The final episode of this show literally had Frieren go "I should go to the church to heal my shoulder. I hope it's still open."
The final episode of this show literally had Frieren go "I should go to the church to heal my shoulder. I hope it's still open."
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
It is also typical for fantasy and RPG and video game worlds to have separated classes for magic and healing.
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*shrug* Dunno. Annoyingly, they didn't show the spell selection process for anyone.Originally Posted by shinta|hikari
I'm curious if Denken was like, "Do you know a spell that'll resurrect my wife?"
So why is curing disease Holy magic, but cleaning clothes isn't? They're both purifying magic.
Seems inconsistent to me.
Seems convenient to me. For the writer.
Just as convenient as not showing us the spell selection process. It would have made for an interesting scene showing us how the characters ask for spells, how Series tells them what she has what is impossible. You know, EXPLAINING a little bit.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
One is organic healing, the other is matter distillation.
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Diseases are still made of matter. You're still distilling foreign substances from a medium.
IT'S MAGIC
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"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
What kind of memes have you been reading? The world never forgot how to make concrete. Go out and have a look around. Our world is depressingly full of it. Is it not good? If it wasn't good enough, the world wouldn't be full of it. Your analogue would only work if there had been no concrete in use between whenever you reckon the humanity forgot it and a few years ago.
Nature itself works on the basis of "good enough", the world humans built is largely the same. A spell like that wouldn't have been forgotten, even if it had become a little bit worse if it was that way more accessible. Fern needing to ask for it from Serie was for the sake of comedy. Now, of course if it's later revealed that Serie actually, with her few underlings, were going around in the distant past, before Frieren's time, and murdered all humans who knew magic, like some Spanish inquisition, then maybe it might work lore wise. With her infinite time and magic sensing ability spanning a hundred kilometers or more, she could have done it. She could have erased magic completely enough for her own purposes, to monopolise it and make herself a sort of goddess of magic. I could see it in her narcissist personality.
The meme comes also from the fact that Fern is fast, precise and strong enough that she only needs basic spells to beat almost anyone.
So when given a choice, she didn't need anything for combat.
And writing this, you have to remember that Fern isn't a combat oriented mage of past generations
For the concrete related part of the discussion, my guess is that the reference was to Roman era concrete that still functions properly in some case 2000 years later. A self healing and flexible yet strong concrete that works well in a wide range of temperatures gradients and also from water/salt water to dry places.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
Yeah, he was referring to that, but concrete wasn't a lost technology. It has been used all the time. There might have been differences in the varieties of concrete, yes, we all know that, but the regular types being used have still been sufficient for their purposes. This episode gave an impression any laundry magic simply was lost. It wasn't only the type of laundry magic that also removes the most nightmarish plant extract stains, for example, but any laundry magic.
I did say "good concrete" for a reason. Roman concrete is self-healing and they're still finding new things about it because even when we thought we figured out the secret ingredient again, it turns out we had the entire method wrong until last year.
I picked concrete because it was the easy example due to the recency of the breakthrough. There's plenty of other things that have been forgotten about from even the late 18th century because something more convenient but inferior came along and now we can't fully figure it out.
Fern's new (to her) laundry spell specifically makes clothing spotless and with a fresh floral scent that she likes.
I don't understand what about this series makes everyone instantly pedantic given that the series course corrects its own lore constantly and is vague enough initially with any concept to get away with it.
If there was laundry magic readily available, Fern and especially Frieren would know about it and probably have already been using it. Fern is a particularly neat and tidy person.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sun, 03-24-2024 at 06:46 AM.
I simply provided a simple difference at a certain level that makes sense for a story to make a division for it (organic vs inorganic matter, alive vs dead/inanimate). If you reduce anything to its most basic aspects then we are all just atoms.
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Magic atoms!
She asks for a quirky spell because she's quirky, having been raised by two goofs in Heiter and Frieren.
I've said this a couple times in irc but the entire series is this way. Practically, Frieren could just take off and fly to her destination, she doesn't need to do any of this shit. Practically, Fern shouldn't ask for dorky little spells. She shouldn't even be doing this exam; there is presumably no penalty for heading north without a first-class mage, since the problem is you will just be killed by a monster, and even if there were a penalty, who could enforce it against the Frieren gang?
These are character moments.
Guys, you're literally, unironically excusing the boy selling the cow of his dead for 3 beans instead of the money their family needed. Except these aren't magical beans in this case. "But he felt like accepting the beans, it's a cute character moment!"
:/
Fern and others need some parents to punch them some sense into.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Fern and the others have already taken down multiple big name demons, which is more than Serie ever achieved in her life of thousands of years, despite the magicians' association worshipping as holy relics any chairs Serie ever sat in. You might criticise Fern and Co based on theories, but in practice they are performing beyond any expectations.
It is about supply and demand.
We already established they need a healer, but magic cannot heal since only Holy spells can, so acquiring that isn't an option.
We can infer there is no invulnerability or immortality spell because no other Class 1 mages are invulnerable or immortal (They are aging and one of them got chopped in half. Others know they can lose in battle. Maybe they are all quirky like Fern and got toothbrushing spells lol).
Frieren and Fern already have the destructive power they need. They've been destroying stuff just fine the whole show.
Frieren and Fern are women, and somehow in anime, that means they are always trying to be clean and smell good.
Frieren and Fern both hate chores. Fern only does them because otherwise Frieren would rot in one place for years.
There is no supply for healing or immortality spells. There is no demand for more destructive spells. There is high demand for auto-cleaning clothes, and somehow there was supply.
There is also the aspect of utility.
Having a very powerful spell that they may or may not use one day versus having a spell they use everyday and makes them happy and comfortable their whole trip?
They chose the latter with reason. You may not agree with them, but it wasn't an objectively incorrect one. People choose comfort and ease over longtime investment all the time IRL and fiction, after all.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Mon, 03-25-2024 at 10:32 AM.
Peace.
I'm sorry, but that's a hilarious statement to make.
That's like saying "There's no demand for more weapons for the military."
But that's all an after-the-fact argument. All of the things you listed happened, therefore you create an answer that encompasses all of them. That's not wrong, but incredibly convenient.
Let me ask this: Why are there no mages trying to create healing spells? New spells can be created, as Frieren proved when she told us about how mankind adopted new spells to fight demons.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
"There are, they just don't succeed" seems like the most likely answer.
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