because gamabunta probably wouldnt fit and naruto would need to summon a smaller frog instead
because gamabunta probably wouldnt fit and naruto would need to summon a smaller frog instead
Hey if a fairly small frog could beat Ebisu a Jounin then I don't see the need to summon Gama Bunta to beat Gaara if he doesn't pull out his demon.
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I agree on that...
But would they actually show Naruto fight Gaara and not have Gaara pull out his monster, or whatever? No. That would be stupid.
I do, however, agree that he would summon a smaller frog because Gamabunta might not fit. But I still somehow expect him to summon Gamabunta.
I think summoning gamabunta would be a too much chakra waste.
I believe gamabunta respects naruto, but not to the point were naruto summons him whenever he wants... it would be his trumph card when naruto doesn't have any choice, when he's in life threatening danger and has no other choice, after all i think that when gamabunta would be summoned just because naruto wants to win some stupid (well maybe not stupid, but after all not so important) tournament, gamabunta would be reaaaally pissed off at naruto and he could lose gamabunta's respect.
after all i believe that at this point summoning a frog of jirayias frog size would be more than enough, and would save a LOT of chakra.
btw. sorry for bad english:P
If Gaara's "monster" comes out, Naruto's life will most certainly be in danger. But I see your point.
It will be interesting to see what size frog he summons when the time comes...I'm almost tempted to go into the Open Discussion and ask, but I'll wait
But he has to summon gamabunta. I really hope he uses it to save the town against a spastic gaara in his stupid shadow (haven't actually seen it) form. If he summons gamabunta then somehow the fight made its way out of the stadium. If he doesn't summon gamabunta I'd be damned sure it wouldn't be enough to break the sand barrier. Also, Jaraiya probably trained that frog for a very long time and he summons that frog the majority of the time, and that's why it beat closet-pervert. So he needs a frog that can destroy the sand barrier.
Also, to say that summoning gamabunta took almost all of kyubi's chakra, you are saying that the fourth hokage had chakra enough to summon gamabunta and enough to fight the fox and enough to perform the naruto seal? Jesus, the hokage had a lot of chakra. I honestly believe that kyubi could summon the frog and still have insane amounts of chakra left. You are asuming that kyubi gave naruto all his chakra in the pit. He probably only gave him enough so that Naruto's child body wouldn't explode. Also, Naruto was given more chakra in episode 62 when he even claimed "I feel stronger than when I trained" (i.e. I have more chakra).
The only way gamabunta is getting summoned is if he does it outside the colliseum. No question. And if he goes up against gaara and he's about to die, hopefully he goes nine-tails like he did with haku. But I'm thinking the writer is trying to prove that naruto is more resourceful than back then, and he doesn't need kyubi as a crutch.
Even if Naruto's life is in danger I wouldn't think he would summon Gama Bunta, he would just use the Kyuubi chakra for himself and fight the other guy. Maybe if he had another run in with Orochimaru and his snake would he summon Gama Bunta.
Come to think of it does the King of Snakes also talk like GB?
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The only way gamabunta is getting summoned is if he does it outside the colliseum. No question. And if he goes up against gaara and he's about to die, hopefully he goes nine-tails like he did with haku. But I'm thinking the writer is trying to prove that naruto is more resourceful than back then, and he doesn't need kyubi as a crutch. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Yeah, i agree 100%. Naruto is starting to develop his skills more, and Kyubi will only be a trump.....dire situations, like against uber-powerful neji.
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I think it will fit. Cuz think about how many people are in the stadium and think about how many Naruto kagebunshins it takes to stand on froggy's back.
Just to clear a few issues:
The contract is not with Gama Bunta but "The Frogs". So Naruto can decide which frog to summon.
He just ended up summoning Bunta because he has too bad chakra control.
Jiraiya may have done a lot, but he has deinetly not trained Gamabunta.
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hmmm...gamabunta is really big, so i think a smaller frog would still be able to break his sand sheild
I guess I'm riding on the assumption that hokaku or whatever the name of the cleric that's in gaara is not a sissy. I'm assuming he's able to create one tough barrier and the only way to break the barrier is by a massive force that cannot be provided by anybody except for something only a couple sizes smaller than gamabunta. But honestly, if I was Naruto, I'd go the extra mile and bring out a guy I've already made a deal with and not some other damned frog that I have to befriend yet again. Besides, Naruto could force the fox to give him all the chakra by taking the chakra kyubi gives, using it all to summon gamabunta, putting himself in a position to die, then getting more chakra to do more stuff with...bah..it's too easy to manipulate kyubi. I'm waiting to see if kyubi starts cutting some deals with Naruto instead of bending over forwards constantly and giving him the chakra for nothing in return.
And if you guys think for one second kyubi should have to pay in chakra to stay in a body-and a really really cramp, damp jail cell-you've got another thought coming. Kyubi should tell Naruto he can just go die, at least then the fox would have some leverage. Bah. I'm done with this.
Well Kyubi only gave him a little bit of his chakra just because he thought Naruto was brave for being the only one to stand up against him. To Kyubi, the ammount of chakra he gave to Naruto was next to nothing considering how much chakra he really has. Also this keeps Naruto alive and thus also keeps Kyubi alive so apparently it still cares about its life.
If you say that if it took 1/10's of kyubi's power to summon Gamabunta then kyubi wouldn't be known as the ultimate destructive force then what exactly are you implying? Are you saying that it should take less or take more? It would be silly if it took more than 1/10's (that's a huge chunk, by the way). And it seems the reason they sealed it up was because it couldn't be killed or else they would've done it. So he's got to have waaaaaaaay more chakra than 1/10 of a gamabunta summon, it's just that he's giving Naruto the very maximum his body can handle at the time. I know I know you're going to start bringing in the "He had more chakra when he fought Haku" and you're right, he did. But that was fueled by anger, not immenent death or possible victory. Need to take that into account.
Edit: Isn't it a bit strange that we argue the physics and reasonings behind some artists minds and a cartoon? I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it, but doesn't it just seem a little.....pompous?
you know wut wud be kewl if he was able to summon a frog with 2 kitanas as it weapons yea thats right a ninja frog it can be done
Has anyone else besides me considered the fact that Kyubi might not be so evil as everyone says. I mean, he works on logic and not on pure evil. And why would a badass destructive force be impressed by a kid which is to cocky for his own good telling him of?
I think that incident when Kyubi went crazy that day has some great reason for Kyubi as well. And i do think that Kyubi can be a nice little fox, all depending a lot on Naruto's future actions.
And as someone said already, Gamabunta doesn't take 1/10 of Kyubi's chakra. If he did, then there would be no reason to call him "the ultimate destructive" force.
that the fox is nice? the story is based on it being evil and we have seen when naruto faces him that he isnt exactly nice
I really wonder about Kyuubi too - I hope at some point we get some better info on what exactly Kyubi was doing loose in the world and why it attacked the hidden villages...
</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Frixgog @ Dec 15 2003, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> If you say that if it took 1/10's of kyubi's power to summon Gamabunta then kyubi wouldn't be known as the ultimate destructive force then what exactly are you implying? Are you saying that it should take less or take more? It would be silly if it took more than 1/10's (that's a huge chunk, by the way). And it seems the reason they sealed it up was because it couldn't be killed or else they would've done it. So he's got to have waaaaaaaay more chakra than 1/10 of a gamabunta summon, it's just that he's giving Naruto the very maximum his body can handle at the time. I know I know you're going to start bringing in the "He had more chakra when he fought Haku" and you're right, he did. But that was fueled by anger, not immenent death or possible victory. Need to take that into account.
Edit: Isn't it a bit strange that we argue the physics and reasonings behind some artists minds and a cartoon? I'm not saying that we shouldn't do it, but doesn't it just seem a little.....pompous? </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Of course i meant it would take less than 1/10 of Kyubi's chakra... And maybe it is a lot of bull in the story, but i do study Qi Gong, and there are a lot of stuff that do add up to what they say in Naruto.
For example, the chakra flow in our body is something going on, sure not something we can really explain, but touching certain places and putting presure on them do make us feel either worse or better. We all know about acupuncture, and it uses these presure points to release tention in our body. And controlling our chakra may not make it so we can walk on walls or stuff like that, but it enables us to feel better and have a better balance in our body; thus "chakra control". There are some things in Naruto that makes sence and has some facts in it.
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