Naruto Chapter 202 Topic

[Hatake Kakashi]

Yeah Naruto couldn't Shadow Replicate Gamabunta. At best Gamabunta could maybe Shadow Replicate himself. We already know he can do Henge, and I am sure if an animal could learn Kage Bushin, he could be able to do it. Maybe once Naruto gets a little better, he will be able to Shadow Replicate objects, like Sarutobi-sensei did with the Shurikens, in the fight with Orochimaru..

Also, I don't understand why everyone keeps thinking Shadow Replication makes Naruto stronger. He's just as strong as if there were only one of them. Its not like he is going to beat Kimimaro down now that he has 1000 clones. Each of those clones is 1/1000 of Naruto's power/chakra now, so all what Kimimaro would have to do is use a moderately high offensive ninjutsu that targets a bunch of them and bam their done.

Back to Kiba's fight..I think he and Akamaru will take soldier pills and start going berserk on Sakon. Kiba is no slouch in combat either, he was just unlucky to go up against Naruto during the Chuunin Exam. He isn't a powerhouse by any means, but I think as a Tandem, he and Akamaru are better than Sakon-Akon.

[Raven]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hatake Kakashi @ Feb 2 2004, 09:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Also, I don&#39;t understand why everyone keeps thinking Shadow Replication makes Naruto stronger. He&#39;s just as strong as if there were only one of them. Its not like he is going to beat Kimimaro down now that he has 1000 clones. Each of those clones is 1/1000 of Naruto&#39;s power/chakra now, so all what Kimimaro would have to do is use a moderately high offensive ninjutsu that targets a bunch of them and bam their done. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I always thought the chakra was divided equally, but the strength is fully replicated, as in each clone can hit as hard as the real Naruto.
Sure, they may have no durability i.e. die in one hit, and no chakra i.e. they can&#39;t perform jutsus, but I thought they could hit just as strongly as the original.

Maybe I&#39;m wrong though.

[Insomniac]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The whole Oro saga isn&#39;t going to last for ever, I hope you know. He will die eventually, and I think it will be rather soon (less than 50 chapters,) they need to move on.
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in all likelyness Itachi will die before Oro does, Itachi is a character made for death - hes introduced as an &#39;unstoppable&#39; character as a goal for Sasuke but he will die none the less.

Orochimaru has no reason to die or to be killed, no one strong is chasing him and it would take an army to take on his village of sound whereas Itachi travels in a group of 2, hes not well protected other then by Kisame.

[Mut]

dude, just copy my sig, then you&#39;ll never be wrong.

btw, what you said is true.

[Hatake Kakashi]

yeah his strength gets divided up evenly since the clones are exact replicas of his body. So all of his anatomy stays in tact. So a hit is a hit, no matter if it is Naruto or a clone. But his chakra(power) is divided up so much..if Kimimaro breaths on them they will *poof*, disappear.

[Destroyor]

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I always thought the chakra was divided equally, but the strength is fully replicated, as in each clone can hit as hard as the real Naruto.*
Sure, they may have no durability i.e. die in one hit, and no chakra i.e. they can&#39;t perform jutsus, but I thought they could hit just as strongly as the original.

Maybe I&#39;m wrong though. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I agree. The chakra available at the moment when Naruto perform the shadow clone is divided evenly among every single body. If the physical strength are divided evenly among the clones then every single Naruto should not even be able to run, or if they can then Naruto should be so strong to the point where his physical strength could lift a small mountain easily. Last point, the real Naruto could always make more chakra with his stamina. It&#39;s not like all his chakra were present when he did the clones, so the 1/1000 chakra is not really correct.


edit: the clones&#39; bodies are make up entirely out of chakra, so a hit on the clone doesn&#39;t really &quot;hit&quot; naruto physically, only his chakra.

[itachi_]

It&#39;s strange if you search on google (pictures) and type Itachi all the pictures that will appear is pictures of weasels. Maybe itachi is a word for &quot;weasel&quot; in japanese.

[Death BOO Z]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 2 2004, 11:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> It&#39;s strange if you search on google (pictures) and type Itachi all the pictures that will appear is pictures of weasels. Maybe itachi is a word for &quot;weasel&quot; in japanese. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
it&#39;s not a maybe... it&#39;s a fuckin&#39; fact&#33;
it&#39;s like how Kakashi means &#39;scarecrow&#39; and shika means &#39;deer&#39;...

let&#39;s all do a &#39;banzai&#39; to captian obvious here&#33;

[itachi_]

Stop that, how annoying&#33;

[Mgslee]

Itachi might be the strongest character but doesnt mean its unbeatable... Just look at a sports ladder, the number 1 team doesnt always win and given game... same applies... This series is defiently not about Stronger = Win ... we have many characters to proove that... any how... the next chapter is gonna be good

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moridin &#064; Feb 2 2004, 02:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Now let&#39;s disect your argument. &quot;why do you think orochimaru wants sasuke? it&#39;s for the sharingan so he can learn all the jutsus and itachi obviously knows tons of jutsus since he&#39;s got all these accomplishments in his record to back it up.&quot; Total red herring there. You go from my argument, we&#39;ll call it Janken analogy to simplify it, to why Orochimaru wants Sasuke to &quot;proving,&quot; as you seem to believe that Itachi knows &quot;tons of jutsus.&quot; Now it says Itachi is talented, agreed, and that he is a genius, agreed, but Orochimaru has been around for what...mmm 50 years? One thing you also seem to have forgotten is Orochimaru is also a &quot;genius.&quot; Now if we want to state assumptions as facts, I would say Orochimaru knows more jutsus than Itachi, but we&#39;re not doing that right? Good. Next point. &quot;You should know your argument is invalid once you compared Naruto and Neji. Naruto can&#39;t lose.&quot; Funny, it seems my argument was perfectly illustrated by the Naruto and Neji comparison. Of course Neji has better techniques than Naruto, and obviously, Neji is the &quot;genius&quot; in this case. Now according to your argument, again from the post above, Neji should have beaten Naruto. The fact that Naruto is the main character does not nullify this argument. If anything, it highlights how much Kishimoto enjoys the whole idea that stronger does not equal a win. Now you did not even address Shikamaru vs. Temari. Temari has the better techniques and she has multiple ones and yet she lost, in every sense except for the technical outcome of the match.* Now the only proof you have so far introduced in support of your &quot;facts,&quot; is a statement by Orochimaru that Itachi is stronger than him. I&#39;m sorry if I don&#39;t accept that one thing as the be-all, end-all of evidence. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
oh my god, you&#39;re still not understanding it. you just can&#39;t put naruto in the same category as everyone else.

anwyay, how is how is &quot;why do you think orochimaru wants sasuke? it&#39;s for the sharingan so he can learn all the jutsus and itachi obviously knows tons of jutsus since he&#39;s got all these accomplishments in his record to back it up.&quot; a red herring? it&#39;s a strong point to state the fact that sharingan user/master is always 1 step above someone else. orochimaru can do whatever jutsus infront of itachi, and it&#39;ll be pointless cuz itachi can copy them all. the single most powerful jutsu we&#39;ve seen so far can only be countered by another sharingan user with the same bloodline. don&#39;t you know? and don&#39;t bring up gai&#39;s technique of only looking at the feet cuz that can only take him so far.

and yes, i believe that orochimaru knows more jutsus than anyone that we&#39;ve seen so far that&#39;s alive (might not be true but i doubt it). but no, i did not forget that orochimaru is a genius, that&#39;s a given and everyone knows it. and don&#39;t even bring that up &quot;if we&#39;re not doing that right?&quot; Good. Next point.

once again, you cannot put naruto in the same category as everyone else. yeah, i&#39;m sure kishimoto enjoys the whole idea that stronger does not equal a win. but it&#39;s naruto. there is no way he can lose. do you think any other genin would&#39;ve won against gaara if that character wasn&#39;t the main character? absolutely not. it just totally nullifys any argument if you include any fight involving naruto. and for shika vs temari. that was during an officiated match. if it was just a regular fight against two people, then shikamaru would&#39;ve gotten smoked at the end. up until now, all the rest of the genin haven&#39;t been too important. but during the rescue mission, they&#39;ve become more part of the main story and that&#39;s why they&#39;ve won (or tied) the fights against the sound 4.

sometimes, you just gotta take things as it is. sorry, but itachi can&#39;t be beaten by anyone right now. and i&#39;m sure whatever i say isn&#39;t gonna influence you in any way, so can someone tell these people that itachi is the strongest ninja alive so far?

EDIT: sorry for the long, off-topic post, again but people keep making me do it.

[Vagabond]

hm for some reason i&#39;ve got to think that there are more than 8 members in the akatsuki. The reason i think this is because when itachi is in konoha he says that there are higher ups in the akatsuki. So some of them must not be volunteers, someone must have planed it from the beginning. Also this proves that there is some stronger than itachi (I know you were talking about characters that have been introduced) because if they wasn&#39;t as strong as itachi than why would itachi be taking orders from them. That is unless they have some hold on itachi.(something like blackmail) Another weird thing. Read these scan from the manga. Kakashi and jiraiya refer to someone as &quot;that man&quot;. Its not oro or itachi because kakashi says its the ninetails. I dunno itds confusing but just read it and tell me what you understand from it.

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[Hatake Kakashi]

Yeah, but up until now we really haven&#39;t seen a Kyubi Mode Shadow Clone or what it could do. These clones are obviously stronger than the normal ones, since Naruto himself is stronger in this mode. We will just have to see. I just don&#39;t think that Kimimaro is going to go down this easy.

[Insomniac]

Kage Bunshin is a pretty wasteful technique as just a fighting one unless you suprized your opponent, mass clones in a fight is only a strong as one Naruto.

[khaodessy]

i have to agree that these clone are far stronger then the usual clones naruto makes since this is the 1st time he created them as kyubi-naruto. also it was shown in the fight with neji that the clones are alot stronger then just a one hit and theyre gone. because one clone bleed when he was hit by neji when he thought it was the real naruto. so i think the clones have alot more duriblity then most people think. this fight should be one hell of a battle.
i think shikamara has the advantage in his fight because they are in the forest. i just want to see his new moves.

i wonder if kimi takes to long to return would oro send someone else or personally go since he has use of his arms.

[xtort]

Let&#39;s be a little more precise here... it&#39;s not Naruto&#39;s chakra that&#39;s being divided at the moment; it&#39;s Kyuubi&#39;s. So, what we have here is a monster, whom a whole village couldn&#39;t defeat, dividing his chakra around into a couple hundred bodies. I wouldn&#39;t think that&#39;d be an intangible amount of power, regardless if you dislike Naruto or not. Given, not all of Kyuubi&#39;s chakra is being split, but we&#39;ve seen Naruto best anyone given that level of chakra.

(Note: he whooped up on Haku with it, and Neji with only a portion of it.)

I&#39;m not giving any indication of what&#39;s to come, but people who consitently dismiss characters in this story... well, after 200 some issues, just don&#39;t get it. The story is about being the odds, overcoming against superior forces, making yourself better. I personally hope that the upcoming fight is a bloody brawl, because I&#39;d love to see another really interesting character thrown into the mix. But to dismiss Naruto offhandedly is... well, maybe exactly what Kishimoto wants you to do.

Hello? *knock knock* Anyone home?

-xtortout