Naruto and Dragonball Z

[DB_Hunter]

Well DBZ was awesome. OK it didn't have a story that would blow you away, but it was far from boring. Although I do now in hindsight wish that there was a bit more emphasis on fighting techniques than just your power level, I still enjoyed it hugely. I still don't get why people now just turn around and start bashing DBZ... sure it wasn't perfect but remember new anime creators should (in theory) be able to learn from the mistakes of past anime's and carry on the good points. Anyway, my two cents is that DBZ rules, and there is no point in being childish and saying oh no that anime is crap don't go there and this anime rules.... that approach just means that you automatically cut away about half of the anime out there. Everyone has their own tastes... if someone doesn't like an anime fine... it's there for enterainment, not to start a cult. I don't go around flaming anyone who doesn't think the same thing I do about DBZ.

[Nara Shikamaru VI]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (-ANBU-Sasuke- @ Jan 25 2004, 12:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hmmm Now whos the tard that started this rumor, i should hunt him down, and hang him, then gut him out, then run him over&#33;

Naruto still isnt DBZ. Sure Naruto&#39;s Kyubi charka gives him that power up effect, but the action style, and battle style is tottaly different from dbz.

DBZ 30 Minutes:
Talk
Look at each other
Power Up for 20 minutes
Fight with repeated fight sceens. &lt;Rare that this happends for 1-5 episdoes straight but it goes on for the episode that they started fighting. Then the next if there is still fighting going on

Naruto 30 Minutes:
More mature story line
Funny as hell.
Ninja Style Battles
No repeted fight sceens. Each one is authentic. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
mmmm....(nod sagely). totally agree. may i add the ninja fights are original and fun to watch whereas the fights in DBZ are monotonous and boring. oh and another thing when Naruto power up, he dont make constipating noises like all the DBZ character.

[joker-kun]

quit saying DBZ was so bad, if it was then why was it #1 in japan for a little while (cant remember exact time so dont ask) DBZ for its time was awesome, sure it dragged things on and exeggerated alot, but at the time was still like no other, like Pokemon, that was the shittiest thing round, yet it made billions in 2 years, with cards, now its only cause DBZ is old and youve seen so much other stuff, think back to the time, most likely you loved it, this is why the long scenes bugged you, cause you wanted to get back to the action, you telling me gohan turning ss2 wasnt good, anyway as for Naruto, quit complaing, we obviously know its gonna be the next DBZ for action and popularity, now hopefull it wont drag on as long but its still going to have similarities.



btw i choose not to use &quot;.&quot; instead I use &quot;,&quot;

[Nara Shikamaru VI]

true i enjoyed DBZ but during when Goku was young, i like it because the plot was original and funny, not clinche. but after the Raditz episode, everything went monotonous.

[boomorman]

I liked db, and dbz. Naruto is more like db than dbz. Db had more of a plot and a direction. Ya Naruto goes ssj (kyubi), and uses his amazing amounts of ki(chakra) to use the tri form (kage bushin), and sometimes he pulls out the ole kamahamaha(ras), and of course Goku (Naruto) will get beaten badly for 15 minutes vow that he can&#39;t lose... Think about all the people he made promises to, get back up and… 3 episode later he will finally win.

Db/dbz were around for what 10 years???? They went everywhere and did everything…. of course others are going to seemingly copy it. Db is like the simpsons of the anime world. Sidenote.. I remember someone saying something like and I quote...... &quot;Oh gawd, Naruto is becoming to popular... Its no longer an alternative anime; blah I&#39;m sick of it now&quot;. Some people are just fans of trying to be leet and like things that others don&#39;t. i.e they liked dbz till it became cool to dislike it.

With all this said they are as much different as they are similar

sorry I&#39;m sleepy it might not make sense.


edit* ohyeah the real test will be if Gaara pulls a vegeta and becomes good.... In truth I wouldn&#39;t mind.

[joker-kun]

DBZ I founf to have a rather good story personally, even the it was repetetive it still had a good story for each repetetive saga, now BUU i didnt like, but Cell I loved, I dunno I think too many people bash dbz too much...

[Naruto]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (r3n @ Jan 25 2004, 06:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (StaticX27 &#064; Jan 25 2004, 04:12 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I&#39;ve seen many people commenting on the fact that Naruto is becoming like Dragonball Z....

Well... That is kind of justified being that Kishimoto&#39;s biggest inspiration IS Toriyama, as he said himself in his &quot;interview with the artists&quot; in the manga. Dragonball on its own was bad because it was alot of the same stuff over and over again, &quot;Ohh look at me I have to train in the other world... Oh damn another uber godlike dude is coming to blow up the earth, save me&#33; wish me back witht he dragonballs&#33;&quot; that routine kinda got old after awhile.. But at face value (God help me for saying this), it wasn&#39;t that bad..

Naruto runs into the fact that it takes on several traits from Dragonball... Kyuubi mode Naruto = Super Saiyan Naruto... same thing effectively, only Kishimoto justifies the jump in power a whole lot more than Toriyama did with the Saiyans just kind of having the power.

All in all, we&#39;re going to see alot of similar traits from Dragonball in Naruto, but as long as the storyline continues to develop like it is, I dont&#39; see a problem with Naruto going in that direction.

Go for it, have fun&#33; </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>


nvr watched DBZ ^^ used to have some DBZ models tho... dno why </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
all i can say is:

[s0ulz x r3frain]

dbz = mainly muscle power
naruto = tactical strategies that make you see different things like you never seen them before...

naruto has so much more dept than dbz&#39;s raw fighting

[RoMuLuu]

Hmmm... I haven&#39;t noticed anything like that. The only thing what has reminded me of Dragonball Z was when Lee used his high speed combo against Gaara. That was guite inhuman and maybe that went a bit too far, but I definitely haven&#39;t noticed anything else.

[Unidentified]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (s0ulz x r3frain @ Jan 25 2004, 02:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> dbz = mainly muscle power
naruto = tactical strategies that make you see different things like you never seen them before...

naruto has so much more dept than dbz&#39;s raw fighting </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Seriously, in the Freiza saga, Frieze form 2 was over 200, 000 pl stronger than Picollo but Piccolo still won and Goku was a lot weaker than Cell and Goku was fighting evenly. You can&#39;t say that it&#39;s just about power.

And Dragon Ball is a lot less predictible than Naruto. They spent episodes of Goku training and he still doesn&#39;t have to win. In the tournaments he faces people of equal strength and he doesn&#39;t just go do a kyubi power thing, he wins by skills or loses by someone more skilled than him ex. Master Roshi vs Goku fight. If Dragon Ball was just about power then Goku wouold have lost a lot of times, a lot of his fights, he was even in power.

It&#39;s better to compare the Dragon BallZ manga to the Naruto manga. Since the manga caught up to the anime so it was dragged out.

[rEkKaShInObI]

ive been dying for a thread like one of these&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Vegeta and Sasuke - want power, pretty serious, accepted power from another evil
(Vegeta took power from maajin bu) (Sasuke took power from michael jackson)

Iruka and Master Roshi - Teaches the main character his moves and gets them started (Iruka intructed naruto) (roshi instructed goku)

Michael jackson and freiza - both have armies at command, and both want to anhilate an area.
(michael jackson has his sound ninja&#39;s and they take over konoha) (frieza had his guys and they blew up namec)

Videl and Sakura - hangs around the main character and expects to learn something cool. no ex

Broly and the 3 sennins - godlike

Gaara anc Cell - someones most deadly creations

High Speed - no ex

SUPER SAIYANS AND KYUBI NARUTO?&#33;

NARUTO TODAY as of episode 65

I CANT BELIEVE THEY TALKED THE WHOLE EPISODE&#33;&#33;

THEY TALK MORE THAN THEY FIGHT DUDE&#33;&#33;

flashbacks, more talk

DBZ as of today: what the other guy said

sorry folks, my analysis is accurate so soon, you will all see Naruto Ball Z

[EpoC]

I&#39;m tired of people constantly comparing DBZ and Naruto. Give it up already&#33; Every forum I&#39;ve been to with a naruto topic has compared naruto with DBZ.
OK it has some similarities but there are many animes that are similar to eachother
for an example trigun and cowboy bebop, they are both in the future and shooting and stuff and the people has some background problems. macross and other mecha animes they are all similar to eachother. the difference is always the storyline.

I&#39;m a fan of both naruto and dbz by the way

[Guest]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unidentified &#064; Jan 25 2004, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You&#39;re wrong when you said Dragon Ball on its on is jsut the same thing over and over again. One thing Goku never died in Dragon Ball so how could he go to the otehr world. Nobody in DragonBall tried to blow up the earth, there wasn&#39;t any villian that was strong enough to do so, and Picollo Daimou was the only one that had anything to do wtih controlling the Earth or anything of that magnitude and had the power to do so. IN Naruto, Naruto wins every major fight, and in Dragon Ball Goku spends times training for a quite bit of episodes and he still doesn&#39;t win in the martial arts tournament until the very end. Where Naruto just goes Kyubi and wins all the time if it&#39;s a major fight. You know Naruto is just going to go Kyubi and win, it&#39;s the same thing over and over again. And if you meant DragonBallZ which you only mentioned once and said Dragon Ball later then the only villian trying to blow up the earth was Cell and Buu. And if you actually watched some episodes you would know that you can only be wished back with a certain set of Dragon Balls once. Naruto gets his Kyubi power by just getting angry, where to turn into a Super Saiyan you have to go through intense training and extreme emotions, the first time and it isn&#39;t easy the rest of the time unless you train with it. Naruto is also a lot more predictible than Dragon Ball, as predictible as DBZ.

If the manga caught up to the anime like it did with DBZ early on then it would be just like DBZ with the prolonged fights, repetitive animation. Otherwise Naruto is still similar to DBZ in lots of other ways. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
since goku really DID die and the earth was target several times, im not interested in the rest of your reply. Credibility zero

Besides that. MAYBE noone noticed it, but Dragonball equals crap en Narute equals 7 on a scale of 10. Naruto in Kyubi mode, not even close to a supersayian . It&#39;s all how you look at it.

If you (in the first post) say &quot;ow look the same shiny aura for like, 5 sec, it must be DBZ. HELL UR RIGHT, but Naruto didnt easiliy win the match against nejji.

Just view the episode again. The examinator (whats his name?) said clearly&quot; even after he lost, he dug himself in and found another strategy&quot; (or some like that)

Naruto is far from unbeatable, nor is it an evercontinuing saga.

[RaZzy]

so...
DBZ was good for its time
Naruto is good for now

[Unidentified]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (?igma @ Jan 25 2004, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Unidentified &#064; Jan 25 2004, 11:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> You&#39;re wrong when you said Dragon Ball on its on is jsut the same thing over and over again. One thing Goku never died in Dragon Ball so how could he go to the otehr world. Nobody in DragonBall tried to blow up the earth, there wasn&#39;t any villian that was strong enough to do so, and Picollo Daimou was the only one that had anything to do wtih controlling the Earth or anything of that magnitude and had the power to do so. IN Naruto, Naruto wins every major fight, and in Dragon Ball Goku spends times training for a quite bit of episodes and he still doesn&#39;t win in the martial arts tournament until the very end. Where Naruto just goes Kyubi and wins all the time if it&#39;s a major fight. You know Naruto is just going to go Kyubi and win, it&#39;s the same thing over and over again. And if you meant DragonBallZ which you only mentioned once and said Dragon Ball later then the only villian trying to blow up the earth was Cell and Buu. And if you actually watched some episodes you would know that you can only be wished back with a certain set of Dragon Balls once. Naruto gets his Kyubi power by just getting angry, where to turn into a Super Saiyan you have to go through intense training and extreme emotions, the first time and it isn&#39;t easy the rest of the time unless you train with it. Naruto is also a lot more predictible than Dragon Ball, as predictible as DBZ.

If the manga caught up to the anime like it did with DBZ early on then it would be just like DBZ with the prolonged fights, repetitive animation. Otherwise Naruto is still similar to DBZ in lots of other ways. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
since goku really DID die and the earth was target several times, im not interested in the rest of your reply. Credibility zero

Besides that. MAYBE noone noticed it, but Dragonball equals crap en Narute equals 7 on a scale of 10. Naruto in Kyubi mode, not even close to a supersayian . It&#39;s all how you look at it.

If you (in the first post) say &quot;ow look the same shiny aura for like, 5 sec, it must be DBZ. HELL UR RIGHT, but Naruto didnt easiliy win the match against nejji.

Just view the episode again. The examinator (whats his name?) said clearly&quot; even after he lost, he dug himself in and found another strategy&quot; (or some like that)

Naruto is far from unbeatable, nor is it an evercontinuing saga.
</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
I don&#39;t mean to flame, but I guess you have a short attention span or something. You should have read the rest. The only time the Earth was targeted form destruction was with Cell and Frieze. But anyways I said DRAGON BALL. Goku never died in Dragon Ball, and he lost lots of time even after spending a season training and side quests, you never know when he would win or lose. Like during the fight with Master Roshi, there were a lot of episodes dedicated to training and all and it went from a Goku turning into a monkey to the moon being destroyed to a final showdown, where Goku got up and whoever said I am the champion wins. Goku was got up and he was in the middle of his sentence and he fell down and Master Roshi got up and said it. You wouldn&#39;t have expected that. Or the Goku vs. Tien fight was COMPLETELY unpredictible, at the very end it was kind of obvious Goku was going to win till out of nowhere he got hit and lost. Naruto as I said many times is predictible. I personally think Dragon Ball is a LOT better than Naruto. Although I grew up watching DBZ(in it&#39;s original version), I think Naruto is better than DBZ but not Dragon Ball.

[markos]

rock lee&#39;s technique &lt;that with gates&gt; is very similar to kaioken, besides there aren&#39;t too many deaths for a ninja story

[joker-kun]

I just wanted to point out to igma (not sure if this is what he meant) ummmm goku didnt win easily when he turned ss, nor did the others (ecept cell at first),now as I said I dunno if that what you meant, but it sounded as though you were implying that Naruto doesnt win easily with kyuubi and Goku did win easily with super saiyin.

[Shin Muhre]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RaZzy @ Jan 25 2004, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> so...
DBZ was good for its time
Naruto is good for now </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>


I absolutely agree. There was a time for the DB series to be the king of this anime style and that time is over. Now Naruto is going farther , deeper, and more intellegently in to that sort of style, better then 90% of all the other anime out there. Anime fans worldwide have been waiting for an anime creator to step up and make a show like this and finally its happened.

Yes, its true that both DB and Naruto are drawn out, and thats the selling point. I do think that Naruto has much, much deeper of a story tho, encompassing countless characters and plot lines. The formula for DBZ was

#1 - Get beat by an incredibly strong baddie
#2 - Power up way stronger then before
#3 - Beat him in the most dramatic way possible

You can obviously see this same pattern in Naruto because it sells. The difference is that the pattern is way more diversitifed and elaborated upon then DBZ.

Anyways, they&#39;re similar, no question about it. I&#39;m just glad that Naruto&#39;s here to be enjoyed (and Im glad for broadband internet )

[Kite]

You guys have to look at one thing:

First off let me say that Dragonball is my favorite series and always will be. It was the first anime I ever watched in the original format way before it became popular here. Not only did the problem occur with the anime cathcing up to the manga, but Akira Toriyama himself stated that he wanted to end the seiries many times. His original plan was to end it after they found the 7 dragonballs. He also wanted to end it after the Freeza saga, and again at the Cell saga. The reason he continued it was because of its popularity and people encouraging him to. This is also a reason why there are a lot of plot holes. Almost every show has been compared to Dragonball also, I don&#39;t know why, and i never agree.

If you want to see a big similarity, take a look at Hunter x Hunter(which I can&#39;t wait for the new OVA). I started watching both around the same time and you see many similarities. They are still two completely different animes. At the moment, Naruto and Hunter x Hunter are my two favorite animes running.

The truth is this will never be settled. For every person that has a reason to like Dragonball there is another that has a reason to hate. It happens to a lot of good animes.

[Kn1ves]

Only if we can collect the 7 Star Dragon Balls to ressurect Dosu
then all will be fair and well