Summoning no jutsu!

[Someonemanr]

I noticed this myself and here's the explanation I came up with. I think the touching, either of the ground or the tree or the person's back(why couldn't Kakashi use the ground? ;0) ), is used for control purposes, when Naruto summoned Gamabunta he wasn't trying to summon Gamabunta specifically he was merely using the summon technique, remember Jiraiya was surprised when Naruto summoned him? This also was due to the enormous Kyuubi chakra Naruto used, but I think using a stable surface might be a way to control which summon comes out, ie. using the persons back for Kakashi to summon the small dog Pakkun. That's my idea, the other ones work too though, *shrugs*.

[RoMuLuu]

In my opinion Hokage didn't have to touch the three to summon the monkey. The hand gesture is just used to show where the animal (or any creature summoned, in this case it would be monkey) should be summoned. There is information about this in Narutoguide. You can check it in http://narutoguide.narutofan.com/chakra_seals.htm Take a look at the "Other Hand Gestures". There it says: "This hand gesture is used at the end of a Summoning Seal, to indicate where the animals should appear." So if the summoner wan't to summon the creature in the air like Naruto, then thay just simply touch nothing (or ok, touch air). And of course the third wanted to summon the monkey on the trhee, not next to it. Because he didn't want the monkey to fall down as you maybe already realized.

[Kiba'N'Akamaru]

But Isn't Kakashi's element earth? So isn't that why he has to touch the earth, If you remember, those dogs originally come from the ground to grab Zabuza. so maybe that has something to do with it.

[Assertn]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kiba&#39;N&#39;Akamaru @ Feb 22 2004, 05:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> But Isn&#39;t Kakashi&#39;s element earth? So isn&#39;t that why he has to touch the earth, If you remember, those dogs originally come from the ground to grab Zabuza. so maybe that has something to do with it. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
kakashi&#39;s element is earth? if anything i would say lightning, since his ONLY original technique is the lightning edge. If you consider all the other jutsus he can use, then he can do both earth and water types...as well as countless others.

Having the dogs come out from underground was probably done as an ambush tactic...what i wonder about is why attacking kakashi&#39;s scroll was the weakness to defeating the dog summons when most summons arent even done through scrolls.

[Shinji Ikari]

You haven&#39;t thought about the possibility that the summoners just want to be nice and give the summons some ground to stand on?

That might be the reason.

[Assertn]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Shinji Ikari @ Feb 22 2004, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You haven&#39;t thought about the possibility that the summoners just want to be nice and give the summons some ground to stand on?

That might be the reason. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
maybe thats why gama bunta was totally pissed when naruto summoned him

[kimunist]

ninjas dont have assigned elements...

this isnt like some rpg where they have to...

for instance, just because kakashi is a leaf genin he *technically* should only be using fire ninpo, but he doesnt...

that goes for the hokages...if they were certain elements, they would soley be focusing on that element, while the 3rd hokage used earth, fire, and summoning jutsus and kage bunshins...

and this whole summoning thing...i dont know, its gone too deep to the point where i cannot add anything to say.

[Mut]

some things don&#39;t need any discussion whatsoever. it&#39;s just common sense and logical. one can summon anything anywhere as long as it&#39;s summoned at an area (ground, air, etc) that&#39;s the most suitable, efficient, and convinient for the user and the summoning. ie: naruto had to summon the gamabunta in mid air cuz there was no way he was gonna do it when he hits the ground and no way he&#39;s gonna do it on the walls of the cliff cuz he&#39;d keep falling and gamabunta would&#39;ve been summoned on top of him. so, naruto had to summon it in the area below him, which was air. for kakashi, he had to summon the dogs on/under the ground cuz that&#39;s what they are for. to trap the opponent through an elemen of surprise by coming out of the ground (where he&#39;d least expect it from). IT&#39;S THAT SIMPLE.

EDIT: from what kishimoto has shown us, i think all summons are done through scrolls. the scrolls may not necessarily be needed to during the summoning process, but it&#39;s needed to sign a contract with the summons before they can summon.

[Kiba'N'Akamaru]

Its not that Kakashi can only use Earth element no jutsus, its that the specific dog-nin justsu is elemental earth. Here is the info on the one that Kakashi uses on Zabuza when he first sunmmons the Dogs...

Doton: Tsuiga no Jutsu (Earth Type: Earth Tracking Fang Technique)

Doton (earth type) Ninjutsu technique designed to incorporate the Kuchiyose no Jutsu (Summoning Technique) into a fast-paced tracking technique aiming to find, surprise, and incapacitate the enemy. The summoning ninja must have signed a contract with summoning dogs to perform this attack. They must then perform the Kuchiyose no Jutsu and summon said dogs, who will then burrow underground and track down their target, digging their teeth into them and weighing them down. This leaves the victim wide open to attack.

[Assertn]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz &#064; Feb 22 2004, 06:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>some things don&#39;t need any discussion whatsoever. it&#39;s just common sense and logical. one can summon anything anywhere as long as it&#39;s summoned at an area (ground, air, etc) that&#39;s the most suitable, efficient, and convinient for the user and the summoning. ie: naruto had to summon the gamabunta in mid air cuz there was no way he was gonna do it when he hits the ground and no way he&#39;s gonna do it on the walls of the cliff cuz he&#39;d keep falling and gamabunta would&#39;ve been summoned on top of him. so, naruto had to summon it in the area below him, which was air. for kakashi, he had to summon the dogs on/under the ground cuz that&#39;s what they are for. to trap the opponent through an elemen of surprise by coming out of the ground (where he&#39;d least expect it from). IT&#39;S THAT SIMPLE.

EDIT: from what kishimoto has shown us, i think all summons are done through scrolls. the scrolls may not necessarily be needed to during the summoning process, but it&#39;s needed to sign a contract with the summons before they can summon.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
well if people felt the need to ask the question....then you cant just say it goes without saying

First, in every scenario when a summon is performed, some black markings spread across a surface where the summon is supposed to appear. I would assume this holds some sort of significance (perhaps as a portal or something that opens up on the ground). Also, it would have been more convenient for sarutobi to summon enma without having to strain himself to reach for a branch, but yet, he did. So you cant just say that someone can summon things in midair if they feel like it. I&#39;d believe either the fact that its kyubi&#39;s power or that the air is pressing up against naruto because of him freefalling as the excuse for doing it, but these conclusions were derived from discussing.....not just something expected for the general viewing audience to immediately realize. I&#39;m sure its not the series intention to be too complicated by any means, but this is how devoted fans of the series try to better comprehend the things that havent been explicitly explained, and in the process also perhaps discover interesting details that might have otherwise been overlooked.

oh and Kiba &#39;n&#39; Akamaru, I wont argue with ya that kakashi used an earth element jutsu for summoning the dogs at the bridge, but also keep in mind that the way he summoned them was rather abnormal from most summoning methods. It&#39;s our understanding that basic summoning methods don&#39;t require any special element, and it probably didnt require an earth type when he summoned Pakkun on the guy&#39;s back. Maybe he combined summoning with that beheading jutsu thingy he used on sasuke to ambush zabuza.

[Uchiha-Itachi]

Well i just figured something out also.. Normally you touch the ground cuz you want to have your summon land &quot;softly&quot;&quot;..

Therefore its not needed to touch the ground or whatsoever to summon. You can stand on a cliff do the summon jutsu in mid-air and poof there goes your summon down the cliff

Well since naruto had no choice and gamabunta is big enough they got saved

.. you get the point, its just a matter of safety and comfort for your summon to do touch the ground

[boomorman]

... If the king of monkeys can&#39;t take an 8 foot drop to the ground wtf... he shouldn&#39;t be the king nor should he be summoned to fight vs two dead hokages.

[MadMachine]

I think Kakashi had to use the scroll because he had to summon multiple dogs to do a specific purpose not to just come out.

Yeah also I think you can summon anywhere but I think it is better for the summon to be done on the ground because I am sure they would prefer to be summoned on the ground instead off of a cliff.

[Xollence]

Yeah I think as long as there is pressure, you can summon anywhere. By the way was Pakkun one of the dogs that were summoned during the Haku fight?

[Power PMV]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Xollence @ Feb 23 2004, 02:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah I think as long as there is pressure, you can summon anywhere. By the way was Pakkun one of the dogs that were summoned during the Haku fight? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I think so, although at the moment he seemed to be the most useless one.

[Krbadass]

I don&#39;t find it as a big deal although it is annoying how they don&#39;t explain it..

[Shinji Ikari]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (AssertnFailure @ Feb 22 2004, 06:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Shinji Ikari &#064; Feb 22 2004, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You haven&#39;t thought about the possibility that the summoners just want to be nice and give the summons some ground to stand on?

That might be the reason. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
maybe thats why gama bunta was totally pissed when naruto summoned him </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well at least Gama bunta complained about the place he was summoned, so who knows

[Mut]

i&#39;m sure the black markings are significant in their own way, but mainly for visual effects (it looks cool). and kyubi chakra has nothing to do with summoning. it just extra super-strong power, not anything more special than naruto&#39;s crap chakra. and also for, sarutobi&#39;s summoning style, i explained it in the post you quoted.

&quot;one can summon anything anywhere as long as it&#39;s summoned at an area (ground, air, etc) that&#39;s the most suitable, efficient, and convinient for the user and the summoning.&quot;

yeah, it would&#39;ve been more convinient for sarutobi to do just do it in mid air, but i guess that particular summon needs to be summoned on a solid surface.

[HarukoSZ]

I heard it was a cartoon, and it doesnt have to make sense ......

[Assertn]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HarukoSZ @ Feb 24 2004, 03:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I heard it was a cartoon, and it doesnt have to make sense ...... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
thank you Haruko, your input has contributed significantly to our discussion




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