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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    - the hero hasn't done anything of effort so far. He's op and anyone of us could do the same things in his situation. I find that disappointing, like, do people no longer want to see heroes that have to give it their all to succeed? BERSERK's Guts would cry if he saw what's popular nowadays.
    Berserk wasn't an isekai manga. It was a genuine, tradional sword & sorcery fantasy one. The isekai genre is basically escapism literature. It makes sense it presents a very pleasant but interesting world of easy rewards with little effort. After all, it's written for the Japanese who must already attend a prep school to clear the entrance exam to a reputable kindergarten. It only gets worse after that. When they are finished with the education system, they enter the workforce forcing them to do 14 hours days and attend obligatory drinking parties, where the main point is to lick their seniors boots. If a Japanese dude gets married and gets a family, he will hardly ever get a chance to spend time with the children, and the wife is in total control of all family finances. And pretty much everything else at home. With life like that, they certainly dream of getting hit by Truck-kun and getting isekaied into a paradise that's exactly as challenging as they ever would want it to be and not a millimeter more.

    Edgelord revenge stories are a different thing. They are written for bullied people, which Japan is full of. The point is to share the experience of common suffering, so the MC may undergo brutal torture and worse, and then finally kill all the villains.

    Of course there are a few expections also in isekai. This series ain't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Berserk wasn't an isekai manga. It was a genuine, tradional sword & sorcery fantasy one. The isekai genre is basically escapism literature. It makes sense it presents a very pleasant but interesting world of easy rewards with little effort. After all, it's written for the Japanese who must already attend a prep school to clear the entrance exam to a reputable kindergarten. It only gets worse after that. When they are finished with the education system, they enter the workforce forcing them to do 14 hours days and attend obligatory drinking parties, where the main point is to lick their seniors boots. If a Japanese dude gets married and gets a family, he will hardly ever get a chance to spend time with the children, and the wife is in total control of all family finances. And pretty much everything else at home. With life like that, they certainly dream of getting hit by Truck-kun and getting isekaied into a paradise that's exactly as challenging as they ever would want it to be and not a millimeter more.

    Edgelord revenge stories are a different thing. They are written for bullied people, which Japan is full of. The point is to share the experience of common suffering, so the MC may undergo brutal torture and worse, and then finally kill all the villains.

    Of course there are a few expections also in isekai. This series ain't one of them.
    Honest question:

    When you explain what isekai is to me, do you feel aroused or something? Lol, I'm sorry, but you know that I've watched countless isekai anime myself, so explaining in longwinded detail what isekai is to me kind of comes of as ... I dunno. Clearly I'm criticizing the anime knowing what isekai is.

    And that's not an excuse. Isekai only means one thing: some goes from one world to another. That's it. Anything else is at most a "rule by quantity", but just because so many isekai anime do the same shit doesn't mean it's necessary part of the genre. So in this case, I have NO idea why you're excusing that the hero has to undergo no effort to accomplish things. It's bad writing, it'd be bad in any genre. It's why Solo Leveling is bad, except even Solo Leveling showed us some struggling for its hero. The New Gate just has the hero do basic stuff that any player of the game would have been able to do, but presents it as some awesome deed. I find that terrible, it doesn't make me feel excited.

    "She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Honest question:

    When you explain what isekai is to me, do you feel aroused or something? Lol, I'm sorry, but you know that I've watched countless isekai anime myself, so explaining in longwinded detail what isekai is to me kind of comes of as ... I dunno. Clearly I'm criticizing the anime knowing what isekai is.

    And that's not an excuse. Isekai only means one thing: some goes from one world to another. That's it. Anything else is at most a "rule by quantity", but just because so many isekai anime do the same shit doesn't mean it's necessary part of the genre. So in this case, I have NO idea why you're excusing that the hero has to undergo no effort to accomplish things. It's bad writing, it'd be bad in any genre. It's why Solo Leveling is bad, except even Solo Leveling showed us some struggling for its hero. The New Gate just has the hero do basic stuff that any player of the game would have been able to do, but presents it as some awesome deed. I find that terrible, it doesn't make me feel excited.
    If you ask a question, why are you baffled when it's answered? You also seem to be confused about the exact same thing the woke masses can never understand: entertainment industry is a business. The isekai authors aren't writing this shit to win the Nobel literature prize. They are writing this with the only goal being to get readers, aside from their personal satisfaction (which is only relevant to themselves). So what if it's bad writing? It a massive business these days in Japan. Just look at how many isekai novels get anime adaptations. I imagine for many an isekai author J. K. Rowling is a kind of goddess. She managed to write a mega popular work, adapted into AAA movies, with mathematically calculated attraction for the target audience, making herself an ultra famous millionaire in the process.

    If the vast majority of isekai is pure escapism literature, then it's quite valid to classify it as such. I have long ago lost count of how many isekai manga I've read (and dropped), and 95% of them is this same instantly or nearly instantly OP MC shit. The greatest challenge the MC will ever face is how to deal with all the harem members. The percentage would be 99% if I didn't also read some villainess isekai, where the FMC can be pitifully weak on purpose, but it doesn't really matter because typically the FMC is adored by every other character before long.

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