ok bitch where do you live ill come and beat you down
man shut up and dont be stupid
nicely said jing
lol
ok bitch where do you live ill come and beat you down
man shut up and dont be stupid
nicely said jing
lol
Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Now that I'm finish laughing at some of you, hear me out (If you don't want to just ignore me)
Some of you are confusing fighting abilities with leadership, also confuse cunning with wisdom and clear tactical thinking. (Not to mention coolness to leadership, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAhA.)
Sorry.
But seriously why did Shikamaru become a chuunin? A chuunin is a team LEADER not the MUSCLE or strong undering, and cunning cannot replace wisdom and clear tactical thinking. A ninja is a military personal, a chuunin is a commander. Can Naruto or Neji command a small team with clear, reasonable, unbiased(Neji is just too emtional where his clan is concern), and sound thinking? How about Shino? Did he ever true plan 3 steps+ ahead the enemy? Kiba, besides using his dog did he ever show an understanding of the situation completely and actually think before he smash something? Lot of genins have POWER, and some even equip with CUNNING. Shikamaru lack power true, and greener then green (translation: inexperience) but he truly plan ahead. He's resourceful, think ahead and calm plus collected at all times . As a leader one need to think, not being cool or powerful or whatever. Bottom line, the ninja board are looking for BRAIN, not MUSCLE nor COOLNESS FACTOR.
and your right
The whole point in the sound nin vs konoha kids, the sound nins do have level 2 seal, but the konoha kids are from THE best village they are not at the prime of their abilities and therefore the sound nins UNDERESTIMATE their opponent.
1 VERY important point of war is to never underestimate your opponent, i train a little martial arts so no expert, but even a black belt should estimate every opponent to be better than himself and therefore be prepared.
These sound nins doesnt do that, they think that these are just stupid no good kids, well these kids are trained and have had a very rough training.
I find it reasonable, though i think that the new guy in 202 which naruto is gonna fight will be the hardest, since he doesnt underestimate an opponent.
Well said, Destroyor, it's good to see some people get it.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
chapter 202 explained this thread
Destroyor, there are still contradictions with ur theory. Genma said to sasuke "you are already at a chunnin level, so make yourself usefull as a nin from konoha village"
Genma only saw sasuke's power, n he decided that hes already at a chunnin level.
edit:its not totally on brains either, raw power contributes aswell. but destroyor you are mostly correct.
I say it's about 70-30, in brains favor.
Sasuke is definitely not Chuunin, in brains. In leadership, even. Instead of pursuing Gaara, he should have stayed/formed a group to take care of the invaders.
Naruto has strength, but, he's not a Chuunin. Most of the time, he's getting his ass kicked, and wins through some comeback.
Neji got emotional, and just talked forever in that match. He also gave up too quickly, since he couldn't see past his birth right.
Shino, I think would've been pretty good as a Chuunin. He led his team well during the forest/
Shikamaru didn't once panick. He was cool, and reserved the entire time, and read/predicted the opponents mind well, throughout his battle. Then, he realized what his limit was, and quit while he was ahead.
Thank you, Thank you all. (wow it's nice to be acknowledge)
Itachi_ please at least try to backup your claim with some sort of reason(s)/fact/excuse. When had Neji ever display planning/thinking/tactic worthy of a commander? I'm sorry but I don't see any major flaw with my thinking or any logic behind your thinking at all. If you think I'm wrong then prove me wrong.
About Shino, so far he still haven'et display anything really worthy of becaming a chuunin. Btw he didn't even get to show off during the final exam so it's not really surprising that he's not a chuunin.
LIKE I SAID BEFORE IN THIS TOPIC, He clearly prooved it when they were trapped inside that wall of stone, neji and shikamaru really prooves that they are worthy chuunin's they came up with a strategy and were the only active ninjas in that situation kiba, chouji, naruto just stood still and watched, Neji showed us that he can think in a tactical way, and to come up with such a strategy in such situation with low chakra, that's leadership according to me. He thought of the team survival, and his own life too, of course...
I would post, but I agree with everything that Destroyor said.
As for Genma telling, Sasuke that he is already on the Chuunin level, I think he just means he could stack up well against most of the Chuunin in Konoha. Which is probably true. His techniques are obviously at the Chuunin level too, his best offensive moves are his taijutsu and the Chidori, and those are all pretty high level. So Genma was obviously impressed by him.
Its not like he said, "You pass, go make yourself useful"
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 2 2004, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> LIKE I SAID BEFORE IN THIS TOPIC, He clearly prooved it when they were trapped inside that wall of stone, neji and shikamaru really prooves that they are worthy chuunin's they came up with a strategy and were the only active ninjas in that situation kiba, chouji, naruto just stood still and watched, Neji showed us that he can think in a tactical way, and to come up with such a strategy in such situation with low chakra, that's leadership according to me. He thought of the team survival, and his own life too, of course... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I'm still not convinced about Neji. That particular part that you're referring to, that was mainly Shikamaru's idea, Neji mostly went along with it. He didn't do anything out of the ordinary that any other gennin wouldn't have done in his situation.
Neji's too emotional to be a leader in my opinion. He would let his own personal vendetta get in the way of the mission. He has the potential to let his own goals take higher priority than the lives of his teammates.
It's the same with Sasuke. If Sasuke was a chuunin leader leading a team on a very important mission, and all of a sudden he saw Itachi in the distance, he would say "Screw the mission, I'm going to kill him!". He's also too emotional and driven.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (itachi_ @ Feb 2 2004, 03:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> LIKE I SAID BEFORE IN THIS TOPIC, He clearly prooved it when they were trapped inside that wall of stone, neji and shikamaru really prooves that they are worthy chuunin's they came up with a strategy and were the only active ninjas in that situation kiba, chouji, naruto just stood still and watched, Neji showed us that he can think in a tactical way, and to come up with such a strategy in such situation with low chakra, that's leadership according to me. He thought of the team survival, and his own life too, of course... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
If you give Shikamaru byakugans, he would have thought of the same thing.
No, Neji's insight into Shikamaru's plan is not due to byakugan. True, he understanded Shikamaru's plan at the moment when they were trapped but he didn't plan anything. Even if Neji is capable to be a chuunin at that point, which he isn't, he's still not a chuunin simply because he wasn't ready at the chuunin final exam. He may have grow and mature but that's after the chuunin exam and that's the way it is. If you said Neji was cheated out of being a chuunin then please point out something that happened during/before the chuunin exam that was worthy of being a chuunin.
Everyone puts this emphasis about being a chunnin on leadership. See, this is where it bothers me a lot. No, shika is not a great leader as the manga has shown us. The team is disbanded and some team members could be dead. Yes, he's a brilliant strategist, but without the necessary skills, he is extremely incomplete.
Being a chunnin isn't all about leadership. What if shika was chosen to join a team with other chunnins and Shika wasn't chosen to lead the team. Would he be a good support. The answer would be no. Why? Because he lacks firepower. How does this reflect on his chunnin status? Badly, I wouldn't want someone like that on my team. I would feel more comfortable with Naruto, Neji, or Shino watching my back. Because they "bring it" with them day in day out.
Even as a leader, Shikamaru doesn't have the skills to get his whole team out of a predicament. Instead they are tattered all over the place.
Hey man, give the kid some credit. It was his first real field mission. And, he said it himself, that he thinks the others might not even be dead.
In the beginning, during Kakashi's trial exams, he said that sometimes, you gotta make some sacrifices. Personally, I think splitting one leaf to one sound was a good plan. Certain sound members have strengths against certain leaves, so at least you minimize SOME casualities, instead of suffering most, if one sound-nin got a hold of the entire team. Yes, it makes each battle easier to gang up on one enemy, but that won't single out the sounds strengths VS certain characters.
Tsunade make an error of judgement here, Shikmaru's team was completely outclassed. The best of Sound 4 vs 5 genins? Not exactly good odds on the genins, there are only so much you could do with thinking. Are you saying that if Neji lead he could do better then Shikmaru? For that matter can you name any genin that could lead better then Shikmaru in this situation?
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Sasuke is definitely not Chuunin, in brains. In leadership, even. Instead of pursuing Gaara, he should have stayed/formed a group to take care of the invaders.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Gaara would have returned as the demon, thats why he left - to regain chakra and then return to the village.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Shino, I think would've been pretty good as a Chuunin. He led his team well during the forest</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Shino didnt lead his team, Kiba decided everything basically.
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Destroyor @ Feb 2 2004, 09:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Tsunade make an error of judgement here, Shikmaru's team was completely outclassed. The best of Sound 4 vs 5 genins? Not exactly good odds on the genins, there are only so much you could do with thinking. Are you saying that if Neji lead he could do better then Shikmaru? For that matter can you name any genin that could lead better then Shikmaru in this situation? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I wouldn't have sent out any gennins. I would have immediately sent out a hunter nin squad. He willfully left and with Konoha in state of disarray that would have been the best method. Remember, Shika did pick the team. He could have picked other chunnins or jounins to join as well. That would have been more beleivable.
Or if he was such a great leader, they have both smell and sight over the sound ninjas. They could have gone ahead and setup traps. Pick off the enemy one by one.
And seriously, once they had their hands on the box, they would have tried to set Sasuke free by destroying it. It's not as if they know why he's in the box. At first sight, they may have thought that the box was to restrain Sasuke or kill him, becuase he changed his mind and tried to run away. So set him free and maybe he'll get up and run back to Konoha or something (easier to carry a person than a box). But no, the characters automatically know not to break the box because of spell or whatever.
When Tsunade was preparing Shika for the mission, I believe she said that the village was short on available chuunins and jounins at that time, so Shika could only pick gennin, or something like that. It's just Kishimoto's way of setting up the story for the 5 of them to go on the mission. There will probably be a reason for it later on.
Destroying the container probably would have taken too long in their minds - they didn't know what jutsus were binding it, or what it was made of, the only objective was to get the hell out of there, so they just grabbed it and ran, no other choice.
I think I know precisely what I mean
when I say it's a schpadoinkle day
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