Is Naruto Really a Hard Worker type?

[Virtual]

if im correct sasuke also is lookin for a shortcut to get stronger

[Hakeem_21]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Virtual @ Jan 24 2004, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> if im correct sasuke also is lookin for a shortcut to get stronger </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah its sasuke that is lazy and the only time he trains is when he copied something like the Chidori If he was a hardworker he would become stronger with his will like Naruto and Rock Lee.

[Virtual]

ill also agree with moridin

[Mgslee]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hakeem_21 @ Jan 24 2004, 08:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Yeah its sasuke that is lazy and the only time he trains is when he copied something like the Chidori If he was a hardworker he would become stronger with his will like Naruto and Rock Lee. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
No no and no

Sasuke was a hard worker from the beginning of the series always looking to get stronger. Hes also smart enough to take the short cuts when they become available ... You dont have to work hard to get stronger.

The whole saying of &quot;work smarter not harder&quot; defiently applies to this series.

Considering the few times Sasuke has had time to train in the series hes defiently improved alot...

[Virtual]

i think if u were to talk about being a genius and saying how neji and sasuke and how that connects them to being hard workers, then cant we say that itachi would be there to?

i mean i can understand if he wasnt on the list because it never really tells us about his training or anything from what i remember, but i would think he is

[Hotsuma]

Naruto has no natural ability. The KYUUBI isn&#39;t a natural ability. It&#39;s a totally seperate entity that resides within him. You can&#39;t say it&#39;s &quot;Naruto&#39;s&quot; like you can say the Byakugan is Nejis, and Sharingan is Sasuke&#39;s. The Kyuubi and Naruto are two different characters.

Naruto sucks, when compared to people like Neji and Sasuke. He won a fight ,but overall, Sasuke and Neji are still mountains ahead of him, in terms of potential. Naruto has more raw power, but he&#39;s such a fool, that he can&#39;t begin to comprehend just how much more effectively it can be used. He just does everything so rashly, that he _needs_ that extra bit of power to even survive, ratio-wise when compared to the other people. If he were to have the same amount of raw power like, say... Sasuke, he&#39;d die.

That&#39;s my take on things.

Neji and Sasuke are, however naturally gifted people.

[OshadowO]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mgslee @ Jan 24 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If your constantly asking for help your not neccesarily a hardworker its just a smarter thing to do.

Being smart and a hardworker are defiently different things.

Who would be the harder worker in the following situation?
personA ) Spends 3 years trying to create the better mouse trap on there own
personB ) Does some research and makes a better mouse trap in a month

Someone who is willing to &quot;reinvent the wheel&quot; (This is Neji) is defiently a harder working type then someone just looking for answers (Naruto) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Well it seems you agree that its kinda dumb to keep trying to reinvent the wheel all the time..so to say:/

I still would argue that being a smart worker doesn&#39;t discount you as a hard worker. All it means is if you work smart and hard you&#39;re going to surge ahead of the guy who&#39;s just an hard worker.

After all person B who created the mouse trap in a month can apply himself and start a whole production line of mouse traps and eradicate all mice in 3 yrs by the time person A is done.

Actually I&#39;m not sure what we&#39;re debating anymore lol

[moridin]

Question: Did you just totally miss his fights in the 2nd Chuunin Exam, against Neji, against Zabuza, against Kabuto, as well as Gaara?

He is powerful, agreed, and he is rash, but he is something on the level of a fighting genius. He can&#39;t think 100 steps ahead like Shikamaru or even 50 like Neji, Sasuke, and Shino are at, but he is absolutely a genius at thinking up on the fly strategies. In the fight against Zabuza&#39;s Water Clone, that was HIS strategy, not Sasuke&#39;s that freed Kakashi. In the second Chuunin exam, he took the initiative and spent the ENTIRE night fighting with his clones disguised as his teammates. Against Neji, he thought up the strategy on the fly, after being hit by a force greater than what he hit Neji with (because of the reciprocation of the force hitting Kaiten) and beats him. Against Kabuto, he thinks to use the 3 clones to keep Kabuto still while using Rasengan (a strategy which was unforeseen by both Kabuto and Tsunade). Against Gaara, the Naruto Clone Body Slam was a pretty good way of getting behind Gaara (as a half demon freak), even if it didn&#39;t do much damage.

As to asking for help meaning that someone is not a hard worker...that&#39;s a load of bull. Anyone who only relies on themselves to come up with the answer is an absolute retard. The reason that we are educated is because it leads to GREATER advancement if we learn what has already been learned by someone else. Hard work means you work hard, not that you don&#39;t ask for help.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Who would be the harder worker in the following situation?
personA ) Spends 3 years trying to create the better mouse trap on there own
personB ) Does some research and makes a better mouse trap in a month</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Obviously person B is both a hard worker (since he came up with a better mouse trap) and more intelligent. Person A is an idiot for spending 3 years attempting to figure out a better mouse trap without researching on the side.

Also, you seem to be implying you wanted Naruto to figure out how to do Summoning and Rasengan by himself....Good job. If he could do that, he would be on par with the Hokage already. Remember who was the only one to figure out Rasengan by himself? That&#39;s right...the fourth Hokage. Now you want a 13 year old to do it...man you have some pretty low standards there, buddy.

[Trip]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 23 2004, 02:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> just because he uses up alot of chakra doesnt mean hes a hard worker </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
the point i was trying to make was that his high chakra levels are due to his hard work and training

[Mgslee]

Oh jeez, some of you really got to stop thinking I&#39;m bashing Naruto for not being a hard worker. Naruto is my favorite character but I dont classify him as a hard working type.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>As to asking for help meaning that someone is not a hard worker...that&#39;s a load of bull. Anyone who only relies on themselves to come up with the answer is an absolute retard. The reason that we are educated is because it leads to GREATER advancement if we learn what has already been learned by someone else. Hard work means you work hard, not that you don&#39;t ask for help. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

The retard is by far the harder worker. Naruto is a smart lazy with lots of potential... You dont have to work hard to be smart...

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Obviously person B is both a hard worker (since he came up with a better mouse trap) and more intelligent. Person A is an idiot for spending 3 years attempting to figure out a better mouse trap without researching on the side.

Also, you seem to be implying you wanted Naruto to figure out how to do Summoning and Rasengan by himself....Good job. If he could do that, he would be on par with the Hokage already. Remember who was the only one to figure out Rasengan by himself? That&#39;s right...the fourth Hokage. Now you want a 13 year old to do it...man you have some pretty low standards there, buddy. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Just because you can do something doesnt imply your a hard worker. If you can do a HW assignment in 10 mins while it takes me 1 hr (and we both do it to completion and recive the same mark) who is the harder worker? Your smarter then me but I defiently worked harder.
What you do with that extra 50 mins would only make you a hard worker if you spent it studying, Naruto does not spend his extra time training, he spends it doing other things...

I think people need to look at their defintions of what it takes to be a hard worker vs a smart worker

[Hotsuma]

Actually, I think I agree. Naruto isn&#39;t exactly an grade A student, or even a grade C. He&#39;s a slacker, through and through. But, when things do count, he works pretty hard. If you motivate him enough, he&#39;ll actually bust his hump to acheive something.

But, aside from that, he&#39;s a slacker.

Slackers rule.

[revel911]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (moridin @ Jan 25 2004, 04:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Question: Did you just totally miss his fights in the 2nd Chuunin Exam, against Neji, against Zabuza, against Kabuto, as well as Gaara?

He is powerful, agreed, and he is rash, but he is something on the level of a fighting genius. He can&#39;t think 100 steps ahead like Shikamaru or even 50 like Neji, Sasuke, and Shino are at, but he is absolutely a genius at thinking up on the fly strategies. In the fight against Zabuza&#39;s Water Clone, that was HIS strategy, not Sasuke&#39;s that freed Kakashi. In the second Chuunin exam, he took the initiative and spent the ENTIRE night fighting with his clones disguised as his teammates. Against Neji, he thought up the strategy on the fly, after being hit by a force greater than what he hit Neji with (because of the reciprocation of the force hitting Kaiten) and beats him. Against Kabuto, he thinks to use the 3 clones to keep Kabuto still while using Rasengan (a strategy which was unforeseen by both Kabuto and Tsunade). Against Gaara, the Naruto Clone Body Slam was a pretty good way of getting behind Gaara (as a half demon freak), even if it didn&#39;t do much damage. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Amen, I was hoping someone would say this. Them sasuke fans seem to forget all the times that Naruto actually thought ahead.

About his natural talent, if I recall in the first episode he used the Sacred Scroll of forbidden Justus and learned Kage Bunshin less than a few hours. That has to count for something. Also, the large amount of stamina is his natural ability, that isn&#39;t from the Kyubi.... could be inheritated trait...... who knows?

[moridin]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If you can do a HW assignment in 10 mins while it takes me 1 hr (and we both do it to completion and recive the same mark) who is the harder worker? Your smarter then me but I defiently worked harder. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Just because I finish faster than you does not make you the harder worker. I just work faster. I could have worked just as hard as you but I just accomplish more with the time that I worked. Same applies for the mousetrap scenario. Person B accomplished more with the time he had. This does not imply that he works any less. I think perhaps you should realize being fast and working hard are not neccessarily related and oftentimes can be mutually exclusive.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>He&#39;s a slacker, through and through. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

If you believe that, fine, but I&#39;d like to know what you thought about Hinata&#39;s flashbacks of Naruto training.

[Mgslee]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>If you believe that, fine, but I&#39;d like to know what you thought about Hinata&#39;s flashbacks of Naruto training. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Those are in the Anime not the Manga. The anime makes naruto out to be a hard worker (with inconsistancies mind you)

Its all about effort put in to something. I agree that how fast someone takes to complete something doesnt nessesarily show how hard they worked on it but I was trying to make a simple example.

Someone who completes something faster then someone else usually has to put less effort in completing the task.

I would rather think Naruto is a character that can get things done when it counts. Not someone who could do everything if you gave him enough time.

[rEkKaShInObI]

naruto works hard, he just has no talent. in other words, DROPOUT

[Magnus]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 21 2004, 07:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and the more chakra you have the more you can train or use.
i&#39;m saying that everyone whos trained hard has been shown for training hard, we see basically EVERYTHING Naruto does - and he only trained once when taught by Jiyaira.
from what we see all Neji and Lee do is train, they seem to be doing it everytime they&#39;re not at the place (ie before the chuunin exams they&#39;re training, during the month break etc etc etc) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
BS... we only saw part of his training. Speculation. Speculation. Speculation.

[Death BOO Z]

how do you explain Naruto&#39;s reaction after being attacked, the whole &quot;i&#39;m training my ass off every day&#33;&quot; thing?

it&#39;s chapter 10, where there is a picture of his training schedule on the cover.

[BluSyn]

even though naruto has the kyuubi and has a hell of a lot more chakra then everybody else, u guys seem to forget about his poor chakra use. Sure he has a lot but he is horrible at using it so its not the big of an advantage.Eventually naruto is gonna surpass everyone else but unless i missed something, naruto still sucks at chakra use so he probably has to train just as hard as everyone else to become stronger.
*sorry if this has already been mentioned but i dont have time to read all those messages*

[khaodessy]

his charka control should have improved greatly due to learning the resangen which is total charka control. from the series point of view naruto has trouble with low level jutsu. jaraiya already said that narutos training up to this point has all been wrong.

[Everon]

Naruto isn&#39;t a slacker, he&#39;s just untalented. Though he sometimes relies on chakra from the Kyubi, compared to others he has to work a lot harder than anyone else. I totally agree with Naruto noticing how Lee&#39;s hands were worn down during his first fight with Sasuke. For Naruto to notice that is show not only that he&#39;s observant, but he knows that hard work does pay off.