Gaara vs Sasuke? who do you think would

[Chi Chi]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (VagabondLBD @ Jan 18 2004, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> hm I think gaara would have completed his transformation even if Sasuke kept attacking him. Remember he wasn&#39;t fully transformed when he first fought Naruto, but then later he transformed during the fight.

Also whats this crap about Naruto being weaker than Sasuke. Sasuke may be a better ninja but Naruto is way stronger. Naruto beat gaara in his transformed state whereas Sasuke got his ass beat by gaara even when he wasn&#39;t fully transformed. I think people are just hating on Naruto for no reason. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
He used the Kyubi chakra.

[Vagabond]

um your point is......
The kyuubi chakra is part of Naruto. Just like how the badger is part of Gaara and how the Sharingan is part of Sasuke.
People have to get over that and realize that life isn&#39;t fair.

[Insomniac]

the point is that Naruto isnt stronger then Sasuke, the kyuubi is

Sasuke by himself has more talent and is stronger then Naruto even without his sharigan eyes, Naruto without the kyuubi is nothing

[kaigan]

i don&#39;t think the anime is called SASGAY

sasgay sharingan can&#39;t see the real naruto when naruto uses kagebunshin because all of them ARE REAL AND CAN HURT YOU.

[Vagabond]

Well i&#39;m not gonna argue and maybe you are right, but as I recall Naruto was doing pretty good against gaara without the kyuubi&#39;s chakra.
Who knows....

[Nautek]

If I had to choose between Sasuke and Naruto in strenght point I would&#39;ve choose Naruto.

If it is Kyuubi that is stronger then Sasuke not Naruto, then you might can say that it is the Sharingan that is stronger then Naruto ? Hm let&#39;s just wait and see, I don&#39;t care that much though, just like Naruto&#39;s personality a bit more then Sasuke&#39;s.

[Jman]

Gaara would own Sasgay whether the match continued or not.

[RoMuLuu]

I think Gaara would have won the match. But I think he wasn&#39;t able to transform into the Shuukaku anymore, because he was wounded and if he tried to do it again, Sasuke would have used his Chidori again. Or maybe he had the powers? Who knows.

[Demon Brother]

well as most manga readers know, sasuke can only use his chidori twice.. but i dont think garaa were &quot;concentrated&quot; enough to try to get to shukuku (or whatever) form because of him bleeding, so i think it woulda been close but sasuke would&#39;ve won at the end... and yeah, i cant wait to see the Naruto/gamabunta vs fully evolved shakuku (or whatever)

[Hotsuma]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pervert-Sennin Jiraiya @ Jan 19 2004, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hayate &#064; Jan 8 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> from where it looked to me, Gaara would&#39;ve lost if the fight had continued from where it was when it was interupted.

Gaara was paralized after being stopped mind transformation by Chidori, giving Sasuke enough time to throw another Chidori to finish the match. the sand would&#39;ve tried to protect Gaara but it was already proven useless against Chidori... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
sasuke got really scared when he saw shukakus eye, he couldnt move theres no chance he could do another chidori in that state. gaara would have won that match. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
So? Naruto pissed his pants, when Gaara was talking shit to Naruto about how his life was nothing but killing. Great scene.

Gaara : I have beast inside of me.
Naruto : I have a BIGGER beast inside of me.
Gaara : Dumbass. I was BORN a monster.
Naruto : I..can&#39;t beat him.. *wets himself*


Anyways. No. Sasuke is stronger than Naruto, without the kyuubi. He&#39;s got far more talent, and ability than Naruto can ever dream of. This is comparing a genius, to a regular Joe. If Sasuke put in half the effort that Naruto does, Naruto would practically cease to exist.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>sasgay sharingan can&#39;t see the real naruto when naruto uses kagebunshin because all of them ARE REAL AND CAN HURT YOU. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

No, fool. Sasuke CAN see the real Naruto, when he uses Kagebunshin with the Sharingan. That&#39;s an ability TO the Sharingan. You can see through tricks like that. They&#39;re called bunshins, for a reason. They&#39;re not real. All of them are one hit wonders.

Rasengan this..rasengan that. Such a lameass argument. It takes Naruto how long to do that? Furthermore, can he whip it out in the knick of time, against faster moving opponents? I doubt that.

And, Hakeem_21 : It took the 4th years to CREATE the Rasengan. Not learn it. Create and learning it, are two totally different things. Add to the fact, Naruto had Jiraiya helping him out by teaching him the properties of the technique.

Finally, I don&#39;t understand how anybody can compare Kyuubi - a third party power, to Sharingan, which actually takes _away_ power. Those two are also two different things. Not comparable. Sharingan is an ability Sasuke has, that&#39;s his. Kyuubi is like an extra battery of chakra. A creature that has a will of it&#39;s own. How is that Naruto&#39;s &quot;special&quot; power? People are such idiots for even beginning to compare the two things.

[Insomniac]

Naruto had to tap into the Kyuubi THREE times to TIE with Gaara.
If he hadnt of been using the Kyuubi he would have been destroyed, you cant really compare Naruto, Gaara and Sasuke.
Sasuke DOESNT have a demon, the others do.
As for pure talent without their use of demons Sasuke is the better nin

I believe that if Shukaku was released during the tournie the 3rd would have stepped in as Shukaku is &#39;evil&#39; and obviously the 3rd would try to keep the peace. Its just like if Naruto released the Kyuubi completely - do you think they&#39;d let the match go on?
Same thing goes for if Sasuke activates his cursed seal during the tournie, they&#39;d stop the fight.

the Sharigan is no where near the same as having a demon to rely on, the sharigan CONSUMES chakra while demons give practically endless chakra.

[villin]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 19 2004, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Anyways. No. Sasuke is stronger than Naruto, without the kyuubi. He&#39;s got far more talent, and ability than Naruto can ever dream of. This is comparing a genius, to a regular Joe. If Sasuke put in half the effort that Naruto does, Naruto would practically cease to exist. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Where did you get that idea from? It is stated on numerous occasions that in terms of raw power Naruto far exceeds all the other genin. True Sasgay is a more talented and gifted nin but the reason that so many people dislike him is because of his lack of effort. Sasgay has a very poor attitude and on top of that he doesn&#39;t seem to think that actual hard work is worthy of him. Simply relying on his sharingan to gain new techniques and not actually having to earn them is a very cheap way of doing things. Take for example his copying of Lee&#39;s taijutsu techniques, he runs around doing the exact same moves as Lee and he does nothing but gloat about how great he is.

Consider the fact that when Naruto and Sasgay had their little scrap on the roof of the hospital that Naruto didn&#39;t use the Kyubi chakra or his summoning. In that fight Naruto was clearly the more powerful of the two and he was holding back two of his best moves where Sasgay went all out.

So as you can see Naruto is far more powerful than Sasgay however Sasgay is the more gifted ninja in terms of ability(even if he didn&#39;t have to earn anything).

[rleland]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 19 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Rasengan this..rasengan that. Such a lameass argument. It takes Naruto how long to do that? Furthermore, can he whip it out in the knick of time, against faster moving opponents? I doubt that.
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about as fast as it took sasgay to do chidori


it&#39;s allright i can sort of understand your pain in liking a character which isn&#39;t the main character and is doomed to live in his shadow most of the time

they should make a spinoff about sasuke to satisfy all the sasukelovers too

[villin]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (rleland @ Jan 19 2004, 04:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> they should make a spinoff about sasuke to satisfy all the sasukelovers too </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
That would be about as popular as a shit eating contest.

[kaigan]

sasgay is a whiny little cunt. that&#39;s is why i hate him. i really want him to see naruto summons gamabunta and shit in on his own pants, crawl into a corner and cry like the whiny little bitch that he is.

and you are wrong about kage bunshin, sharingan can&#39;t see the real one, it&#39;s just that the chakra is divided equally among them.


YOU FOOL. GO BACK AND WATCH THE ANIME&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[PSJ]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hotsuma @ Jan 19 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pervert&#045;Sennin Jiraiya &#064; Jan 19 2004, 01:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Hayate &#064; Jan 8 2004, 04:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> from where it looked to me, Gaara would&#39;ve lost if the fight had continued from where it was when it was interupted.

Gaara was paralized after being stopped mind transformation by Chidori, giving Sasuke enough time to throw another Chidori to finish the match. the sand would&#39;ve tried to protect Gaara but it was already proven useless against Chidori... </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
sasuke got really scared when he saw shukakus eye, he couldnt move theres no chance he could do another chidori in that state. gaara would have won that match. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
So? Naruto pissed his pants, when Gaara was talking shit to Naruto about how his life was nothing but killing. Great scene.

Gaara : I have beast inside of me.
Naruto : I have a BIGGER beast inside of me.
Gaara : Dumbass. I was BORN a monster.
Naruto : I..can&#39;t beat him.. *wets himself*


Anyways. No. Sasuke is stronger than Naruto, without the kyuubi. He&#39;s got far more talent, and ability than Naruto can ever dream of. This is comparing a genius, to a regular Joe. If Sasuke put in half the effort that Naruto does, Naruto would practically cease to exist.

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>sasgay sharingan can&#39;t see the real naruto when naruto uses kagebunshin because all of them ARE REAL AND CAN HURT YOU. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

No, fool. Sasuke CAN see the real Naruto, when he uses Kagebunshin with the Sharingan. That&#39;s an ability TO the Sharingan. You can see through tricks like that. They&#39;re called bunshins, for a reason. They&#39;re not real. All of them are one hit wonders.

Rasengan this..rasengan that. Such a lameass argument. It takes Naruto how long to do that? Furthermore, can he whip it out in the knick of time, against faster moving opponents? I doubt that.

And, Hakeem_21 : It took the 4th years to CREATE the Rasengan. Not learn it. Create and learning it, are two totally different things. Add to the fact, Naruto had Jiraiya helping him out by teaching him the properties of the technique.

Finally, I don&#39;t understand how anybody can compare Kyuubi - a third party power, to Sharingan, which actually takes _away_ power. Those two are also two different things. Not comparable. Sharingan is an ability Sasuke has, that&#39;s his. Kyuubi is like an extra battery of chakra. A creature that has a will of it&#39;s own. How is that Naruto&#39;s &quot;special&quot; power? People are such idiots for even beginning to compare the two things. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
umm hotsuma first of all saying that sasuke is stronger if naruto woulndt have kyubi inside of him is just an excuse to try to make sasuke stronger than he really is. if sasuke didnt have sharingan and naruto didnt have kyubi they wouldnt be that far apart seeing as naruto evolvs much faster than sasuke does even when sasuke got the sharingan. naruto fought sasuke equally on the roof without kyubi. and naruto learned kage bunshin on 1 night, kage bunshin is a high level jounin jutsu to say that naruto got no talent is just stupid. and the thing with kage bunshin actually sharingan cant see which one is the real one. the weakness of kage bunshin is that the chakra is divided equally among all the clones.


and what the hell do you mean with the &quot;so&quot; shit you wrote first. that doesnt have anything to do with what i said..

oh and actually 4th didnt create rasengan FOOL. its Jiraiyas jutsu it took 4th 3 years to learn it from Jiraiya.

it takes naruto time to do the rasengan but if you use that as an agruement to say that chidori is more powerful is wrong, chidori also takes time to do and you cant reduce the time it takes to do the chidori, but you can with rasengan you just need to train until you master it.

thats all.

[Death BOO Z]

damn, so many thing to reply to,,,

A. Naruto shitted his pants cuz he knew Gaara wasn&#39;t lying, he was so sure that the demon he has is one of a kind, but then gaara breaks his reality by having a demon as well, and having him surfce once a while.

B. Yep, Sasuke suprior to naruto up to this point, just think about it like this, when they were at the wave country, Sasuke and Naruto did tree climbing, even though naruto stayed their all night, Sasuke easily surpassed him.

C. Sharingan sees bunshins, think back to the battle with the rain nins in the forest, Sasuke was able to tell they were all illusions, i&#39;m not sure if it works with kage bunshins as well, but i think so. the byakougan is the one that sees how the chackra is distrubted.

D. The 4th created the Rasengan in 3 years, and just because Naruto learned it in a few weeks doesn&#39;t make him anymore of a genious than the 4th. think about this, Pitagoras created tha A*A+B*B=C*C equasion of his in years and it took me one math lesson to learn it, does it make me anymore of a genious?

E. The kyubi doesn&#39;t really have a will of it&#39;s own, other than seeing him talking once with naruto, he didn&#39;t show any signs of self awarness.

F. it&#39;s possible to do multypie rasengans each day, we&#39;ve seen naruto doing 2 of them already in the &#39;retrive sasuke&#39; arc, and he didn&#39;t even start fighting, even Kakashi can do only 3 (or 4, not sure) chidories a day.

G. a Sasuke spin off? why? the manga (and the anime, even more) already look like they worship Sasuke, so unless the spin off is gonna take Sasuke away from the original story, i&#39;m against it...

[PSJ]

BOO 4th was not the guy that created rasengan it was Jiraiya it took 4th 3 years to learn it not to create it.

[Hotsuma]

Wow. Look at all of the Naruto fanboys swarm me. I don&#39;t even know where to start..

Jiraiya,you&#39;re about the biggest Pro Naruto, Anti Sasuke here, so let&#39;s start here.

Naruto doesn&#39;t have any talent. This has been established FOREVER in the manga. He&#39;s a hard working type. That&#39;s his character. He&#39;s not a genius. He&#39;s damn creative, but he&#39;s not exactly like Sasuke, when the word genius is used. You can&#39;t compare the two here. If you begin to say that he actually has talent, like Sasuke/Neji does, you&#39;re just lying to yourself, and is being a bitch to bias.

And, yes. The Fourth DID create the Rasengan, you tool. You want me to upload the scan so I can show you?

Sasuke&#39;s master of the Chidori is a few steps higher than Naruto&#39;s mastery of the Rasnengan. True, the Rasengan is way more powerful than Chidori as far as raw power is concerned, but you need to look at it this way. The technique is only as good as the user&#39;s mastery of it. And in this case, Sasuke is able to perform it WAY better than Naruto can, his Rasengan. Case is when he&#39;s fighting Naruto on the tower. After burning down the bunshins, in mid air, he sees Naruto forming a Rasengan, and IMMEDIATELY forms the Chidori. This in mid air, right after doing a fire jutsu. He almost did it, as a reaction.

Kaigan :

Yeah, I agree with you. Sasuke does whine too damn much. Instead of actually working hard at it, he just gets pissy, when people are stronger than him. Whereas, Naruto uses stronger opponents as a goal to become stronger himself. That&#39;s damn respectable.

Yes, Sharingan can see the real body. That&#39;s it&#39;s ability - to see through the various jutsus. It&#39;s cheap, but that&#39;s what the Sharingan can do. Bunshins appear as pillars of flames, with there being one real body.

Rleland :

You have no argument, whereas, everybody else has something that&#39;s actually worth refuting. Crawl up in a hole and die, or go back to sucking on Naruto&#39;s drawn cock, you faggot.


Villin :

If I were Naruto, and I was accused of relying on Kyuubi&#39;s chakra by Kabuto, I wouldn&#39;t exactly be flaunting that kind of power. Naruto wants to become equals with Sasuke, on his own terms. Not using another power. As for summoning Gama Bunta.. That&#39;s also unlikely. Naruto and Gama Bunta, in case you haven&#39;t noticed, fight like cats and dogs, with Gama usually complaining and being the lazy bastard he is. Even when he was summoned to save Naruto&#39;s life from the cliff, and fight against the Sand beast, he was reluctant. If he&#39;s that lazy, there&#39;s really no way he&#39;s going to deign any further, to kill some kid (Sasuke).

[Nautek]

Please Hotsuma don&#39;t call me an idiot just because I compared Narutos Kyuubi with Sasukes Sharingan, that is just my opinion about it. Can&#39;t we just discuss like civilized peoples that we are.

As for the issue with the Sharingan can or can not see the real body when someone is using kage bunshin. I think Kaigan is right. But I know that it can see through Bunshins, but I do not think it can see through kage bunshin. Remember the fight with Neji in the chuunin exam, it was stated that even not the Byakugan could see the real one, so I don&#39;t think the Sharingan can either.

edit: Read chapter 100 if you do not beleive me in the Sharingan case.