The most anticipated fight

**Harageki** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 07:38 AM

Firstly, Jiraiy4 : Shut the fuck up, jeez...woulda thought you got the message by now. If your gonna make a point, first make sure you have paragraphs, correct spelling, and clear and logical arguements. Which you obviously dont.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>lets face it though, Lees not coming back in a fighting capacity this was proven when Naruto beat Neji and Sasuke went futher then Lee could in a such a little time plus even if he recovers hes behind in training compared to everyone, he cant really catch up since all his hardwork into his taijutsu took years to build up

Lee has as much a chance of getting as good as Naruto and Sasuke as Dosu has of coming back to life now</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Eh, how is Lee not coming back in fighting capacity proven by Naruto and Sasuke improving? If its a case of ` he`ll be weaker then them` , it doesnt make much sense, as both naruto and sasuke are both a lot stronger then most other genins. And dont forget the point of Lee is to prove people wrong : he`s been doing that since the beginning. Sure, hes been out of action for a while...but to be honest, think about how he took down Naruto in one/maybe two moves, and beat on sasuke, and was still playing around with him. Sasuke couldnt even touch him. So, even if Naruto and Sasuke have improved a lot, there wont be that big a gap for Lee to catch up to: in Taijutsu, you retain the technique in your mind, which never leaves you. Especially with Lee, and his burning it into his head all day long routines..The only thing he would have to work on again is strength (his speed prob hasnt suffered too bad, since he had such an amazing amount in the first place) and maybe flexibility? not a big problem for such a hard worker. As for the Dosu thing, he has absolutely 0 percent chance of coming back to life, wheras I would say Lee`s chance of recovery and becoming stronger again are pretty good, tho of course definitly not 100 percent.

**Hotsuma** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 11:12 AM

He's got a good chance, because :

1. Tsunade is renowned for her healing. She's probably the best medic in the series, along with Kabuto.

2. You see that flashback. When you see flashbacks in Naruto, regarding somebody losing a loved one - you see a burst of power

3. Kishimoto isn't arrogant so that he's gonna make the loser a gimp forever. He's not gonna give wanabe-special people like Jiraiy4 here, the pleasure of losers not getting anywhere in life.

**Vagabond** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 11:16 AM

I don't see how people like Lee but dislike Naruto. They are basically the same except that Naruto has a demon inside of his body and Lee doesn't.

BTW i dunno if this was covered in the manga or not but why don't we ever see Lee parents?

**Insomniac** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 11:24 AM

nobody really liked Lee until he was introduced as the struggling character, basically thats what he'll be doing for the rest of the series.
Even if hes healed his injury will force him to cut back on training (unless some cheesy explaination is given like - oh look hes as good as new)
You wont be seeing him open gates anymore unless Kishimoto wants to kill him off completely so basically everything that most Lee fans liked about Lee's fighting style he shouldnt be able to do again. (Lotus's are self damaging and would cause even greater damage on Lee)

people hope that he comes back and kicks ass again and its just not realistic especially with the condition Lee is in, even if he is healed completely he'll be weaker from the experience not stronger, people dont just recover from sugery straight away. Even if the surgery is a success he'll have to recover for about 6 months or so till he can start to fight again and do you really think the plots going to focus on him for all that ?

its just easier to keep him as the struggler storyline wise.

as for the most anticipated fight i would have to say Orochimaru vs Itachi would be good to watch. Some people are scared of spiders, doesnt mean they cant kill them.

**itachi_** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 11:35 AM

I also hope that someone will die soon in naruto because it would be good for the story, I hope neji dies.

**Insomniac** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 11:41 AM

if someone dies it wont be Neji, most likely chouji.
expect a 2 chapter greive session

**Harageki** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 01:18 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>nobody really liked Lee until he was introduced as the struggling character, basically thats what he'll be doing for the rest of the series.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

I liked him from the first ep in which he was introduced

and that increased even more after the sasuke fight, added to the forest fight, etc..the more of his personality/fighting style that was revealed, the more badass he became. And all that was before he was known to be a struggling character, heh.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>so basically everything that most Lee fans liked about Lee's fighting style he shouldnt be able to do again. (Lotus's are self damaging and would cause even greater damage on Lee)</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

The people who liked Lee purely cuz of his lotus, which is addmitadly cool, are called people jumping on the bandwagon. The point is, Lee still looks awesome using normal taijutsu, and moves like leaf violent wind and Kohona Senpu are just awesome to see on their own, anyway.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>people hope that he comes back and kicks ass again and its just not realistic especially with the condition Lee is in, even if he is healed completely he'll be weaker from the experience not stronger, people dont just recover from sugery straight away.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

He`ll be weaker in the physical aspect, but mentally, he`ll have crossed yet another hurdle on his path to becoming an excellent ninja and proving his way, which can make him that much stronger. Remember when he saw Gai smile, and his speed suddenly returned? dont underestimate the capabilities of the mind. Even if he takes a while to fully recover, most of what makes him own is his personality/etc. He`ll overcome his worn out body, anyway. After Bruce Lee damaged a nerve in his back and was bed ridden for weeks on end, doctors said he would never be able to kick again. He eventually ignored the pain, and became an even BETTER martial artist then before.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>its just easier to keep him as the struggler storyline wise.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

True, but after all this pain hes been going through while everyone been getting stronger, I think its time he got another boost character wise. Its been long overdue.

**Hotsuma** · Sun, 01-11-2004, 01:31 PM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 10 2004, 04:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Hotsuma that jutsu after jutsu thing is mainly boring when its Naruto doing it, i mean everyone elses jutsus are so much cooler, besides Chouji.
You cant say that you didnt like the hokage battle? that was mainly jutsus, but decent ones

personally i hate to see the same crap reused over and over like Naruto does, Sasukes way better to watch fight because he tries a varity - by the way Gai can use jutsus unlike Lee, theres nothing that suggests that he cant and he was able to cancel the genjutsu in the stadium so theres some proof that he can use some jutsu at least.

lets face it though, Lees not coming back in a fighting capacity this was proven when Naruto beat Neji and Sasuke went futher then Lee could in a such a little time plus even if he recovers hes behind in training compared to everyone, he cant really catch up since all his hardwork into his taijutsu took years to build up

Lee has as much a chance of getting as good as Naruto and Sasuke as Dosu has of coming back to life now </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah.. you got a point there. The Hokage battle was an impressive display of skills. Mainly because he can switch them on and off, so fast.

**Insomniac** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 02:39 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Remember when he saw Gai smile, and his speed suddenly returned? dont underestimate the capabilities of the mind. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

that was because Lee opened the first gate and recovered, not only because Gai smiled

Lee is an orphen, it says it in one of his flashbacks.

**Harageki** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 04:04 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 12 2004, 12:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> when Lee started his glow fest he was already up to the 3rd gate, which means he opened the first gate to regain his speed and the 2nd to do his lotus.

If you dont believe me watch that bit again

he clearly says 3rd gate open when hes going red, and i'm pretty that Gai explained that he opened the heal gate when he regained his speed </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
huh? I`m now confused. I AGREE he opened his first gate 0-o I`m just saying his recovery from the initial lotus was not actually a recovery, but him exerting willpower to override his pain.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> think, wait, no...i KNOW that sasuke at lvl 2 will shatter lee's dreams of being a shinobi worse than gaara did even if lee has a 100% recovery (and no, he won't be stronger even if he recovers since he's not a saiya-jin). </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Firstly, the fact that Sasuke has become so strong has nothing to do with Lee. Sasuke at level 2 is probabaly stronger then ALL the genins, why single Lee out? you could say for example, that Neji`s dreams have been shattered, which obviously sounds stupid, as hes an amazingly talented shinobi. Which is my point...no matter how talented some guy is, it doesnt autmoatically make everyone else crap fools who should give up being a shinobi. Thats like saying everyone who trained alongside Itachi are pathetic.

And of course he wont be stronger straight after he heals. He`ll have to recover for a few days from the surgery, then start to build his muscle mass and flexibility back to the level he was at before, which wont actually take TOO long, since he hasnt been out of commission long enough to completely deteriorate. Knowing what a hard worker he is, he`ll go far past his originial level, and maybe even have the speed he has with weights off as his normal speed with weights on. Would be interesting to see.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>EDIT: it's totally clear that all the genins are like SUPER-AWESOME-EXTRA-MEGA-ULTRA stronger now. lee will always be like 4000 steps behind everyone.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

They are? Sakura, Ino, Shikamaru, etc are still `weaker` then how Lee was when he fought Gaara. Choji has to take PILLS to become stronger, or Lee will wipe the floor with him in a single move. And even for people like Sasuke and Naruto, I would never say they were 4000 steps above Lee, where did you get that from? Lee dropped Naruto in one hit, and toyed with sasuke without being touched just before the chuunin exam. Perhaps they`ve grown a lot since then, but I dont think it will take anyway near the amount of time you`ve said for Lee to get back on the level.

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ie. when the genins were assembling to chase sasuke, they were all flying through the forest while lee was on his crutches. rofl.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

ha ha.

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**HyuugaZaba** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 04:14 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (animemaster @ Jan 8 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Lvl 2 cursed seal Sasuke vs Naruto <span style='color:gray'><I'd hope that they do fight, may not happen but who knows></span></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
really looking fordward to this, will be amazing! Naruto will destroy sasuke with the rasengan, sure, after he ackwnoledge than sasuke is really an evil guy and there's no posibility of change sasuke's mind [this is my dream... sigh]

<span style='color:red'>iwant to be promoted at genin level.. how many post i must have??</span>

**Harageki** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 04:19 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HyuugaZaba @ Jan 12 2004, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (animemaster @ Jan 8 2004, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Lvl 2 cursed seal Sasuke vs Naruto <span style='color:gray'><I'd hope that they do fight, may not happen but who knows></span></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
really looking fordward to this, will be amazing! Naruto will destroy sasuke with the rasengan, sure, after he ackwnoledge than sasuke is really an evil guy and there's no posibility of change sasuke's mind [this is my dream... sigh]

<span style='color:red'>iwant to be promoted at genin level.. how many post i must have??</span> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
No idea, probabaly 100? not sure.

**Jiraiy4** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 04:25 AM

lol you kids crack me up~ Im telling you guys to stop being bias and look at reality with the facts and truth. Look at you..fuzzy eye brow dick riding kids. lol I can't stop laughing cuz Lee's you hero, simply because he resembles you losers' in many ways. Haha and defending your hero by calling me stuff that don't even bother me. Go ahead and call me immature, but take a look in the mirror and ask yourself "do I really like Lee cuz he gives me hope that losers like me can achieve something?"

**Vagabond** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 05:13 AM

I think most people like Lee because of his sick taijutsu (At least thats what I like about him). Also about the whole thing about Lee being a loser, people don't necessarily relate to him but I think people just like to see someone beat the odds. About people not liking Naruto I think it is natural to not like the main character. i.e. When I used to watch Rurouni Kenshin I liked Sanosuke a lot more than Kenshin.

**Harageki** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 05:37 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Jiraiy4 @ Jan 12 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> lol you kids crack me up~ Im telling you guys to stop being bias and look at reality with the facts and truth. Look at you..fuzzy eye brow dick riding kids. lol I can't stop laughing cuz Lee's you hero, simply because he resembles you losers' in many ways. Haha and defending your hero by calling me stuff that don't even bother me. Go ahead and call me immature, but take a look in the mirror and ask yourself "do I really like Lee cuz he gives me hope that losers like me can achieve something?" </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
lmao...you say WE crack you up? other way round, I`m sure. I think its hilarious you spend time bashing a fictional character and people that like him, then have the nerve to call other people losers? Lee aint `my hero`, he`s simply a character that people in RL should aspire to be like, due to his hard work and determination ethic. I dont need to `look in the mirror`, perhaps thats something you should devote your time to - As for me being a loser like Lee, I dont see any simillarities. I`m an accomplished martial artist, get good grades, have a lot of friends and generally enjoy life, instead of insulting an anime character and pretending to be past puberty. *shrug* the simple comment you made of `fuzzy eye brow dick riding kids` just proves this fact - your one of those fuckers who have nothing better to do then what your doing at the moment, so I pity you. Have fun Lee bashing.

**HyuugaZaba** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 06:44 AM

I don't want to enter the discuss about lee, but there's one thing. What about jiray4 neural capacity, less from normal people?. Nah. After we aclared this point, this is my oppinion.

Lee's a very good char, resembling beautiful things of life, tryharder, really fine shinobi. But i think that taijutsu is the weakest of the jutsus. Only think about taijutsu is the only jutsu that lee's able to perform. in this case, a lower genjutsu (illusionary jutsu, i think) can beaten lee in 99% of the cases. Altought, lee's a very good char, favourite one of many people. Also, he's in my top 10 chars ^^.

One more thing, Gai-sensei is kinda lee? i mean, he only can do taijutsu??

**Harageki** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 06:51 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (HyuugaZaba @ Jan 12 2004, 05:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I don't want to enter the discuss about lee, but there's one thing. What about jiray4 neural capacity, less from normal people?. Nah. After we aclared this point, this is my oppinion.

Lee's a very good char, resembling beautiful things of life, tryharder, really fine shinobi. But i think that taijutsu is the weakest of the jutsus. Only think about taijutsu is the only jutsu that lee's able to perform. in this case, a lower genjutsu (illusionary jutsu, i think) can beaten lee in 99% of the cases. Altought, lee's a very good char, favourite one of many people. Also, he's in my top 10 chars ^^.

One more thing, Gai-sensei is kinda lee? i mean, he only can do taijutsu??

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I would hardly call it a discussion, more like something likened to cleaning dog shit off your foot....something unpleasant that has to be done. Which hopefully you wont have to do again

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The Gai thing? hm, I think he can use Genjutsu and Ninjutsu as well as Taijutsu, dont think he`s like Lee.

**Mut** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 07:58 AM

i'm only singling out lee cuz EVERYBODY loves him so much. but that doesn't mean i hate him or anything. i just hate how everyone praises lee and he is obviously overrated.

**Harageki** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 08:02 AM

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Insomniac @ Jan 12 2004, 01:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Remember when he saw Gai smile, and his speed suddenly returned? dont underestimate the capabilities of the mind. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

that was because Lee opened the first gate and recovered, not only because Gai smiled

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Gah, I doubt he was recovered at all. He said something along the lines of `Gai sensei is smiling for me. That alone can make me stronger. Far stronger`. or something. My thoughts was that it was more to do with willpower, but perhaps I could be wrong.

**aeturnum** · Mon, 01-12-2004, 11:35 AM

hell I thought Lee was a pretty cool fighter, shame about him getting mangled though...

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