Sigs and avas going away??

[AlbinoFury]

u want 3 here goes

1. the masses in general want them

2. They are an essential part to the character that this forum has built up for itself over time.

3. The sig community is a part of this forum, one of the most popular threads in the past month has been the sig request forum, and we had a first round of a sig contest already that had 15 participants and over 100 votes in the first round. To get rid of sigs is to alienate this part of the forums(also why some are so vocal about it)

and another for good measure.
4. I forum looks better and is more personalized with moderately sized and well regulated sigs. which you seem to grant out but deny the possibility of regulating them(thus why its my number 4)

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Power PMV
I agree with Lasaire, Kagari and Albino completely, but I don't think we should be insulting each other at all (this goes both for Kagari's low blow and for Ciber and JessiA). What I don't get is the following? If sigs were so evil and bad in the old forums why no one said anything about them until this new forum appeared?

Easier to leave them out of a new forum than it is to just pull them out of a place they've always been.


We just want to focus the forums more on *DISCUSSION* and less on people discussing how great their sigs are all day.


This forum is not about sigs and it's not supposed to revolve around them. As Jess said, we are trying to make this place as user friendly as possible and having a bunch of pictures flashing in your face in every thread you go into is not exactly user friendly now, is it?


As hard as this is for you guys to believe, the world does not revolve around your banner ad. I mean really, why call it a sig? It's a free banner ad that you get to dispay all day, every day, in every thread.

[Power PMV]

Why keep sigs?

Reason 1.
Your forum members want them, I'd think that if a majority of the forum does that would be a good enough reason. (Although I also know that you can do whatever you want with your forum and so I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to negociate pacifically and rationally)

Reason 2.
They are a very important part of the GW community, I mean we even have sig contests and out of the 6 non-mod people who had special titles (Joker-kun, animemaster, lasaire, Albinofury, itachi_ and I) 2 of them were because of their participation in sig activities.

Reason 3.
Can't you choose whether to see the sigs or not if you want? (Maybe you can't, then ignore this) If you have a slow connection or you hate sigs you can simply go to your profile and deactivate them, right?

What do you think about this Ciber? I hope I wasn't offensive at all, if I was then I apologize, it wasn't my intention I simply want to reach a good solution for everyone here.

P.S. I don't think the forum was revolving around sigs. I don't remember conversations about sigs anywhere besides the rate your sig thread or the fanart threads. (I may be totally wrong here, though)

[itachi_]

Sigs are 50 % of the whole forum, It's fun to check out others sigs and make new ones, photoshop is just too fun! I agree with Albino, power pvm, kagari, lasaire, with everything they've said, I'm sticking up to you guys..

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: AlbinoFury
u want 3 here goes

1. the masses in general want them

The masses are really uninformed and refuse to listen to reason.

2. They are an essential part to the character that this forum has built up for itself over time.

There's no progress, without change.

3. The sig community is a part of this forum, one of the most popular threads in the past month has been the sig request forum, and we had a first round of a sig contest already that had 15 participants and over 100 votes in the first round. To get rid of sigs is to alienate this part of the forums(also why some are so vocal about it)

15 people is not exactly a lot, can't please everyone all the time.

and another for good measure.
4. I forum looks better and is more personalized with moderately sized and well regulated sigs. which you seem to grant out but deny the possibility of regulating them(thus why its my number 4)

Forum does not look better with a different flashing picture in every single post. it just looks cluttered. We are trying to read, not go into a seizure. Sigs pretty much double the size of all threads. We have better things to do with the mod's time than to run around babysitting signatures.

providing support sounds like a better use of the mods time.

[Kagari]

We just want to focus the forums more on *DISCUSSION* and less on people discussing how great their sigs are all day.

This forum is not about sigs and it's not supposed to revolve around them. As Jess said, we are trying to make this place as user friendly as possible and having a bunch of pictures flashing in your face in every thread you go into is not exactly user friendly now, is it?

As hard as this is for you guys to believe, the world does not revolve around your banner ad. I mean really, why call it a sig? It's a free banner ad that you get to dispay all day, every day, in every thread.

First off, I apologize for the low blow, I was just very angry. I'll watch myself next time.

Ciber, let's review what you've said.

First of all, you think this forum should be about DISCUSSIONS....and so our thread, in the fanart forum, where we DISCUSS our sigs, doesn't fall into that category...? Since when do you determine what we get to discuss?

We don't dicuss how great our sigs are. There is no bragging, or bullying. Maybe if you had taken a moment to stop in and see, you'd notice it's not only a forum to request sigs, but also to improve them. the quality sig makers (ie. Lasaire, or Albino) Not only critique our sigs as far as looks, colours and composition, but give us tips to improve them. It sure seems like fanart to me.

Second, the entire forum doesn't revolve around sigs, and saying that having "a bunch of pictures flashing in your face" is ridiculous. I'm sure a happy medium could be found where we cannot have any "Jumpy, flashy pictures" in our sigs....not that i've seen any that fall into that category.

Finally, Banner Ad? 'Ad' is the short form of Advertisement, correct? So you're basically saying that this isn't a place for us to advertise. Advertise what? Our name? Our favourite characters/moments? Or even worse... *GASP* our artistic work? I thought advertising our thoughts and opinions was the same as discussing them.

sigs are fun. We have fun making them, and people have fun requesting and displaying them. There also seems to be many members who agree.

[itachi_]

Double the size, so what? it dosen't take longer to load if you've normal connection...

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: itachi_
Double the size, so what? it dosen't take longer to load if you've normal connection...

Yes, it does take longer to load. It's part of the reason these forums are so much faster.

[AlbinoFury]

Originally posted by: Ciber

Originally posted by: AlbinoFury
u want 3 here goes

1. the masses in general want them

The masses are really uninformed and refuse to listen to reason.
>>so pretty much ur response is that no matter what we are wrong? their is reason behind both of our arguments you just think ours is illogical cause ur on the other side of the fence, so pretty much the contention still stands its just that you don't agree with it.

2. They are an essential part to the character that this forum has built up for itself over time.

>>>There's no progress, without change. what some call progress others call degradation.

3. The sig community is a part of this forum, one of the most popular threads in the past month has been the sig request forum, and we had a first round of a sig contest already that had 15 participants and over 100 votes in the first round. To get rid of sigs is to alienate this part of the forums(also why some are so vocal about it)

15 people is not exactly a lot, can't please everyone all the time.
>>True but the 180 that participated in voting is on the other hand. point still stands.

and another for good measure.
4. I forum looks better and is more personalized with moderately sized and well regulated sigs. which you seem to grant out but deny the possibility of regulating them(thus why its my number 4)

Forum does not look better with a different flashing picture in every single post. it just looks cluttered. We are trying to read, not go into a seizure. Sigs pretty much double the size of all threads. We have better things to do with the mod's time than to run around babysitting signatures.

providing support sounds like a better use of the mods time.

>>>thats just your opinion many find it not cluttered at all and enjoy that look.

did i miss anything?

[Ciber]

You don't have much of an argument really.


Your argument consists of "We need a third way to make ourselves stand out and be unique."

Since apparently a custom avatar and a username is somehow, not enough.


We on the other hand have plenty of reasons to not want them around.

[Kagari]

You ignored my post, didn't you, ciber?

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: Kagari

We just want to focus the forums more on *DISCUSSION* and less on people discussing how great their sigs are all day.

This forum is not about sigs and it's not supposed to revolve around them. As Jess said, we are trying to make this place as user friendly as possible and having a bunch of pictures flashing in your face in every thread you go into is not exactly user friendly now, is it?

As hard as this is for you guys to believe, the world does not revolve around your banner ad. I mean really, why call it a sig? It's a free banner ad that you get to dispay all day, every day, in every thread.

First off, I apologize for the low blow, I was just very angry. I'll watch myself next time.

Ciber, let's review what you've said.

First of all, you think this forum should be about DISCUSSIONS....and so our thread, in the fanart forum, where we DISCUSS our sigs, doesn't fall into that category...? Since when do you determine what we get to discuss?

You can discuss them all you want.

We don't dicuss how great our sigs are. There is no bragging, or bullying. Maybe if you had taken a moment to stop in and see, you'd notice it's not only a forum to request sigs, but also to improve them. the quality sig makers (ie. Lasaire, or Albino) Not only critique our sigs as far as looks, colours and composition, but give us tips to improve them. It sure seems like fanart to me.

I was referring to the sigs being displayed globabally, not just the fanart section.

Second, the entire forum doesn't revolve around sigs, and saying that having "a bunch of pictures flashing in your face" is ridiculous. I'm sure a happy medium could be found where we cannot have any "Jumpy, flashy pictures" in our sigs....not that i've seen any that fall into that category.

There is no middle ground, no matter what we do, they will cry and stay or leave.

Finally, Banner Ad? 'Ad' is the short form of Advertisement, correct? So you're basically saying that this isn't a place for us to advertise. Advertise what? Our name? Our favourite characters/moments? Or even worse... *GASP* our artistic work? I thought advertising our thoughts and opinions was the same as discussing them.

Is there really a need to advertise it in every post though? You already have a custom avatar and username, as well as some space to put some text in your sig. I think that makes each and everyone one of you stand out more than enough.

You can easily display your "Artistic work" in a thread by linking it. Displaying your "Artistic work" every post is totally unnecessary.

sigs are fun. We have fun making them, and people have fun requesting and displaying them. There also seems to be many members who agree.

[lasaire]

Ciber, you seem to be ignoring the most important part about all this:

The Forum Members.

This forum is a website for people to interact. That is its primary, indeed, its ONLY purpose. It does not make money for its moderators, much as I am sure you mods, who I know spend a great deal of time working here, wish. It does not promote any large scale goal, besides the discussion and spread of anime. (Again, discussion. Meaning, PEOPLE.) It is not meant to be an informative site: there are any number of those available on the internet.

If the MAJORITY of the users of this forum, those very users who make this forum fulfil its purpose and make it enjoyable, want sigs available, it should be so. We are, after all, a body of people meeting to talk about things, and if the opinion of the majority is blatantly ignored, this site might as well not exist save only as a private forum for the moderators and those who subscribe to every aspect of their point of view. Doesn't sound very productive to DISCUSSION, does it?

[itachi_]

This forum is like Cuba or Haiti, and ciber is fidel castro, or a rebelgroup who won't listen to the society?

Listen! to the people! alow sigs

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
Ciber, you seem to be ignoring the most important part about all this:

The Forum Members.

This forum is a website for people to interact. That is its primary, indeed, its ONLY purpose. It does not make money for its moderators, much as I am sure you mods, who I know spend a great deal of time working here, wish. It does not promote any large scale goal, besides the discussion and spread of anime. (Again, discussion. Meaning, PEOPLE.) It is not meant to be an informative site: there are any number of those available on the internet.

If the MAJORITY of the users of this forum, those very users who make this forum fulfil its purpose and make it enjoyable, want sigs available, it should be so. We are, after all, a body of people meeting to talk about things, and if the opinion of the majority is blatantly ignored, this site might as well not exist save only as a private forum for the moderators and those who subscribe to every aspect of their point of view. Doesn't sound very productive to DISCUSSION, does it?

By your line of thinking, countries should lower/stop charging taxes. Just because people want something, does not mean it's the best solution.

[lasaire]

There are some simple solutions available here, if mods would only listen to reason:

1) Make viewing sigs as an option, much the same way as we can change the color theme of this new site as an option.

2) Hold a vote. Majority rules. Minority keeps their mouth shut.

3) Ignore the forum users and watch the threads dwindle as people leave and subscription die down as bad word of mouth goes around the net.

Personally, I think the first two options are very plainly better than the third one.
Are there any mods who would care to answer reasonably to my suggestions, rather than simply insult my intelligence for daring to have an opinion?

If the first one is logistically impossible due to coding, then fine, somebody with the knowledge give me a definate answer.

Edit: Oh, and Ciber,

By your line of thinking, countries should lower/stop charging taxes. Just because people want something, does not mean it's the best solution

People in these countries DO have an option: they vote for the leader who offers lower taxes. If he is not elected, then they at least have the comfort of knowing the decision was fair.

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
There are some simple solutions available here, if mods would only listen to reason:

1) Make viewing sigs as an option, much the same way as we can change the color theme of this new site as an option.

2) Hold a vote. Majority rules. Minority keeps their mouth shut.

3) Ignore the forum users and watch the threads dwindle as people leave and subscription die down as bad word of mouth goes around the net.

Personally, I think the first two options are very plainly better than the third one.
Are there any mods who would care to answer reasonably to my suggestions, rather than simply insult my intelligence for daring to have an opinion?

If the first one is logistically impossible due to coding, then fine, somebody with the knowledge give me a definate answer.

Edit: Oh, and Ciber,

By your line of thinking, countries should lower/stop charging taxes. Just because people want something, does not mean it's the best solution

People in these countries DO have an option: they vote for the leader who offers lower taxes. If he is not elected, then they at least have the comfort of knowing the decision was fair.

Sigs have a lot of negatives and very few, if any, positives. Yet "the people" are going for it anyway.


Sometimes the people don't know any better.

There's a reason governments don't let "the people" vote on every decision. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

[Kagari]

Most of the time, It's the government's idodic ideals that ruin an entire people's reputation....much like bush and the USA. So, bad analogy, mr. ciber.

[lasaire]

So basically, ciber, you called me and everyone else who feels sigs are a good thing, stupid to our faces.

And yes, governments don't let the people make all the decisions, but for those of us who are American, Canadian, British, Japanese or French, the major decision makers in all cases (barring Her Majesty) are elected, and the power of the popular vote holds great sway.

It angers me that you respond to me with opinions instead of definate answers.

[Ciber]

Originally posted by: lasaire
So basically, ciber, you called me and everyone else who feels sigs are a good thing, stupid to our faces.

And yes, governments don't let the people make all the decisions, but for those of us who are American, Canadian, British, Japanese or French, the major decision makers in all cases (barring Her Majesty) are elected, and the power of the popular vote holds great sway.

It angers me that you respond to me with opinions instead of definate answers.

There's no need for the childish tantrum in your sig, all you're showing us is how immature you both are.