Sousou no Frieren

[MFauli]

Okay, so let's talk Laundry, and why Fern's choice (despite Serie's objections) is literally the greatest choice she could possibly make.

Do you know what the greatest invention in the history of mankind is behind the discovery of antibiotics? The washing machine (great video presentation on the topic). Not a joke. It is the single-most transformative invention of human culture. It took a chore that nearly an entire day's worth of heavy labor with middling results by one member of the household (or hired-out) to a task performed simultaneously with...literally whatever else you want to do with that time. Cleaner results, less damaging to clothing and skin, fewer harsh chemicals, and a whole host of other benefits.

Fern chose to learn the most practical spell ever, one that is stunningly revolutionary for the time period and setting they're in.

Of course it is from the age of myth. When magic was in abundance, people/elves must have used spells for anything and everything. Then some manner of regression across the world occurred (probably due to the demons), and the world is slowly stepping back up thanks to the steady and inexorable innovation of mankind.

It also follows the assertion that Frieren and Flamme are right in their discussions with Serie. The era of war is winding down. Fern is someone who values magic used in practical ways rather than in destruction or a cycle of revenge.

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Sorry, but that's how your entire reasoning reads. Nobody says that cleaning isn't useful. But no matter the time perioid, there's a 1000 more conventient, more useful spells to think of on the spot. If we simply stay at the level of personal well-being: a "perfect heal"-spell that immediately heals anything. A "can eat anything, even stones and dirt, and survive on that diet"-spell. As I said, a "doesn't need to poop again"-spell. A "hair do"-spell. A "change clothings"-spell. And when we just go all out, stuff like "time stop spell", "insta kill spell", or if Fern was shinta a "change all women's clothing to sleeveless"-spell. A time travel-spell. A "love"-spell. Or just full one "mind control"-spell. And, ofc, an immortality spell.

Praising Fern's choice as "legendary" is just one of those typical weeb nerd gimmick memes that everyone does on Twitter and Youtube and wherever and thinks it's "cute" or something. Nah, it's dumb. She wasted a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity on being too lazy to wash her clothings. That's what remains. :/

[Ryllharu]

Praising Fern's choice as "legendary" is just one of those typical weeb nerd gimmick memes that everyone does on Twitter and Youtube and wherever and thinks it's "cute" or something. Nah, it's dumb. She wasted a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity on being too lazy to wash her clothings. That's what remains. :/

Wash your clothes the old way (starch-based slime, naphtha soap, hot water from the stovetop three separate times, borax, bluing, etc.) for two weeks and let me know how you feel.

I know you don't pay attention to the details of a series, but it is also consistent with Frieren and Fern gushing over the pots and pans cleaning spell at the beginning of this long-ass arc. A spell they were both very happy to acquire and one they both considered to be one of the most valued they'd found over the years.

It's not a meme, it's one of the smartest gags the author has done in the series as a whole.

[Kraco]

Asking for such a spell, instead of something more grand sounding, would have been worth it just to see Serie's reaction. Though that being said, following the theme of my earlier post, such a laundry spell should have been easily obtainable from elsewhere and thus a wasted opportunity. Considering what Ryll said as well, there's not a snowball's chance in hell the world would have lost magic that convenient and extremely helpful for nearly all the people of all races, winter, spring, summer, or autumn, in every climate and environment. How do you lose something that pretty much all families would personally use or intimately rely on? It's not even something that would become obsolete due to a better invention because it itself is the better invention.

[MFauli]

Wash your clothes the old way (starch-based slime, naphtha soap, hot water from the stovetop three separate times, borax, bluing, etc.) for two weeks and let me know how you feel.

I know you don't pay attention to the details of a series, but it is also consistent with Frieren and Fern gushing over the pots and pans cleaning spell at the beginning of this long-ass arc. A spell they were both very happy to acquire and one they both considered to be one of the most valued they'd found over the years.

It's not a meme, it's one of the smartest gags the author has done in the series as a whole.

I don't understand what's "smart" about it. Nor why an anime that tells a serious story needs to culminate in a gag. But that's probably why I don't like this anime as much as everyone else, considering the hype.

[Ryllharu]

I don't understand what's "smart" about it. Nor why an anime that tells a serious story needs to culminate in a gag. But that's probably why I don't like this anime as much as everyone else, considering the hype.

Sousou no Frieren does not have a serious story. Its most similar series is Yofukashi no Uta, and even that has more serious elements than this series.

Getting stuck in Mimics should have tipped you off. Along with sleepy Frieren being mom'd by Fern.

Asking for such a spell, instead of something more grand sounding, would have been worth it just to see Serie's reaction. Though that being said, following the theme of my earlier post, such a laundry spell should have been easily obtainable from elsewhere and thus a wasted opportunity. Considering what Ryll said as well, there's not a snowball's chance in hell the world would have lost magic that convenient and extremely helpful for nearly all the people of all races, winter, spring, summer, or autumn, in every climate and environment. How do you lose something that pretty much all families would personally use or intimately rely on? It's not even something that would become obsolete due to a better invention because it itself is the better invention.

Real-world humanity literally forgot how to make good concrete and couldn't figure it out again until a few years ago. It's very probable for this world to have forgotten Mythic Era spells. We know Serie was alive then, and maybe Kraft. That's two people in a very big continent. There's also not THAT many mages.

[MFauli]

Sousou no Frieren does not have a serious story. Its most similar series is Yofukashi no Uta, and even that has more serious elements than this series.

Getting stuck in Mimics should have tipped you off. Along with sleepy Frieren being mom'd by Fern.

So BERSERK is not a serious story, either, because Puck and Isidoro?

[Ryllharu]

Considering Mimics appear in literally the first episode and Fern mom-ing Frieren is in the second episode and the theme of the fourth episode?

Yes.

Not sure why you're trying to use Berserk as any counterevidence. Feels like a logical fallacy.

[Y]

The clothes washing spell being actually practical would defeat the point of the scene, which is that frieren's tutelage has imparted on Fern the same love for goofy little pointless minutiae that she has.

It would be like saying Flamme and Frieren's flowers growing spell is actually insanely practical for agriculture.

[MFauli]

Considering Mimics appear in literally the first episode and Fern mom-ing Frieren is in the second episode and the theme of the fourth episode?

Yes.

Not sure why you're trying to use Berserk as any counterevidence. Feels like a logical fallacy.

Guess in which chapter of BERSERK Puck first appears ...

I keep calling you out because in the current climate of new anime, Sousou no Frieren is absolutely on of the more serious stories. A world full of death, fighting, conflict. And outside of singular scenes, there are no gags, no jokes. Boring, erm, sorry, "solemn" stories are what we got mostly. And then the fighting in the last 10 episodes or so.

You won't be able to find 5 other anime this season that are more serious than Sousou no Frieren while also being worth watching. So, yes, I'm calling it a rather serious story and for that, making the pinnacle of the season a gag fell entirely flat for me. It's good it worked for you.

[MFauli]

The clothes washing spell being actually practical would defeat the point of the scene, which is that frieren's tutelage has imparted on Fern the same love for goofy little pointless minutiae that she has.

It would be like saying Flamme and Frieren's flowers growing spell is actually insanely practical for agriculture.

That's why it's bad writing. Instead of wishing for an actually "legendary" spell, Fern picks one that fits the author's writing quirks. Quirkiness trumps quality. I don't like it. I just finished watching a rom-com with Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Aniston that ends with them still broken up, but both happy. I understand the message the writers of the movie want to tell, but I still dislike it, because I wanted them to get back together.

[shinta|hikari]

And we're back to "I don't like it = bad writing."

[MFauli]

And we're back to "I don't like it = bad writing."

?

Why would I like bad writing?



Edit: Your signature is highly distracting!

[shinta|hikari]

What I meant is, as usual (and everyone else here will likely concur), you conflate things not turning out the way you like as something objectively bad, when in reality it is just your preference.

People can like bad things. People can dislike good things.

This is the concept that eludes you.

[DarthEnderX]

Do you know what the greatest invention in the history of mankind is behind the discovery of antibiotics? The washing machine (great video presentation on the topic).

So what you're saying is...Fern should have asked for a Cure Disease spell.

Wash your clothes the old way (starch-based slime, naphtha soap, hot water from the stovetop three separate times, borax, bluing, etc.) for two weeks and let me know how you feel.

Pretty sure I'd rather manually wash clothes than...say...die. A spell for not dying still seems better.

I'm with Mfauli on this one. It's a childish choice that's supposed to be cute and funny. But it's an objectively stupid choice.

[shinta|hikari]

Is there even a spell for immortality? Because, as you mentioned, that would be the logical choice to make, but none of the first class mages are immortal.

[Ryllharu]

So what you're saying is...Fern should have asked for a Cure Disease spell.

Pretty sure I'd rather manually wash clothes than...say...die. A spell for not dying still seems better.

I'm with Mfauli on this one. It's a childish choice that's supposed to be cute and funny. But it's an objectively stupid choice.

The both(?) of you somehow completely forgot that holy magic exists and is explicitly different from mage magic?

Not surprised, but come on.

Normally I wouldn't blame you since we haven't seen a priest in over 12 episodes, but Methode pulled a holy scripture out of thin air so she could employ holy magic.

And we're back to "I don't like it = bad writing."

"It's not following the completely different plot, entire setting, and characters personalities I envisioned from the premise! = bad."

[MFauli]

So mages don't know healing spells? Serie doesn't know any?

"Come on", Ryll.

[Ryllharu]

So mages don't know healing spells? Serie doesn't know any?

"Come on", Ryll.

No, they don't. Frieren has immediately pointed it out multiple times. Holy magic comes from the Goddess of Creation, different from the source that mages use internally. There's been three entire episodes featuring this topic.

Frieren has a holy scripture in her suitcase for when she needs to use it too, and she sucks at it. That's why they needed a priest to travel along.

The span of your memory is apparently three episodes.

[MFauli]

No, they don't. Frieren has immediately pointed it out multiple times. Holy magic comes from the Goddess of Creation, different from the source that mages use internally. There's been three entire episodes featuring this topic.

Frieren has a holy scripture in her suitcase for when she needs to use it too, and she sucks at it. That's why they needed a priest to travel along.

The span of your memory is apparently three episodes.

But I'm not talking about holy magic. I said healing magic. You're telling me that Serie who knows all spells knows no healing spell? That'd be the dumbest magic system of all times, so pardon me if I didn't remember that.

[Ryllharu]

It's the same thing. Go rewatch episodes 13 & 15.

The Goddess' Magic is holy/healing.