I don't think Kaiten is a blood limit of the Hyuuga.... only the Byuakugan is the blood limit. Kaiten just chucks out chakra from all over the body so a sharingan user should be able to copy it.
I don't think Kaiten is a blood limit of the Hyuuga.... only the Byuakugan is the blood limit. Kaiten just chucks out chakra from all over the body so a sharingan user should be able to copy it.
Kaiten is an absolute defense. Chidori is an attack.
Break it down to be more simple, ignore the chakra
Think of it as one guy spinning around with a knife in both hands, and another guy thrusting on towards him. The guy spinning would block it and it would be deflected.
I would say that the kaiten would atleast deflect the chidori if not stop it all together.
Also, the kaiten is not a bloodlimit technique. Having the byakugan makes it possible for a Hyuga to learn it but anyone could learn it only it would be next to impossible without byakugan.
As for Kakashi vs Hiashi. Hiashi isn't the leader of the most powerful clan in Konoha for nothing. I have nothing against Kakashi but once Hiashi goes all gentle fist on his ass he's toast.
eh, I dunno...
I think that its a bloodline thing.. but then there is evidence to suggest that it might not be. EITHer way, I doubt that Sasuke can beat Neji or Kakashi compare to Hizashi for that matter...
Its not clearly stated whether you need to have mastered the gentle fist taijustu which (i think) is bloodline... or whether you can do the heavenly spin if you can learn how to emit Chakra from your body...
I've posted this cos the anime is passed this point...
I don't have this ep on my hard drive - can't quote... sorry...
Kaiten can be beat by chidori wif maybe this way..
Say Uncle/neji start up kaiten, then kakashi/sasuke go farther distance. then thrust foward in their fast speed. start up chidori. Jump as high as they can. fall down directly above kaiten while spinning the exact speed or more counter clockwise or the opposite of kaiten's spin. That way when chidori hits kaiten it creates a counter spin which stops kaiten and hit. YAY chidori wins.
If not then kaiten will win all the way =) HAHAHAHA
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unidentified @ Feb 2 2004, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't think the Chdiori would be able to penetrate the kaiten. Neji was able to repel Kyubi Naruto with chakra flowing around him moving at insane speeds. So I doubt a chidori would do much more.
There's NO WAY Kakashi would be able to beat Hinata's dad, Hizashi. Not to spoil or anything, but Hizashi is basically Neji * 1 million. And Neji is part of the branch house, which the moves of the main house are tought. Neji was considering a genius by figurig out only SOME of the moves from the main house. He is the head of the Hyuga, considered Konoha's best clan(Kakashi's opinion, but he should know since he ahs a sharingan, also HIzashi said so also). Plus you get the see Hizashi in action in the next episode or so. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
kakashi would kill YOU, your whole family, pets, etc, and the most strong and skilled hyuga. THE END.
<span style='color:blue'>chidori in my opinion has stronger focus on chakra than then kaiten but kaiten could blow away susuke.</span>
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JusDaMan @ Feb 3 2004, 04:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Kaiten can be beat by chidori wif maybe this way..
Say Uncle/neji start up kaiten, then kakashi/sasuke go farther distance. then thrust foward in their fast speed. start up chidori. Jump as high as they can. fall down directly above kaiten while spinning the exact speed or more counter clockwise or the opposite of kaiten's spin. That way when chidori hits kaiten it creates a counter spin which stops kaiten and hit. YAY chidori wins.
If not then kaiten will win all the way =) HAHAHAHA </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I don't know how to say this other than this way.
If you hit a spiining sphere from the top, you would be more effective in creating a hole because right at the highest point (along the Hyuuga axis) where the Kaiten user is positioned and if the Chidori struck there the spinning motion would have the least effect.... so the Chidori could punch through and hit the Kaiten user's head. If the user can project the chidori from his hand then that would be even better after the hole has been created.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I don't think the Chdiori would be able to penetrate the kaiten. Neji was able to repel Kyubi Naruto with chakra flowing around him moving at insane speeds. So I doubt a chidori would do much more.
There's NO WAY Kakashi would be able to beat Hinata's dad, Hizashi. Not to spoil or anything, but Hizashi is basically Neji * 1 million. And Neji is part of the branch house, which the moves of the main house are tought. Neji was considering a genius by figurig out only SOME of the moves from the main house. He is the head of the Hyuga, considered Konoha's best clan(Kakashi's opinion, but he should know since he ahs a sharingan, also HIzashi said so also). </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
If you remember the episode correctly, you will recall that Neji was knocked back as badly as Naruto when Naruto attacked him. Therefore Neji did not repel Naruto, though his technique was damaging to Naruto.
In any case, Chidori would go through Kaiten no problem. If Naruto can punch Neji through it as shown in that episode, Chidori can too.
Hmm, I think it counts on the skill levels of chidori and kaiten users. If the chidori is excellent and the kaiten poor, then chidori goes through. But if the chidori user isn't a pro at using chidori, and the kaiten is well done, then chidori propably can't cut through it.
This is guite a lot a same guestion as: "Kick vs Dodge". If the kick is better than the dodge, it will hit. And if the dodge is better than the kick, then the kick won't hit.
So much has been already said, I don't think I want to join this fight.
I don't know if kaiten is stronger or chidori or the other way.
But i seem to recall that Kakashi said that Sasuke can't beat Neji.
Although that was at the time of the preliminary fights is still think Neji would wipe the floor with Sasuke.
So in that sense I would say that Kaiten is stronger than Chidori. And secondly Kaiten is a bloodline limit of a kind and Chidori isn't, that in itself of course doesn't necessarily say anything but it still gives us something.
And since kaiten is spinning at high speed and is chakra, it would probably change Chidori's speed and direction, making it miss. And then.... hell to Sasuke.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (The Kyubi Naruto @ Feb 3 2004, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> But i seem to recall that Kakashi said that Sasuke can't beat Sasuke. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Need some editing, but probably all true, whoever is faster will win. And i never knew kaiten was a bloodline limit
Wow ANBO Sasuke... that was very... ahhh.... thorough
Lets keep it simple and say they are equal
Alot less strain on the brain that way
Well I'm not sure that it's a bloodline limit.
Now that I come think about it, I think it may not be.
Kaiten could just be a very powerful jutsu that requires a SUPERB control over one's chakra. So in other words it's a kind of a bloodline limit because no one else other than hyuga are able to use it, because the needed control is so high. And only the hyuga are able to use it because they have the byakugan and they train their chakra control to the max.
So if my assumptions are correct, then Kaiten is not a bloodline limit.
BUT. If it is, then... .Even Haku was able to come up with a bloodline limit jutsu on his own. And it would seem that the Hyuga teach the Kaiten to the head family, so I think that some of the bloodline limits are suppesed to be passed down. But coming up with one themselves shows extraordinary ability.
But of course I'm only speculating. Soi don't flame me if you think otherwise.
interesting concepts you guys have! i would think that the whole point of the hyuga style is that they can defeat anything that contains chakra...so as much as i like chidori...i think kaiten might win
Ok this isnt Chidori Vs Kaiten but I thought instead of starting a new topic I'll put this here.
I was watching the ep again where Baki kill Hayate... and when he used his wind blade he said that it was natural for material blades to be stopped...... but nothing can stop a blade of wind... possible rival of Chidori then?
hmm...i was just thinking...well how much more effective is kaiten as compared to gaara's sand..? cause if chidori can cut through such a big packed wall of sand...im sure it can also cut through chakra...
Well, I feel like Sasuke couldnt beat Neji because in the time it takes Sasuke to charge up his attack, Neji would probably have already used 64 hands of hakke on him....As for Kakashi, he can gather the chakra much quicker...Sasuke has to increase his jutsu timing before he can beat Neji with Chidori.
i always thought kaiten would drain nejis chakra insanely, since he releases it in large amounts, you know?
but, he can repel sasukes chidori i'm sure, if he gets the time to start it up.
and that is because chakra repels other chakra in some ways...which is why naruto and neji flew away when they hit, because both their attacks were strong in releasing chakra.
kakashi could maybe beat hizashi...after all, taijutsu isnt everything, but maybe hizashi could win.
omg.. Sasuke > Neji atm. He's much faster then neji and he will pwn Neji with Chidori. period.
same goes for Kakashi > Hisashi or whatever that Hyuga dad is called. Hisashi doesn't seem to be in shape, but rather a dude that's lazying around whole day and go to the geesha's in the evening
or something like that
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