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[xtort]

I have to agree with Hatake Kakashi. Kishimoto is bogging down. I think what's happened is that he had a great idea, and right in the middle of it, he's over-reaching because the idea that was great turned out... a little plodding when implemented. This is extremely common of anime and manga. A great story gets a little tiresome and then BAM, the end. They need to rush the end because they realized that the couple episodes leading up to the end drew things out way too far. And jeez, this is definitely drawing out too far.

It's tough to put together these huge stories and keep a cohesion that interests people. I'm definitely starting to flag in my love for the story. There was definitely a time when I looked forward to the story without reservation. Now, I figure I might as well not read the story for several months, and come back at a bi-monthly interval to monitor Kishimoto's glacial progress through what's turning out to be a predictable morass. (Hmmm, I wonder what's going to happen next week. Perhaps another fight with the genin who somehow match up with the equivalent of the Sound Village's ANBU?)

Don't get me wrong. I'm addicted to the story, and hate that fact.

-xtortout

[Insomniac]

put yourself in Kishimotos shoes for a second here, after seeing the major sucess of the anime hes starting to develop the manga so it will complement the anime moreso and please his target audience.
for him he wouldnt really care if a few english readers were getting bored with the current storyline if the majority of the japanese audience liked it (which they do)

i think the major problem for most people here is that its not involving anyone but genins, (every other saga has involved jounins and higher) and people are starting to get bored with the limits of genins.
if you were a fan of any of the characters fighting you'd love these manga chapters, if you were a fan of the higher level nins then you'd hate these chapters.


also one last thing, with repitative comments of 'how dull' the story is getting what are you trying to achieve? we know thats how you feel about it but complaining about it here isnt going to change anything, are you trying to get more people to dislike it also?

[Winged Dancer]

Meh, y'people shouldn't complain about the manga's length. If it was any shorter, you'd complain it was rushed, don't deny it. Whether you want it or not, or whether you think its too slow or not, the manga will be looong. One Piece is at chapter 291 or so (not sure) and the end is not in sight... Just list what we need to see in Naruto before it ends.

- Kakashi's past
- Kabuto's past
- Naruto's past (his lineage and all)
- Whats the real deal with the 4th?
- Orochimaru's death/end/whatever
- Everything related to Akatsuki. (and I insist we need Oro out of the picture before Akatsuki can fully and completely develop into the new bad-guy/group)
- Itachi.
- Itachi and Sasuke's fight.
- Rock Lee's surgery and recovery.

Anything else?
All in all, thinking that story-arcs take around 40 chapters to finish, I say we have enough for at the very least 150 more chapters, if not more.

I, for one, would rather have a slow-paced, well-explained, clear manga than one that goes faster but leaves things unexplained or full of plot holes. Because there's nothing I hate more than a series which, at the end, explains/achieves nothing... like the Wolf's Rain anime.

[Vagabond]

I like it just the way it is.
Some of you guys want change but like WD said if it were to change then you guys would just find something else to complain about.

[Uzumaki Kakashi]

good point. i think this manga will be 400 or more chapters if u ask em. maybe 500. aslong as everything is explained im happy.

[PSJ]

good point winged dancer. i think ppl complain just for the sake of complaining. its no use complaining, the reason why you guys feel that the manga is going no where is because its 1 chapter a week. its about 20 - 25 chapters since the chase started and that is roughly 2 volumes which you read in about 1 ½ - 2 hours if you read in a nomral pace. thats not as much as you guys seem to think it is. just read the part again and you wont feel the same.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

thanks am now dling at 2.7 megs, o never mind im finished only tookl 5 secs

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winged Dancer @ Feb 20 2004, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As for Naruto... I was hoping that he&#39;d get to punch Kimimaro at least once. Ah, he&#39;ll do that later, after receiving a good beating. I have to agree that Naruto&#39;s fights are repetitive, but that&#39;s kind of what I like about the character - he&#39;s not a genius with 1568 tricks under his sleeve, nor does he have any bloodline ability nor even a family jutsu. He&#39;s a begginer with three good moves and he does what he can. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
yeah, he has something more powerful than a crazy bloodline or a family jutsu. KYUBI CHAKRA.

<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>LAME</span>

[xtort]

I agree insom. It won&#39;t change a thing; the criticism is just that.

I&#39;d say that the reason I&#39;m bitching is exactly the reason you defended him: he&#39;s doing what he&#39;s doing to compliment the anime. That means, he&#39;s doing it to the exclusion of the story, which for massive chunks of time becomes non-existent. It&#39;d be nice for him to say, &quot;man, I had a great thing going. And it was all because of the story. Why don&#39;t I get back to that?&quot;

As far as Naruto being in the action category, that&#39;s been only recent. Think of the first 5 episodes. There was comedy, fighting, story, and character development.

In the past 10 manga issues, try to pick out the comedy, story, and character development. Let me help you... *places a microscope on the table*

-xtortout

[Winged Dancer]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz @ Feb 20 2004, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winged Dancer &#064; Feb 20 2004, 03:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As for Naruto... I was hoping that he&#39;d get to punch Kimimaro at least once. Ah, he&#39;ll do that later, after receiving a good beating. I have to agree that Naruto&#39;s fights are repetitive, but that&#39;s kind of what I like about the character - he&#39;s not a genius with 1568 tricks under his sleeve, nor does he have any bloodline ability nor even a family jutsu. He&#39;s a begginer with three good moves and he does what he can. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
yeah, he has something more powerful than a crazy bloodline or a family jutsu. KYUBI CHAKRA.

<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'>LAME</span> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah, whatever, he&#39;s so friggin powerful that mostly everybody can kick his ass until the last second, in which he ends up winning.... this is a shounen manga, the main character is suppossed to have some ultra-great power which he only uses in the last second. Get over it. All other shounen manga are the same. Dragon Ball. Yu Yu Hakusho. Hunter X Hunter. 666 Satan. Even Yu-Gi-Oh seems to have that. It&#39;s what shounen manga is about - ultimate powers, lengthy fights, and (most of the time) a half-moronic hero who is overly-strong but too clumsy.

If you don&#39;t like the idea, go read a shoujo, or a seinen. Go read Saigo Heiki Kanojo (SaiKano), that is a good, ultra-power-less manga full of the drama and/or plot you all seem to desire....

[Legendary Nin]

Kiba&#39;s father had a big wolf,could be a hint as to what Kiba would have later.

[Insomniac]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> He needs to curl up and die. He&#39;s had his spotlight, now it&#39;s time for him to move on. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

if Orochimaru dies then so do alot of the unrevealed secrets in Naruto, out of anyone in the entire series Oro has the capicity of knowledge about different characters such as Itachi, Kakashi &amp; Kabuto&#39;s past.
if you think that Orochimaru&#39;s going to die then geez what series have you been reading - OBVIOUSLY hes going to live on for a long time due to the fact that hes got himself a new body.

[Vagabond]

lol @ winged dancer

I also think Orochimaru needs to live. The story will probably change focus after this arc but you just can&#39;t kill off Orochimaru. I assume sasuke will go to Oro and naruto and co will leave or something. And then somehow the akatsuki comes into the picture.

So basically my point is that Oro doesn&#39;t necessarily need to die for the story to progress, the story just need to focus on some other villin.

[Mut]

what the hell.

ummm, naruto&#39;s fighting style is absolutely boring as hell. i can probably predict what&#39;s gonna happen next and i think a lot of others can too.

non-boring fighting styles:

kakashi
sannins
itachi
hokage
gai/lee
sasuke

to me naruto (the character) is boring to watch cuz it&#39;s ALWAYS kage bunshin no jutsu &gt; rush in &gt; all clones get whooped and then: rasengan or summon gamabunta and if everything fails, kyubi chakra. and process repeats until victory.

zZzZZZzzZZZzZZzzz...

wake me up when someone exciting fights. where is the sleepy smiley?

[Insomniac]

the main reason why people are getting bored with this arc is the lack of higher level nin&#39;s basically, in every other arc there were jounins fighting as well - even hokage level battles.

[Insomniac]

once the genins fights have been concluded the story will improve, you&#39;ll just have to wait
i&#39;m not hating this arc although i do think they could have finished some of the fights earlier by making them more then just one genin vs one sound nin.

you cant expect such a long running series to stay constantly good all the time, even kenshin had its bad moments. every long running series has a &#39;slow&#39; moving time but then it recovers - once the fights are done with the story will recover.

[AlbinoFury]

im tending to agree with winged, i mean most of the people here bitch profusely yet somehow they enjoy naruto enough to read close to 4 thousand pages of it, thats right 4 thousand pages if you average 19 pages for 205 chapters. With that being said i enjoy naruto profusely and i only bitch about bitchers(cyclic maybe?) newho naruto 2 thumbs up&#33; unless neji dies then i will join the legion of constant moaners and bitchers, hehehe.

btw is it just me or does this emoticon look like someone whacked it in the head with a shovel?

[Mut]

from the looks of it i can bitch about the character naruto as much as i want and still have no problem with the series naruto. but i&#39;m sure you guys can see that.

[AlbinoFury]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz @ Feb 20 2004, 08:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> from the looks of it i can bitch about the character naruto as much as i want and still have no problem with the series naruto. but i&#39;m sure you guys can see that. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
i think we all just gave up on listening to you anyway, we can make the logical jump. youll say x, then itachi is better than x, x is upholdable for all cases x except for itachi. i kid i kid

btw what do you think itachi vs itachi? who would win? lol

[Winged Dancer]

Heheheheh, I&#39;m with Albino Fury here sure, y&#39;all go ahead and bitch about Naruto and Kiba and whatever, I know that you still like the manga - I&#39;ll just keep bitching about bitchers and whining about whiners.
Hey, I think we are all part of the fandom... there&#39;s the haters, there&#39;s the lovers, there&#39;s the hater&#39;s haters, and then there&#39;s the yaoi fangirls, which is one kind of fan I&#39;m sure everybody here dislikes/is afraid of...

...hey, at least I hate the idea of Sasuke and Kakashi making out. Eeeew, just sends shivers down my spine...

Also, I&#39;m not saying Orochimaru should die now. I agree with Insomnias... Orochimaru still has a share of secrets to reveal, from Kabuto to the Akatsuki, and he got a new body, so he&#39;s not dying of old age any soon.

I, however, stilll think that he needs to die before we can fully move onto the Akatsuki. But he wont die for, say, around 80 or 100 more chapters.
Then again, he might not die at all.
....but given he&#39;s a bad guy, he&#39;s bound to die sometime before the manga ends.
And since Itachi&#39;s definitely stronger than Oro, then Oro has to die before Itachi does.