Sousou no Frieren

[MFauli]

No, they don't. Frieren has immediately pointed it out multiple times. Holy magic comes from the Goddess of Creation, different from the source that mages use internally. There's been three entire episodes featuring this topic.

Frieren has a holy scripture in her suitcase for when she needs to use it too, and she sucks at it. That's why they needed a priest to travel along.

The span of your memory is apparently three episodes.

But I'm not talking about holy magic. I said healing magic. You're telling me that Serie who knows all spells knows no healing spell? That'd be the dumbest magic system of all times, so pardon me if I didn't remember that.

[Ryllharu]

It's the same thing. Go rewatch episodes 13 & 15.

The Goddess' Magic is holy/healing.

[Buffalobiian]

The final episode of this show literally had Frieren go "I should go to the church to heal my shoulder. I hope it's still open."

[shinta|hikari]

It is also typical for fantasy and RPG and video game worlds to have separated classes for magic and healing.

[MFauli]

Seems convenient to me. For the writer.

Just as convenient as not showing us the spell selection process. It would have made for an interesting scene showing us how the characters ask for spells, how Series tells them what she has what is impossible. You know, EXPLAINING a little bit.

[MFauli]

IT'S MAGIC


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[David75]

The meme comes also from the fact that Fern is fast, precise and strong enough that she only needs basic spells to beat almost anyone.
So when given a choice, she didn't need anything for combat.
And writing this, you have to remember that Fern isn't a combat oriented mage of past generations

For the concrete related part of the discussion, my guess is that the reference was to Roman era concrete that still functions properly in some case 2000 years later. A self healing and flexible yet strong concrete that works well in a wide range of temperatures gradients and also from water/salt water to dry places.

[Kraco]

For the concrete related part of the discussion, my guess is that the reference was to Roman era concrete that still functions properly in some case 2000 years later. A self healing and flexible yet strong concrete that works well in a wide range of temperatures gradients and also from water/salt water to dry places.

Yeah, he was referring to that, but concrete wasn't a lost technology. It has been used all the time. There might have been differences in the varieties of concrete, yes, we all know that, but the regular types being used have still been sufficient for their purposes. This episode gave an impression any laundry magic simply was lost. It wasn't only the type of laundry magic that also removes the most nightmarish plant extract stains, for example, but any laundry magic.

[Ryllharu]

I did say "good concrete" for a reason. Roman concrete is self-healing and they're still finding new things about it because even when we thought we figured out the secret ingredient again, it turns out we had the entire method wrong until last year.

I picked concrete because it was the easy example due to the recency of the breakthrough. There's plenty of other things that have been forgotten about from even the late 18th century because something more convenient but inferior came along and now we can't fully figure it out.

Fern's new (to her) laundry spell specifically makes clothing spotless and with a fresh floral scent that she likes.

I don't understand what about this series makes everyone instantly pedantic given that the series course corrects its own lore constantly and is vague enough initially with any concept to get away with it.

If there was laundry magic readily available, Fern and especially Frieren would know about it and probably have already been using it. Fern is a particularly neat and tidy person.

[shinta|hikari]

It is about supply and demand.

We already established they need a healer, but magic cannot heal since only Holy spells can, so acquiring that isn't an option.
We can infer there is no invulnerability or immortality spell because no other Class 1 mages are invulnerable or immortal (They are aging and one of them got chopped in half. Others know they can lose in battle. Maybe they are all quirky like Fern and got toothbrushing spells lol).
Frieren and Fern already have the destructive power they need. They've been destroying stuff just fine the whole show.
Frieren and Fern are women, and somehow in anime, that means they are always trying to be clean and smell good.
Frieren and Fern both hate chores. Fern only does them because otherwise Frieren would rot in one place for years.

There is no supply for healing or immortality spells. There is no demand for more destructive spells. There is high demand for auto-cleaning clothes, and somehow there was supply.

There is also the aspect of utility.

Having a very powerful spell that they may or may not use one day versus having a spell they use everyday and makes them happy and comfortable their whole trip?

They chose the latter with reason. You may not agree with them, but it wasn't an objectively incorrect one. People choose comfort and ease over longtime investment all the time IRL and fiction, after all.

[DarthEnderX]

There is no demand for more destructive spells.

I'm sorry, but that's a hilarious statement to make.

That's like saying "There's no demand for more weapons for the military."

[MFauli]

It is about supply and demand.

We already established they need a healer, but magic cannot heal since only Holy spells can, so acquiring that isn't an option.
We can infer there is no invulnerability or immortality spell because no other Class 1 mages are invulnerable or immortal (They are aging and one of them got chopped in half. Others know they can lose in battle. Maybe they are all quirky like Fern and got toothbrushing spells lol).
Frieren and Fern already have the destructive power they need. They've been destroying stuff just fine the whole show.
Frieren and Fern are women, and somehow in anime, that means they are always trying to be clean and smell good.
Frieren and Fern both hate chores. Fern only does them because otherwise Frieren would rot in one place for years.

There is no supply for healing or immortality spells. There is no demand for more destructive spells. There is high demand for auto-cleaning clothes, and somehow there was supply.

There is also the aspect of utility.

Having a very powerful spell that they may or may not use one day versus having a spell they use everyday and makes them happy and comfortable their whole trip?

They chose the latter with reason. You may not agree with them, but it wasn't an objectively incorrect one. People choose comfort and ease over longtime investment all the time IRL and fiction, after all.

But that's all an after-the-fact argument. All of the things you listed happened, therefore you create an answer that encompasses all of them. That's not wrong, but incredibly convenient.

Let me ask this: Why are there no mages trying to create healing spells? New spells can be created, as Frieren proved when she told us about how mankind adopted new spells to fight demons.

[Y]

Let me ask this: Why are there no mages trying to create healing spells?

"There are, they just don't succeed" seems like the most likely answer.

[shinta|hikari]

@Mfauli - Maybe there are and they all failed? (EDIT: Y beat me to it)

The point I am making is the same way we are making assumptions, you and Darth are also making assumptions. As long as it makes sense with the rules of the world and can be explained and/or inferred with information we do know, that isn't bad writing or characters being stupid. If you wish it went another direction, then that is absolutely valid.

@Darth - Many countries have stopped producing nukes because the ones they have are enough to destroy the world many times over. There is simply no need for more. If Frieren can teach Fern all the destructive spells she will ever need, a practical daily-use spell is more valuable at the moment.

[DarthEnderX]

@Darth - Many countries have stopped producing nukes because the ones they have are enough to destroy the world many times over. There is simply no need for more.

And yet, there's still a massive military industrial complex. Which is constantly developing new methods of warfare.

It's also funny to criticize fern's spell selection from a practical aspect because asking Serie for a spell as part of the graduation ceremony is presumably this heavily ritualized and formal process. You're presumably supposed to ask for a spell that embodies your ethos towards magic. It's a symbolic beseechment/blessing as part of your promotion. It's not like she's a genie and you're supposed to find the correct phrase to ask for infinite wishes.

That's a lot of assumptions to be making about a process they showed us 0% of.

[shinta|hikari]

And yet, there's still a massive military industrial complex. Which is constantly developing new methods of warfare.

That did not negate my point. There are times when people stop increasing destructive power because it is redundant or no longer cost effective.

To add, while the world is constantly creating new weapons, it is also creating many more methods of making everyday life more convenient, comfortable, and easy.

[Y]

That's a lot of assumptions to be making about a process they showed us 0% of.

Graduation ceremonies are activities fraught with symbolic meaning and ritual process because that's what a ceremony is by definition, and in this one you are becoming a peer of an ancient immortal sorceress so yes I think it's a fairly safe assumption it contains ritual and symbolism.

[DarthEnderX]

Graduation ceremonies are activities fraught with symbolic meaning and ritual process because that's what a ceremony is by definition, and in this one you are becoming a peer of an ancient immortal sorceress so yes I think it's a fairly safe assumption it contains ritual and symbolism.

And what part of ANY of the interactions they've shown with Serie so far would suggest that she'd have any interest in that kind of frivolous display?

So, did we find out what Denken wished for? I only remember "finally I can visit my wife's grave". Did he get a spell that allows him to access certain places?

We didn't find out SHIT!

They showed 3 seconds of Fern getting her spell and 0 seconds of anyone else getting theirs!

[Y]

And what part of ANY of the interactions they've shown with Serie so far would suggest that she'd have any interest in that kind of frivolous display?

The fact that she holds the ceremony at all. She could just have a courier inform them they were promoted if there wasn't supposed to be any pomp.

[MFauli]

So, did we find out what Denken wished for? I only remember "finally I can visit my wife's grave". Did he get a spell that allows him to access certain places?