Itachi

[Hotsuma]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz @ Jan 13 2004, 09:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> he would still have been the ANBU leader, the reason sasuke sucks and Itachi doesn&#39;t is because Sasuke puts no effort into even trying to kill Itachi, he&#39;s the same age about now as Itachi was when Itachi became an ANBU captain and sasuke is still the little cry baby who can&#39;t even become a chuunin blah his whole charachter sucks major ass </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
But by that comparision, not many people are shit, compared to Itachi. Only person that can even begin to compare is Kakashi, and we know just how far Itachi is ahead of him.

[Insomniac]

Kakashi and Gai are the only two jounins that we know of that could give Itachi a decent fight (while Kakashi got cained by the mange sharigan i&#39;m sure he wouldnt make that mistake again, he told the others to close their eyes so obviously from now on he&#39;ll avoid it)
everyone above jounin level is either a match for Itachi or stronger i&#39;d say, Kisame said himself that Jiyaira is a match for both him and Itachi and Itachi said that every strong man has a weakness, which he admits that Jiyaira is strong and possibly the only way to defeat him is to attack his weakness.


also, and i cant stress this enough.
Kakashi only got beaten so badly because he made a mistake, he thought he could counter the mange sharigan and he couldnt, there was no other evidence to show that Itachi was far above Kakashi.
its just like how Kabuto underestimated Naruto with his rasegen. One move can decide the battle.
If Kakashi hadnt of tried to take on the mange sharigan head on he would have lasted alot longer and all you Itachi fans have to realize that

Itachi is about Kakashis level from what we&#39;ve seen with one major jutsu to his advantage

[DeluxSkillz]

i&#39;m an Itachi fan and i&#39;m not one of those stupid fans out there who think Itachi is god just because he can use mange sharingan apart from this technique he must posses countless more techniques and his jutsu speed was amazing even for Kakashi so he&#39;s definately no match for Itachi, Itachi even spared his life for whatever unknown reason, Gai is the only one we know of who can pose a threat to Itachi, by saying every strong man has a weakness he stated that he could beat Jiraiya maybe not so easily and he will probably get hurt in the process but I say there&#39;s 85% chance Itachi beats the living crap out of Jiraiya...........oh and sasuke remains gay and a scaredy-cat how he so nicely put it, to me he&#39;s the worst charachter of the series and gets way too much spotlight

to edit my post, if you go back and read the chapters you can see that Kakashi was already out of breath after such a short fight and Kakashi looks scared when Itachi tells him he&#39;s gonna show him how a true sharingan user uses his sharingan so Kakashi is in no way a match for Itachi, also Itachi is only in danger when he uses his manga sharingan to much so if he doesn&#39;t use it then his stamina depletes the same way as anyone elses

[itachi_]

It will take time, Sasuke may beat itachi when he&#39;s 30 ? or never...

[Mut]

KAKASHI DOESN&#39;T FALL FOR THE SAME TRICK TWICE. WE LEARNED THAT DURING THE FIGHT BETWEEN HIM AND ZABUZA.

[Insomniac]

Itachi has no other option but to die really, if he surrenders then the leaf will execute him.
You cant get away with murdering a clan when you just want to say &#39;hey stop i&#39;m good now leave me alone&#39; its something thats going to be on Itachis back for the rest of his life and means hes eventually going to die.
If he does give up being a shinobi, Sasuke will probably murder him the first chance he gets.

I dont think that everyone bad will die, for good to exist there has to be evil. Its just that Itachi has made sure that he&#39;ll die one day by keeping Sasuke alive and telling him to train to kill him. Once Orochimaru taps into Sasukes potential (which we know is more then Itachi&#39;s) he&#39;ll get stronger quicker and we&#39;ll see them face off.

Also as we know, the only one that can defeat the mange sharigan by looking at it directly is a member of the same blood.
Now why would Itachi leave Sasuke alive if hes the only one who can defeat that technique and also make Sasuke want to kill him.

Itachi wants to die, when Sasuke reaches his potential though.

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz @ Jan 13 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ofcourse Itachi is gonna die but only by sasuke&#39;s or naruto&#39;s hands and only by a miraculous way ofcourse, either naruto using kyubi powers or sasuke after training for many many years </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if itachi dies by none other than sasuke, i will call the series a flop. especially if he dies by naruto. i just can&#39;t even imagine that happening. no, i do not want to imagine that happening. cuz if he does... GOOD GAME TO THE SECOND MOST SIGNIFICANT STORY/GOAL IN THE SERIES.

[Hotsuma]

What&#39;s the first most significant goal? Naruto becoming Hokage? Boooring.

Naruto has as much buisness killing Itachi, as Sasuke as of becoming Hokage.

They&#39;re two completely different dimensions, that just can&#39;t be combined. Anybody that even contemplates Naruto killing Itachi is just freakin stupid.

[DeluxSkillz]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (dazzz @ Jan 14 2004, 01:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz &#064; Jan 13 2004, 04:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> ofcourse Itachi is gonna die but only by sasuke&#39;s or naruto&#39;s hands and only by a miraculous way ofcourse, either naruto using kyubi powers or sasuke after training for many many years </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
if itachi dies by none other than sasuke, i will call the series a flop. especially if he dies by naruto. i just can&#39;t even imagine that happening. no, i do not want to imagine that happening. cuz if he does... GOOD GAME TO THE SECOND MOST SIGNIFICANT STORY/GOAL IN THE SERIES. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
IDIOT

[Insomniac]

the whole reason Itachi is in the series is to give Sasuke a goal to reach.
if he dies to Naruto then the whole reason for Sasukes existance is gone, just as if Sasuke became hokage, Narutos life would be over.


also it quite cleary said only one of the same blood can defeat the mange sharigan. Which means ONLY Sasuke


(ignoring the possibility of Orochimaru taking over Sasukes body that is)

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeluxSkillz @ Jan 14 2004, 02:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> IDIOT </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
why did you call me an idiot. are you trying to start something.

[Mut]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Insomniac: While the Kyubi may be the most powerful being in Naruto, I don&#39;t think that he is undefeatable. There is Gaara&#39;s demon, Gamma Bunta, and lot&#39;s of strong Ninja&#39;s in the Leaf village for the Kyubi to contend with</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>kyuubi is the most powerful being that we know in the series. nothing can beat it. not yet.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>it would be BAD for sasuke to be the one to kill itachi........
remember how everyone keeps going on about a life of just revenge will be empty after the goal is accomplished? (or maybe just kakashi said that)

i would expect naruto to kill itachi after sasuke comes to the realization that revenge isnt a goal worth having in life </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
what? dude, no. why the hell would naruto kill itachi? also, sasuke isn&#39;t gonna kill itachi out of revenge, he&#39;s gonna kill him because he has to (ie, save someone). sauske has to kill itachi no matter what his reason is. if anyone else kills him, then...naruto won&#39;t become the hokage.

[Hotsuma]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 14 2004, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> the whole reason Itachi is in the series is to give Sasuke a goal to reach.
if he dies to Naruto then the whole reason for Sasukes existance is gone, just as if Sasuke became hokage, Narutos life would be over.


also it quite cleary said only one of the same blood can defeat the mange sharigan. Which means ONLY Sasuke


(ignoring the possibility of Orochimaru taking over Sasukes body that is) </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Exactly. I don&#39;t know why so many idiot fanboys think Naruto will kill Itachi, or even dream of it. So what if he has the Kyuubi. It&#39;s not like he&#39;ll use it to do every little thing in the series.

[Insomniac]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Insomniac: While the Kyubi may be the most powerful being in Naruto, I don&#39;t think that he is undefeatable. There is Gaara&#39;s demon, Gamma Bunta, and lot&#39;s of strong Ninja&#39;s in the Leaf village for the Kyubi to contend with. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

It took on the whole of Kohona. killed alot of them too and it didnt look like it was going to stop anytime soon, it took the 4th sealing it (not fighting it) to win.
Basically this tells us that you cannot beat the Kyuubi in a fight

Gamabunta is no where near as strong as the Kyuubi as just its tails were enough to destroy trees, and hes got 9 tails

the reason why theres such a big deal about the Kyuubi is if it ever returns there will be no one to stop it, now that the 3rd and 4th are gone. It would destroy each village systematically

[Hotsuma]

I don&#39;t think Gama Bunta is as powerful as people make him out to be. The 4th was riding atop his head in his battle against the Kyuubi, but still lost with everything he had. Gama Bunta. Jutsus. All of Konoha.

Now, what I&#39;m wondering is.. where were the other villages when Kyuubi was released?

[Insomniac]

villages probably would not come to assist because they&#39;re fearing that other hostile villages will invade while they are off battling the kyuubi

the whole continent is in a state of near war all the time

[Legendary Nin]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 14 2004, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> and all the stupid people in it that claim that Itachi&#39;s stronger then the 1st 2nd and 3rd put together </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
When you start to do math with characters powers,it gets stupid.He&#39;s not a god,but strong.And my refernce to calling him god,it was just to be catchy for the fanbase thread.Just like people consider Rock Lee,Naruto,Hinata etc a god.It seems people are taking it out of context.I consider him very strong,one of the strongest,if not,the strongest to come so far.But no one character is &quot;god&quot;.Might as well clear that up as well.Not that it was taken out of context in this thread.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Now, what I&#39;m wondering is.. where were the other villages when Kyuubi was released? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Most likely waiting for Leafs army to fall,then invade when they are weak.I believe that the treaty wasn&#39;t in place at the time,so it was everyone for themselves sort of speak.

[Insomniac]

even if the treaty was in place i&#39;m not sure they would have helped out because it seems everyones just waiting for a chance to attack (sand etc)
most villages are jealous of kohona getting all the jobs

[itachi_]

If Naruto summon Gamabunta and reaches most of the kyubi&#39;s chakra (he hasen&#39;t got much chakra from kyubi yet) he&#39;ll probably be a match for Itachi... Maybe he&#39;ll win, but then he&#39;s gotta have 100 % of the original kyubi chakra though.

[Insomniac]

No one is a match for the raw power of the Kyuubi, no one.
The 4th didnt actually fight the Kyuubi he just sealed it

no matter how good Itachi is with one stomp of the Kyuubi in his actual form Itachis dead, have to remember that the Kyuubi isnt a nin or anything, hes a monster and hes the size of a stadium.
if Naruto ever gets 100% of the Kyuubi power theres no one that&#39;ll stop him or even come close