Who was in the third summoned coffin?

[hiten mitsurugi]

Do you think that the fourth could have been in that third coffin. The one that didn't open. I know that the fourth was supposedly sealed, but where did his soul go? We know that kyuubi is in Naruto, but where's the fourth? Just because the fourth's soul was sealed doesn't mean that Oro couldn't have unsealed it. Remeber when the third was worried about Naruto (at the beginning when he stole the sacred scroll to learn Kage Bunshin) unsealing kyuubi, that means the fourth could have been unsealed as well. So, two questions:
Who was in that third casket?
Where is the fourth's soul now?

[itachi_]

It was the forth hokage, you can see the sign that's carved on it, it's the sign for "fourth". He's soul dosen't exist, He's dead.

[jing]

No his soul does exist. His jutsu, makes it so that his soul is in an eternal battle with Death.

4th hokage's jutsu cannot be easily be broken even by orochimaru.

[Legendary Nin]

Orochimaru is using other peoples souls for that jutsu.In the manga there was a flashback that showed Orochimaru in a room with all these people chained up.Those people were victim of his human experiments,that's where he got the souls from.Its sad the anime cut it out,but I guess they had to do it because of the nature of the content.It was too much for evening t.v I assume.

edit:Just reliased that I'm in the manga section,and this topic should be moved to open discussion since its an anime question that was intended to be answered by a mangareader.

[PSJ]

that jutsu can be performed in diffrent ways 4th was sent to hell for doing it and seling the opponent in someone else 3rd did it in a diffrent way.. and the fact that he could summon 4th hokage would mean that naruto is not a reincarnation of 4th hokage... glad i thought of that... well it was the 4th in the third cacket...

[Jman]

t'was the 4th in the coffin

[PSJ]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Legendary Nin &#064; Feb 12 2004, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Orochimaru is using other peoples souls for that jutsu.In the manga there was a flashback that showed Orochimaru in a room with all these people chained up.Those people were victim of his human experiments,that&#39;s where he got the souls from.Its sad the anime cut it out,but I guess they had to do it because of the nature of the content.It was too much for evening t.v I assume.

edit:Just reliased that I&#39;m in the manga section,and this topic should be moved to open discussion since its an anime question that was intended to be answered by a mangareader. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
no he is using other ppl bodies and the souls of the hokages.


EDIT: what he did down in that room was experimenting on his immotrality spell not the summoning of the dead.

[Mut]

i don&#39;t understand it. how can it be the 4th? i mean, yeah it&#39;s pretty obvious that the 3rd one was gonna be the 4th but wasn&#39;t his soul sealed? and doesn&#39;t that IF he was resurrected, it&#39;d be impossible for the 3rd to perform the kinjutsu on him? but then again, how can he even be summoned if his soul was sealed? even if he was using other people&#39;s souls, how do they know everything the hokages did? it just doesn&#39;t make sense to me.

[Legendary Nin]

Ah,a little mix up.It still was an important flash back which also showed you that he was using humans for personal gain.

[Hatake Kakashi]

If Orochimaru can summon souls from the after life, I am sure he can summon the soul of Yondaime who is sealed...inside of Naruto I guess.....


Either way, Sarutobi stopped it in time.

I take it the kanji on the coffin meant 4, so that should answer the questions.

[BakaShinji]

Ok, I don&#39;t think the 4th&#39;s soul is sealed in eternal battle with kyuubi&#39;s. It is more likely that he just traded his life to seal kyuubi.

#1. We saw kyuubi inside naruto - but no 4th.
#2. The forbidden seals take different forms - we can&#39;t assume just because the hokage used the &quot;same type&quot; of seal - that it was the exact same thing. There are variations like waterbushin&#39;s and kagebushin&#39;s.

So vis-a-vis concordantly ergo - the 3rd coffin was yondaime : otherwise, it would be both yondaime&#39;s soul AND kyuubi&#39;s soul .... wouldn&#39;t that be scary? Two kyuubis? Maybe that was what sandaime was really concerned about... ?

[lasaire]

Well, the jutsu that the 3rd uses to seal Orochimaru&#39;s arms is the Fuuin Jutsu: Shiki Fuujin. (Sealing Spell: Dead Demon Imprisonment). This is from the end of chapter 122, through 123 and 124.

The 3rd jutsu says that with the completion of that jutsu, his soul will be consumed and along with the soul of the one whose soul is sealed, they will battle and mingle together in the belly of death, hating each other for all eternity. He says it&#39;s the jutsu of one who sacrificed his life for the Leaf; at which point Orochimaru realizes that &quot;So, this is the jutsu that sealed even the Kyubi.&quot;

Then, as you see the face of &#39;the belly of death&#39; the souls of the 1st, 2nd, and the clones of the 3rd can be seen it it&#39;s mouth before Death cuts them with his knife and swallows them (SCARY&#33.

So, though the Fourth was supposed to be in the third coffin, I think that even if the Third hadn&#39;t managed to cancel the jutsu, it would only be the Fourth&#39;s body without his soul. Just a useless puppet. The Fourth&#39;s soul was already in the &#39;belly of death&#39; after sealing the Kyubi inside of Naruto.

Which brings across another interesting note: not only did the Fourth sacrifice his life to save the Leaf, he did so knowing he was sacrificing his very soul to eternal torment instead of a well-deserved rest in paradise (or whatever afterlife he believed in). When you look at it that way, &quot;hero&quot; is not enough to cover the depths of his sacrifice. Wow.

[Uzumaki Naruto]

its the 4th, i mean if the first 2 coffins were the other hokages then that 3rd one had to be the 4th and if the 4th was summoned 3rds ass would have been owned all over the place

[XwingRob]

Exactly. If the 4th was summoned, he would have immediately owned the 3rd.
I think the whole &quot;eternal battle against each other&quot; is either a poor translation or something that isn&#39;t to be taken too literaly. I mean come on, if we follow what that says, then the 3rd is now locked in eternal battle with Orochimaru&#39;s arms. I find that too silly to imagine...

[Insomniac]

you can assume that Orochimaru can summon the 4ths soul even if hes locked in an eternal battle, its just like gamabunta and such, they appear no matter what they were doing.

i guess the same is with the kyuubi. (which is why the scroll is well protected)

[PSJ]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz &#064; Feb 12 2004, 11:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> i don&#39;t understand it. how can it be the 4th? i mean, yeah it&#39;s pretty obvious that the 3rd one was gonna be the 4th but wasn&#39;t his soul sealed? and doesn&#39;t that IF he was resurrected, it&#39;d be impossible for the 3rd to perform the kinjutsu on him? but then again, how can he even be summoned if his soul was sealed? even if he was using other people&#39;s souls, how do they know everything the hokages did? it just doesn&#39;t make sense to me. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
they soul of the hokages know the hokages jutsus orochimaru brought the soul back form the dead and had prepeared host bodies for them. 4th hokage is not sealed he simply died when he performed the seal. i dont know why it is so hard to understand but the seal 3rd did is a diffrent version of the seal 4th used, they can be used in diffrent ways.


i mean it&#39;s not hard to guess that they are diffrent versions since 4th hokage sealed kyubi inside naruto and 3rd sealed the 2 hokages and orochimarus arms in the belly of death himself where they fight for eternity.

[Raven]

I guess we&#39;ll never know for sure who was in the 3rd coffin. We can speculate all we like, but we&#39;ll never find out. How convenient that the Sarutobi was able to dispel it.

[Insomniac]

the most likely theory is that it was intended for the 4th

now people say that if the 4th is sealed and fighting the kyuubi for eternity that means that he cant be summoned but we dont know that for sure, i mean hell the other 2 were dead a long time and their souls were summonable - i think that it doesnt matter where the soul is as long as its dead and the jutsu is proformed without being dispelled

[Raven]

That&#39;s probably why the 3rd coffin was never opened...... because Kishimoto just cbf explaining all the soul/sealing/summoning stuff and how it relates to the 4th already being sealed, etc.

He probably thought &quot;it&#39;s too complicated, people will ask too many questions, oh well I&#39;ll make it so the summon is unsuccessful&quot;.

[Insomniac]

that and the fact that no one could take on 3 hokages at a time, no matter what