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[oni roh]

Keep religion out of government

^^Are you American? Cause if you are, and you thought about what you just said you would take back every word of it. I myself don't practice what i preach but its something we NEED, this country was BUILT on the christian religion.

It's not a sin against me, it's between the individual and God.

Nicely put. If you ask me either be homosexual, or straight. Being in between or bisexual is nothing but an act of "Lust" and IMO is wrong, its purely sexual with no basis on love which should be the basis in all relationships.

[Legendary Nin]

You can't base a government on religion for this simple reason.No religion is better than another,so you can't put one above another because all of them can't prove what they preach.

[oni roh]

liek i said america's consitution waS written out of religion, i think its just nonsense how they get rid of prayer in schools,games, etc. kids aren't as exposed to god as they were 50 years ago and now look how we are?

[Swallow Your Soul]

EDIT - referring to Oni Roh

I know I said I'd shut up but I gotta say thats a fucking ignorant thing to say. Who the fuck are you to say bisexuals only act on lust? If you're don't understand something you're not in a position to make stupid comments like that.

JFC I don't know why people just can't say "I couldn't give a fuck what people do - its none of my business and affects me in no way whatsoever so why should I even care who they want to be with or are attracted to?"

[Legendary Nin]

Originally posted by: oni roh
liek i said america's consitution waS written out of religion, i think its just nonsense how they get rid of prayer in schools,games, etc. kids aren't as exposed to god as they were 50 years ago and now look how we are?

And do you think America is right? I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion,but no single country has done as much wrong as the US.What something might have been based on 200 years ago may not be appropriate 200 years later.Also,christianity took lives.Who torchered all the Indians,raped them of their land,forced them into residential schools,christians.That's just an example,I could go on if needed,but this is not the thread to do it in.

[Mut]

everyone is a christian inside [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] *WINK*WINK*

[Poiple Weezard]

Now is my time to get back into the discussion. Christianity didn't take lives. What some Christians did, they were wrong to do. They operated against the practices and beliefs of the Bible. There have been atrocities thoughout the ages commited by Christians (as have been by members of other religions) but if that person's actions weren't representative of the teachings they were supposed to follow, how can it be Christianity that took those lives?

EDIT: This thread is probably gonna take a bad path since religion is involved. If someone wants to come in and stop it, go ahead, but since a member is flaming the religion that I believe in, I had to say something.

[oni roh]

TextI know I said I'd shut up but I gotta say thats a fucking ignorant thing to say. Who the fuck are you to say bisexuals only act on lust? If you're don't understand something you're not in a position to make stupid comments like that.

ok obviously the idiot here is YOU. here lets explore the mind of a bisexual here "Well i like doing a guy but i also like eating out a girl at the same time" LUST???? I rest my case, fights and flaming start in a diffrence in opinion, it takes a mature person to accept what one thinks and to not condem him for what he thinks (like you who did the opposite of) heres the fact

HOW MANY BI-SEXUALS DO YOU KNOW THAT ""LOVE"" A MAN AND A WOMAN? its ust dumb it goes against everything religion stands for, and thats why i believe bisexual is mostly lust. I hold nothing against you, as you should hold nothing against me because we are nothing but two people with a dissagreance in opinion.

TextAnd do you think America is right? I don't want to get into a lengthy discussion,but no single country has done as much wrong as the US.What something might have been based on 200 years ago may not be appropriate 200 years later.Also,christianity took lives.Who torchered all the Indians,raped them of their land,forced them into residential schools,christians.That's just an example,I could go on if needed,but this is not the thread to do it in.

what do you think i was saying? and i wasn't talking about 200 years ago, if you were smart enough you would look at the fact. HOW many times have you heard about a kid in the 1940's bringing a gun into school and murdering 20 or so of his classmates? NOT MANY but then you look at today and what do you see? MULTIPLE cases of this, and whats the MAJOR diffrence? RELIGION! kids back then were basically forced to believe in god (DON'T GET ME WRONG I DON'T THINK THIS IS RIGHT) but i'd rather force a kid to believe in god then to let him be atheist and have NO MORALS and kill 20 people. Don't take me wrong, i dont' think its right to force anythign upon anybody, but its the facts that tell me what i think should be done.

[Mut]

religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

[rEkKaShInObI]

Originally posted by: dazzz
religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

True True.

[kbial]

Originally posted by: rEkKaShInObI

Originally posted by: dazzz
religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

True True.

Very true. And people should not be juged by thier religion, whatever it may be.

[oni roh]

religion has nothing to do with a kid bringing a gun to school and emptying out a clip.

IMO only true in peoples eyes today, i'm only 17 so what would i know right? But i still look at it this way, soceity as a whole has changed. Years ago people/media/religion was all intertwined, prayer was in school/games/home/everywhere. You may say religion has nothing to do with it now, but how many kids you know took those guns into chatholic schools?????? There you go you have heard none. The fact is is prayer was as big of a part of society as it was 40 years or so ago things might be diffrent. Dissagree with me all you want but i think its true. Of course America is so f*ked up now nothing is gonna bring it back.

[Swallow Your Soul]

Oni Roh, being bisexual myself, I think I can well understand the mind of one. Bisexuals do NOT WANT TO FUCK MEMBERS OF EITHER SEX AT THE SAME TIME! At least I don't anyway, I just find myself capable of being attracted to members of both sexes, it doesn't mean I want a boyfriend and a girlfriend at the same time! Or a threesome or anything like that either.

The fact it goes against religion means nothing to me as I'm personally not religious.

The plain fact is you clearly don't understand the first thing about being bisexual besides the attraction of both sexes, why can't you just take people as they are and let them do what they want to do...

I disagree that religion should have an impact on the lives of the non-religious, so saying it goes against all religion stands for has no meaning as a religion is a persons choice, if they have their beliefs then fine I totally support that but people must realise that saying bisexuality is based on lust goes completely against, not only what I believe, but what I am.

I can imagine how hard it can be for some people, particularly those on the more conservative side to understand how someone can be attracted to both sexes without it being just pure lust, but just take my word for it, bisexuality does not mean someone is so horny that they'll fuck anyone. People vary in gender and sexuality, its just the way it is, and most don't 'become' gay, bi, or transgendered, I can't give a concrete reason as to why (as pretty much no-one has ever been able to) but the most believeable reason I've heard is that it has to do with the level of certain hormones a child receives while in the womb...

I don't hold anything against you or anyone on this forum but you must be able to see why I take exception to people criticising my sexuality...it comes down to more than a difference in opinion because opinions can change if a person can be convinced otherwise, my sexuality can't. Its not just a disagreement it is someone telling me that me and people like me are fundamentally wrong in they way they are so I can't help but get a bit insulted...

[oni roh]

why can't you just take people as they are and let them do what they want to do...

did i say i haven't? its just what i think, i can understand that you can the wrong idea from what i am saying. I never said i had a problem with accepting bi's or homosexuals for that matter.

but the most believeable reason I've heard is that it has to do with the level of certain hormones a child receives while in the womb...

to tell you the truth i don't believe in scientific reasoning behind people being gay or bi, you said yourself you don't really know why. For me there are certain things i believe to be right as opposed to certain things that i believe are true if you can understand. I dont believe that being attracted to both sexes is wrong, but i do believe that given a diffrent perspective on everything in soceity from birth changes outlooks. (keep an open mind to what i'm gonna say and not flame me too bad) I think that if someone gay was never exposed to our culture/media and brought up in an enviroment that it just wasn't an option, they would have a totally diffrent outlook on things then being with a same sex partner. And that goes either ways. Of course this can't be 100 percent true otherwise gay couples would have never showed up anywhere.

As for what i was saying it being an act of lust its just what i've seen, i've never seen someone fall in love with both genders (no i don't mean at the same time) but more just sexual attraction, and for that i always looked at it as lust.

If you ask me it has to do with... "If you give a mouse a cookie he's gonna want some milk" kind of thing. America and most of the world gave people so many freedoms and years later nations were molded into things that before were unspeakable acts of blasphemy. (and no that doesn't mean that i don't enjoy these freedoms and take them for granted, its the what i believe to be right and what i believe to be true thing.)

[Swallow Your Soul]

I do disagree with the media thing and such but I do believe environment can often have a role to further develop a person's tendancies, and I guess the media, for better or worse have a role in that, so maybe in a somewhat indirect way they do. But then the media are also affected by the environment [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img].

I will always disagree with the more conservative religions on certain such principles (including the concept of sin and hell etc) as I'm a pretty liberal minded person but it doesn't bother me enough to be that much to attack someone too bad for it...unless there is a misinterpretation

For the first quote, it was only partially aimed at you, I was making more of a generic point towards the quite strange 'as long as they don't try to fuck me i don't mind' ethic which I find quite confusing...

Meh, I was probably a bit touchy about it, just your earlier posts included words like wrong and the whole lust thing - the lust thing kinda pissed me off last night because a lot of people see it that way...its something I hear a lot so its always a sensitive area that I sometimes end up reacting to...

Ah well, methinks one of the mods may wanna close this thread at some point seeing as its gone just a touch off in a strange direction [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]. I doubt much more can be said on the matter anyway...

[Mut]

i don't think saying the reason why catholic schools have no kids bringing guns to school because of religion isn't strong enough of a fact to support your theory considering there are more public schools compared to catholic schools. i think it's a split between parenting and kids' minds.

[Legendary Nin]

Let's look at religion,what has it done..hmm..Catholic.Let's see,ah yes.13 year old altar boys being molested by men that need viagra,thank you catholics!!!!!! I wonder how many boys John Paul had to abuse before he became the pope,haha.Religion itself goes againist itself.Face it,you believe in something you can't follow and follow something your not sure about.Your aimlessly following what your being told to follow without any proof of existence that very being.Why should such a thing control everyones lives.And what religion is proper.You can't have religion in everything unless it is one religion,but then yet that denies everyone else their rights.Thus,it would be assimilation.

[Mist Demon Zabuza]

[quote]
Originally posted by: ComeComeParadise
I can't even begin to comprehend why any would need to ban gay marriages. Seperation of Church and State? Thanks GWBush.q]

Studies have found out that gays and lesbians are the biggest consumers of this country because they dont have children, or a spouse to lose money on, so they have more to spend on themselves, Bush recognizes this, and does not wish this giant flow of income to stop, so he could fuel his war for "freedom" P.S. Attractions to male or female are messured by the level of estrogene and/or testastorone in a body, which sends signals to the brain saying that, that is or isn't sexually arrousing. In a way, we all are just creatures bound by body, no personal will what-so-ever

[Poiple Weezard]

Where did you get this information? It differs greatly from what I learned in my psychology classes.

Also, how can you expect minor consumer shopping to affect major political decisions and be enough to fuel a war?

[Mist Demon Zabuza]

to bush the most little of money is all to him, also he doesnt onkly use the gay and lesbo taxs as money, just an extra good sourse