools have no kids bringing guns to school because of religion isn't strong enough of a fact to support your theory considering there are more public schools compared to catholic schools. i think it's a split between parenting and kids' minds.

[Legendary Nin]

Let's look at religion,what has it done..hmm..Catholic.Let's see,ah yes.13 year old altar boys being molested by men that need viagra,thank you catholics!!!!!! I wonder how many boys John Paul had to abuse before he became the pope,haha.Religion itself goes againist itself.Face it,you believe in something you can't follow and follow something your not sure about.Your aimlessly following what your being told to follow without any proof of existence that very being.Why should such a thing control everyones lives.And what religion is proper.You can't have religion in everything unless it is one religion,but then yet that denies everyone else their rights.Thus,it would be assimilation.

[let_me_get_that_dirt_off_yo_shoulda]

Originally posted by: Musclebobbuffpants
At my school there are alot of girls that are bisexual. (for little kids who dont know, bisexual means u like boys and girls, not liking them like friends but sexually liking them) This one girl that I went out with like 8 years ago, so I was in 1st grade at that time, she is now bisexual because she thinks that guys wont accept her or something like that and someone said on these forums that girls go for older men because they think that guys their age wont be mature enough..... so does anyone know why most girls go bisexual?

cuz ya gotta get.that.dirt off yo shouldas