Obviously. But, as they explained, finding a bird is mostly a matter of luck. The test was designed for some teams to get lucky, and then they would fight over the birds.Originally Posted by Kraco
Obviously. But, as they explained, finding a bird is mostly a matter of luck. The test was designed for some teams to get lucky, and then they would fight over the birds.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sun, 01-28-2024 at 02:14 PM.
A test designed to do the demons' work for the demons: make the most promising magical talents among humans to fight possibly all the way to the death with each other, leaving grudges behind. The founder/boss of the magic association, an elf with the most comprehensive knowledge of all spells ever invented... Where exactly was Serie when the demon king needed to be defeated? It was Frieren who was helping the hero.
No wonder Frieren looks down on the magic association of this era.
That's literally every exam in anime. But yes, it's dumb.
I don't think Souma killed any of his fellow aspiring chefs, only stripped them.
Peace.
They died later from exposure.
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Cool episode with flashbacks. I gather the Holy Emblem is something bestowed upon by Serie. Flamme probably brought Frieren to Serie to be recognised as "a true mage".
It makes sense that Fern is not to use complex spells during battle since speed is entirely her thing. That said, Frieren isn't exactly slow. Between this fight and the sleeping-plant fight, she's pretty bloody quick. Now whether that's mostly decision-making vs spell activation is a different matter - but the end result is that she's quick.
I laughed out loud at Frieren letting Denken soak. I kinda expected her to cast a barrier but nope, just gtfo xD.
Denken going a fistfight was a good detail. He sees magic as a tool, not his entire identity. The mindset seemed to be that most mages wanted "their spell" kind of like how the demons did. I suppose Zoltraak technically is one such spell - it's just commonly known. (Anti-demon variant aside)
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Everyone wants to be the anime "I'm the earth/water/ice/spikes/clone" mage.
The water-girl getting a default-victory just because there's rain was stupid. If it was that easy ... and then why didn't the guy win, when he can literally manipulate the earth that's everywhere?
Was also stupid how Denken and the guy literally claimed to have ZERO mana left. Come on, you never looked like you were that exhausted, there should be enough mana left to overpower that loser group at the end.
I'm liking this anime now quite some, but what overall ruins it for me is everyone's lack of emotion. It's like everyone is suffering from depression combined with Bleach-syndrome (making a cool/smug facial expression until you lose).
Bummer Fern didn't use the see-through-spell on her team mate ;>
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
They have zero mana left because every ounce of it went into the shield that broke. Attacks land either because you didn't put the shield up in time, or the attack vs your shield zaps your MP and the shield breaks when you hit zero.
Apparently Fern's attack was impressive in part because normal offensive magic is viewed as an inefficient way to break shields.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Rule of cool. In the rain, water and lightning mages never lose. They'll always lose in deserts.
There is a limited amount of earth that can be moved in an area, what you can see and what is close. Do not underestimate the tremendous volumes of water that are coming down in the rain. It is distributed.
1 square km in even a light rainstorm (higher end of "light rain" like they were getting) gets 4 million liters of rain total in an hour.
Gathering that giant ball of water in minutes is easy.
Yep.
That's why Fern and Frieren fight the way they do. "You only need basic (zoltraak) spells." The barrier is very strong, but it also is very mana hungry, and as Richter pointed out, its activation time matters a lot, so it isn't perfect, but does the job.
The "old school" way of fighting is exhausting your opponents mana to mages. In its true purpose, killing demons, it is about being extremely fast and efficient and hiding your own mana pool capacity. Demons will always have a greater mana pool than humans.
Zoltraak is very efficient because it isn't particularly flashy. Saturation of attacks swiftly overwhelms your opponent. Experienced mages use pinpoint barriers. Novices use bigger spheres.
Modern mages are coming up with innovative ways to defeat each other, but they're missing the point.
And Flamme is wrong. Frieren isn't a peacetime mage. She's the last true wartime mage (though realistically, she spans all time periods). Someone like Denken is a proper peacetime mage. Same attitude Frieren has, and his goal is very simple.
What Flamme meant was that Freiren would actually try to defeat the demon king because she is not obsessed with power and conflict the way Flamme and Serie are. Freiren actually did defeat the demon lord with the hero party, while Flamme and Serie could have with their abilities but never bothered because they actually like war, or at least the hostile conditions it entails.
The journey to defeat the demon king took 10 years, so it is no small undertaking even for Serie, particularly because it is dangerous and hard work.
As for the water vs earth thing, I just think that the water mage (with her partner) was simply better than the earth mage, and she was only always limited by not having lots of water around because she cannot generate it. When she had the water and a distraction, Girl team won.
Peace.
I learned that Serie's VA voices Killua. Now I can't unhear it.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I wonder how strong the demon king was, because so far all demons were total pushovers, even the high-up group we met.
As for the water-earth fight, I just find it silly how the earth guy kept acting superior, but none of his attacks ever connected their target. Although that is a problem with stories in general: A supposedly stronger opponent attacking, but never hitting, ultimately making the "weaker" fighter just as capable, because if you cannot land your attacks, you're not strong actually.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Was he really that strong? He was just full of bluster and also outnumbered 2 to 1. If he really were strong, he'd know they were fucked when Freiren showed up. Serie took one look at Freiren and knew she was strong as a child.
Peace.
The demons are not pushovers at all. No idea where your revisionist history makes that shit up. Frieren is astonishingly powerful. Fern is one of the strongest mages in the exam right behind Frieren because both of whom taught her magic. Our frame of reference concerns the two strongest mages to have ever lived and the apprentice to the one still living.
Aura was only defeatable by Frieren, who spent 80 years prepping to deceive Aura. Literally no one else would ever have been able to defeat her, because Aura would have run or used her zombie army to defeat anyone she couldn't command with her scales.
Qual is someone Frieren sealed away because she couldn't beat him either. He was extremely intelligent at combat magic and again, according to Frieren, would have worked out a new countermeasure in minutes if the duo hadn't one-shotted him when they released his seal. The side effect was that Frieren spent 50 years seeding humanity with the means to kill demons more effectively by stealing and refining Qual's techniques.
Draht (garrote guy) was someone who could have easily killed Fern or Stark. Frieren first showed off why she deceives demons to make them drop their guard. Frieren won because she has 500 years of experience (before her break) and never lets her guard down near demons.
The unnamed demon that Frieren defeated when Flamme found her slaughtered her entire village and was only challenged by an exceptionally strong mage in Frieren.
Putting numerous other examples aside. Demonkind has been mentioned to have a strict hierarchy and they do NOT hide their mana from each other. The Demon Lord was literally stronger than any other demon in existence, or he wouldn't have been the demon lord. Plain and simple.
Richter's magic, by necessity, is literally and figuratively telegraphed every attack, except for the one time he got serious and sent a spike from underneath their barrier, which hurt them both pretty bad.As for the water-earth fight, I just find it silly how the earth guy kept acting superior, but none of his attacks ever connected their target. Although that is a problem with stories in general: A supposedly stronger opponent attacking, but never hitting, ultimately making the "weaker" fighter just as capable, because if you cannot land your attacks, you're not strong actually.
In contrast, Lawine's ice attacks just happen from wet ground, or bursts. Very easy to catch opponents unaware if the conditions are right. She only telegraphs the ice needles. Kanne is similar when she has water. It just appears.
Fern's zoltraaks aren't telegraphed. Frieren's aren't either. That's exactly why they work the way they do. Ubel is the same way, her slices appear out of nowhere, which makes her attacks so unnerving and demon-esque.
Yeah, I don't buy that a several centuries old Frieren grew from barely defeating the demon king 80 years ago to obliterating him in just that time. What did she do all those previous centuries?
Although maybe it's just an issue with everyone's emotionless reactions that it feels like the demons are pushovers. A bit more shouting and sweating and nervous looking would help a lot making the demons appear more powerful.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
The demons we've met are pushovers so far because we're meeting them in ascending threat order so the stakes of the story go up.
Also, presumably, many of the top demons in the world died during the events of the last few centuries.
What are you basing that on? I don't remember the show describing that battle.
The only comment in the show is Eisen offhandedly saying they "went through a lot" at the castle of the demon king.
Assuming that the threat to the world was not a pushover. You're right, that's a strong assumption going by how easily Frieren defeated everyone so far.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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