Episode 70 Discussion

[Raven]

People keep referring to episode 30's animation. I'm not sure what people are saying - that the animation is good, or bad? Because that still stands as probably my favourite episode out of the entire series. I must have watched that Sasuke/Oro fight a hundred times.

This was a great ep, but I did notice one thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned..... did you notice how at 13:40 Shika held out his arm to show the sticks he used to make the paw prints, and yet the sound nins didn't hold up their arms also? They should have, they were shadow bound.

Sorry if someone already said this, I might have missed it.

[Hatake Kakashi]

They also should have done the shuriken-kunai throwing motion, since he also did that.

[Raven]

But they did do the motion...... we didn't see them actually move because the camera was focused on Shikamaru, but their arms were straight down like they'd just thrown.

[Mange Sharingan]

Filler episode bbbbblllllaaaaahhhhhh


except Asuma kicked asss

[itachi_]

It should be very hard defeating an enemy with Shadow-bind becuase the enemy "should" make the same moves as the user, If both throws a shuriken both will get wounded, right? but there are also a few situations, like the match between Kin & Shikamaru, but those are few..

[Raven]

You could store your kunai or shruiken in a different place, say on your back or somewhere different from normal, so that way when the enemy reached (copying you) they wouldn't grab any weapon because there's nothing there. *shrugs*

[itachi_]

Yes, you&#39;re right. But it must be easier/better to perform a good chidori or <span style='color:#D6DBE0'>Rasengan</span>, it&#39;s to &quot;involved&quot;... That technique... it isn&#39;t so good, you can do as you said, but geez, that&#39;s troublesome.. and you can hold an enemy for a few minutes, and in shikas place, he can only do that technique, but what saves him is his brain.

[Death BOO Z]

actually, it&#39;s a really intersting subject...

when Naruto hit gaara, Shikamaru also moved (and cryed in pain, me thinks), you can say that he was hurt from the neck sudden movement and not from the punch, and that he just reacted like Gaara&#39;s body.

but lets say that you stab someone with a kunai, and shika is shadow binding them.
when someone bleeds, his bpdy releaces anti-bleeding ( I have no idea how this things are called in english) matrials to block the blood leak, but lets say that shikamaru&#39;s body will do the same? he&#39;ll block his own blood veins and will cuase his own body to rot from blood lack, or even cuase himself a heart attack (if the wound was in a vital blood vein) and he&#39;ll end in a worse situation than his vicitim...

sure, i don&#39;t belive kishimoto will go so far into jutsu logica, but it&#39;s cool to theorize about stuff.

[Kagari]

^^ interesting idea...but I think it&#39;s just the motions that are copied, not necessarily the bodily functions.

Biological reactions like that would not be transferred...like sneezing, for example. If shika sneezed and his head bobbed forward afterwards, it would not make the bound guy sneeze, only his head would move.

[xtort]

The knife Asume has (in answer to someone&#39;s questions earlier) is called a trench knife, and yeah, you can get them (illegally in the US) almost anywhere. They were made for trench warfare, and just about every surface on them is either painful to be hit with, or deadly to be hit with. They are brutal. (WWI 1918 US Trench Knife, google should find it nicely.)

I was thinking when I saw Shika in the fight, &quot;If they all have their kunais in the same place, just make them reach in, grab one, extend arm, and spin.&quot; They all would have stabbed each other, and... that would have been sick. Imagine that you&#39;re the 9th guy and you come up on the scene and all your comrades have their knives in each others&#39; throats or something. Of course he&#39;d have to take care of the guy at the end of the line, but... seeing how he just offed 7 guys without breaking a sweat, that guy would probably be crapping his... ninja outfit.

And I&#39;m a) hoping Shino is chasing them all, and b) we get to see him in action soon. Shino is the only character who is ninja-like, in my estimation. Everyone else is like some bizarro-world friendly ninja. Shino doesn&#39;t betray any emotion at all, and ... that&#39;s friggin cool. (In anime world, not in real life.)

-xtortout

[kimunist]

it is only the movements that are being copied...

why else would he risk throwing all those weapons at the sound nin, and if the 9th one didnt stop the weapons, shika would have died, to all those people who thought that his skill is a double edged sword...

and when naruto hit gaara, shikamaru just said it hurt because the sudden snap of the head turning caught him off guard, meaning he just strained his head.

[monkeyboi]

toi moi sam Naruto 70, cay episode thay doi co hay. doi dang doi cho 71 da vi cay episode, sam vui hon. xin lo, toi la nguoi bac. toi khong biet tieng anh.

[KakashiSensei]

Let find the episode but i&#39;m sure when Naruto hits Garaa Shika calls him an idiot and says what ever you do to him happens to me too. But maybe i&#39;m wrong

EDIT: After further watching that episode again shika says: Naruto, when i use the shadow Imitation Tech. I move along with him, Got it.

So I was wrong, I got confused with Ino&#39;s Sorry about that guys

[simplyxme]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (CmDr_RavEn @ Feb 16 2004, 10:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> No he wouldn&#39;t, you&#39;re confusing it with Ino&#39;s controlling technique. All Shika&#39;s move does is imitate the bodily movements of the other person. So if someone stabbed the &#39;trapped&#39; person and that person fell over dead, then Shika would fall over also, but he wouldn&#39;t have been stabbed therefore he wouldn&#39;t die. His body would just imitate the &#39;fall over&#39; part. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if one person in the group falls then shika falls too? but then what about the other ppl? its confusing but its a really cool technique anyway. I sorta wanted to see him think himself outta this one tho. but the asuma kick ass scene was great too

[Raven]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (xtort @ Feb 16 2004, 02:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I was thinking when I saw Shika in the fight, &quot;If they all have their kunais in the same place, just make them reach in, grab one, extend arm, and spin.&quot; They all would have stabbed each other, and... that would have been sick. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
hehe awesome, I never thought of that, I keep thinking of the boring old throw trick.

[itachi_]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kage_bunshin @ Feb 15 2004, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (jing &#064; Feb 16 2004, 09:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the sound nin was hidden. if he had came close to him, shikamaru might have binded him too.

Wouldn&#39;t it be interesting if Rock lee knew how to shadow bind people? Would the person gain his super speed lol.

so naruto too, get one of his clones to bind, n he just goes n attack. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I&#39;m wondering if shikamaru was up to jounin level, had tons of stamina and chakra, and learnt kage bunshin no jutsu and combine it with kage mane no jutsu..... he could probably stop a small army from moving around, and then his fellow jounins can take the enemy down so easily. But if naruto could do it with his kyubi chakra he could stop thousands of guys. Its quite interesting eh? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Nah, for Shikamaru to become a jounin... You got to have something else then just shadow-immitation to be a jounin, maybe if he learn some moves from his father who obvisiously is a successor at the shadow-immitation jutsus.. He&#39;s indeed a worthy chuunin to me.. but hey it&#39;s a huge gap in strenge/skillz between a jounin and a chuunin, remember that.

[KakashiSensei]

In case you guys have forgotten, shikamaru yes can stop people in thier tracks with the shadow immitaition but if someone hits the other person He would feel it too. So if he stopped a Whole army and then his commerades swooped in and killed them all, he would be just as dead as everyone else.

[SirCharlesIII]

shika didnt get hurt when he pwned kin...

[Raven]

No he wouldn&#39;t, you&#39;re confusing it with Ino&#39;s controlling technique. All Shika&#39;s move does is imitate the bodily movements of the other person. So if someone stabbed the &#39;trapped&#39; person and that person fell over dead, then Shika would fall over also, but he wouldn&#39;t have been stabbed therefore he wouldn&#39;t die. His body would just imitate the &#39;fall over&#39; part.

[itachi_]

I agree with you Raven, i know what you mean with &#39;fell over&#39;.. it&#39;s not the vital-damage, it&#39;s just body movement that&#39;s the same..