The Depth of the Manga

[Death BOO Z]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jing @ Feb 18 2004, 07:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> personally i thought that if they ended naruto at zabuza saga it might have been oerfect.
so does anyone wanna think of an alternative ending which might occur after zabuza saga?? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Sasuke stays dead, everybody&#39;s happy.

[Raven]

I personally wouldn&#39;t be happy if Sasuke died, don&#39;t generalise like that.

Hatake Kakashi, you made some good points, and I agree with you to a certain extent, although I am enjoying the current arc.
I believe that the deepness and emotion will return as soon as Itachi enters the storyline on a more permanent basis.

[Insomniac]

i cant say that i hate this arc, its the most fight heavy arc theres been. It&#39;ll be awesome animated but obviously some people are expecting the whole series to be just Zabuza and Haku &#39;like&#39;

there have been plenty of deep moments since then i dont know how you can say its lacking depth.
Zabuza and Haku was the stepping stone for Naruto to get accepted as a series, it was the hookline that got alot of people watching and liking it but if you&#39;re expecting the same kind of things over and over then honestly shouldnt you be watching a drama?

on a side note: Kimimaro is going through the same thing as Haku, being used as a tool even if it means his death.

[PSJ]

personally i cant see why everybody cries over the haku arc and that it was so good. first of it was the wave country arc not haku, he was just a side chracter brought in to give some sadness... i think the improtant part in the wave country arc was naruto&#39;s feelings towards the stuff that happened not which characters that died or had a sad past sure it adds feeling to it but the improtant part is still naruto&#39;s feelings. that is what we miss out in the recent arc. thats why we dont like it. i dont think it is wrong with some fighting but something have to happen after all this fighting, something emotional.

[Vagabond]

I think the thing that is bothering people is that we have to wait. I dunno how long you guys have been watching the anime and reading the manga but i doubt you&#39;ve been waiting each week since 1999 to read the manga. During the wave country arc nothing seemed dragged out because when you read a chapter you didn&#39;t have another week to read the next chapter it was already available. But now when we read on chapter we have to wait a week for the next one to come out. It makes it seem really dragged out but it is really only our imagination.

I dunno.

[PSJ]

could be that cause the arc with sound 4 is roughly about 20 - 25 chapters this far and that isnt much. you read that in like 1 hour.

[villin]

The problem as I see it is that Kishimoto overlooked the prime opportunity to keep the story advancing. That was the introduction of the Atasuki organization. Here he had a perfect opportunity to move from the more Orochimaru centered main bad guy role to the main villains being the Atasuki group. The perfect tie in was Itachi&#39;s relationship between both Orochimaru and Sasgay. He could have had Sasgay side with Orochimaru only for both of them to get owned by Itachi and his newly captured demon Gaara. Thus leading us to a storyline involving the lust for power of the Atasuki organization and the introduction of new members of the Atasuki. This is the inevitable direction of the storyline and by dragging out the current story arc far beyond where it should have ended is really bringing down the enjoyment of the story in my opinion.

[jing]

i agree with shino.. hasn&#39;t done much of importance yet
but i like hinata, so i rather have her on.
same with gaara. gaara needs new move though...

[Hatake Kakashi]

Alright, I was thinking back to the Wave Country arc, and realized that during that time, this series was deep. It was just starting out and Kishimoto had a lot going in regards to the plot, even though it was not really all thought out yet.

The relationship between the 3 Gennin and Kakashi was very well done. Naruto being jealous of Sasuke, Sakura having a crush on Sasuke, and Sasuke&#39;s mysterious motives were yet to be fully revealed to us, so he was/is damn cool.

Then their is the whole thing with Kaiza saving the village, then Gatto really tearing him up to make an example out of him. We haven&#39;t seen anything that [i]demented[/i for quite some time.

Then their is the friendship between Naruto and Inari. It wasn&#39;t very complicated, but tell me you didn&#39;t almost shed a tear at the conclusion of the Wave Country Arc, especially when you saw it animated.

To top it all of we have the entire Tool Called Shinobi thing between Haku and Zabuza. A complicated and a bit confusing relationship which Kishimoto has still not come close to developing again.

I am not sure if anyone else is with me, but I think he wussed out on us.

Their are times where he has come close to this level of manga quality like:

Tsunade&#39;s Phobia
Itachi/Sasuke Flashback
Sandaime&#39;s Family Speech while fighting Orochimaru.
Chouji&#39;s Sacrafice-Shikamaru&#39;s friendship
Neji&#39;s hatred for the Hyuga

All good storylines, but I don&#39;t feel the same way for them as I do for the stuff that happened in Wave Country.

But really, I still don&#39;t think that the depth of this series is up to par with the Wave County Arc.

Especially the recent &quot;Lets chase Sasuke in a barrel through the woods for 4 months&quot; thing. Sure people are going all suicide and stuff, but it just seems like taking the easy way out.

I don&#39;t know, perhaps this is just because the Wave Country arc was the first, it will always be the one to top in my mind.

Let me know what you think.

[Hatake Kakashi]

I just hope he starts to advance the storyline again.

He did really well in Chapter 203...but as good as that was, it was almost the opposite in 204. It is alright to focus on a one on one fight when it is the main character or someone that has a pretty big following, but Kiba and Akamaru didn&#39;t deserve a while chapter. Kishimoto is just stretching this out even more, he needs to end this arc and have a conclusion for it that advances the storyline.

We do want answers to about 1,000 questions after all.

[Raven]

I think you&#39;ll probably get your wish dazzz, for a little while at least;

Gaara we will never see again, mark my words, his arc is over, he learnt his lesson and he went home. It would just be cheesy and rehased if he made another appearance.

Hinata might be on the sidelines every now and then for one panel, but as for doing missions or actual combat, I doubt it, she&#39;s just too weak compared to other characters to be worth it.

It was said about Shino that he is currently on a mission with his dad. A slightly poor excuse for the fact that Kishimoto has nothing for him to do, so it&#39;ll probably be a while before we see him again.

[Everon]

We don&#39;t know shite about Shino. Hopefully that remains the same throughout the naruto series, because he seems to be the most like a ninja. I could see him becoming a &quot;tool&quot; of the fire country.