Who's gonna argue with someone that they think is 100 times more powerful than them?Originally Posted by Kraco
To be fair, her argument is sound. Frieren's presence throws the power scaling of the whole test out of whack.
Most of these mages would probably die horribly if they became 1st Class now.
I expect Denken and Ubel to pass. Maybe white-haired guy and inexplicably popular lady as well.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Fri, 03-15-2024 at 10:01 PM.
Yeah apparently she is, but all I hear is Killua speaking.Btw. wtf, Serie was a woman? Didn't know that lol.
Is it hard to see why Methode is popular?inexplicably popular lady as well
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
I assume it's the boobs? Cause she's a really boring character.
She's not even dressed provocatively for booba character though.
That doesn't match my view of how humanity operates at all. Sure, there will always be plenty of people who bow down to power like sheep, but plenty of people will feel rebellious due to envy, sense of injustice, being afraid of the other side's power, sense of it threatening the balance in the world, etc. What happened in this very episode should make quite a few humans ask themselves why some ancient elf gets to decide which human becomes a first class, which doesn't. It doesn't even need to be any dislike of elves (let alone racism), but it should look quite strange. Elves live forever, humans live 100 years if extremely lucky, so how could an elf have the correct perspective for it? 99% of the guild mages ought to be humans, so it's quite unreasonable, no matter how you look at it, that the final word will always be in an elf's hands.
Well, those are not the people in charge of the Imperial Mages.
And the reasonable answer to that question is "Because experience."
Most people who've been doing something for a month, are going to show deference to someone who's been doing it for 10 years. And by that same token, it makes sense for someone that's being doing something for 10 years to show deference to someone who's been doing it for 1000 years.
Especially when that person likely, ya know, built the entire organization you're in.
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Sat, 03-16-2024 at 09:40 AM.
That then leads to the matter of longevity and that has me ask: Why are there no immortality spells? Especially in this universe where there exist spells for all sorts of banal bs. Surely a "living forever"-spell must have been tried to create at least.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
They can't pass up the promise of being taught a spell they'd never be able to learn otherwise due to their shorter lifetimes. Even though Frieren disrespects her constantly, humans treat Serie as a godess because of that.
We also learn its only be 50 years since Serie finally passed someone to first class...pretty sure that conflicts with previous lore directly, but nobody seems to care that this series can't keep its lore straight but me.
I will never defend this arc. I personally think it is shit. Completely out of tune with the rest of the series that is fundamentally better. It's loaded with bad writing, contradictory lore, plot contrivances to close plot holes, etc. I dared to criticize it and got moderated on another forum for it, haha.
I seem to remember manga readers not being particular fond of the magic exam arc either for much of the same reasons, but once it is animated all pretty it is a sacred cow.
What we can assume is that the old guy probably fights the examinees one-on-one and kills half of them, because the Magic Association are elitist assholes who think they know better about magic than anyone, and they're blindly following Serie's philosophy that magic is primarily for war.
The pendant Frieren has also shows her that Serie isn't a final authority, just the current one. Her pendant from the Church was the equivalent or greater achievement than getting First Class certified in present day.
Serie does this because she's looking for another Flamme. She just found one in Fern. She talked a lot of shit to Fern, but she still wants to satisfy her first student's dying wish. It's all the more irritating to her that her hopes in Flamme's promise are tied to Serie's philosophical opposition concerning magic. Serie she has too much pride to fail Fern arbitrarily because she would remember for the remainder of her days that she squandered someone who she actually holds interested in over a petty grudge.
Methode is one of the bigger reasons I hate this arc, especially the 2nd test. She possesses a wide array of abilities strictly for plot reasons because if she didn't, the bad writing would be full of holes in how the 2nd test is conducted.
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- No healer because this is mage exam? She has a holy book and is quite good at healing. (Frieren also has one)
- Probably the most dangerous clone is Fern after Frieren and Sense? Methode has exceptional mana sense!
- Not sure where all the clones are and worried about an ambush? Methode's mana sense goes far! (So does Denken's)
- What if we need to restrain Fern's clone? Well, Methode specializes in that as well (but didn't she specialize in shield magic an episode ago?)
The author also forgets when they previously established users who can do similar stuff but for some reason don't during this exam?
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sat, 03-16-2024 at 09:55 AM.
Yes to all of that. She was just this weird Swiss Army knife of whatever power the writer needed them to have. And instead of reinforcing the "teamwork" theme by spreading those abilities around, the writer was just like "Well, Methode can do that too."
I mean, wouldn't Frieren be a swiss army knife, too? The problem is, we'd need to know beforehand what each character is capable of. Without that, we cannot really complain about Methode.
Same way I was wondering about the earth magic-guy in the latest episode: Frieren really doesn't know a spell to put together the broken wand? But that guy does? Kinda arbitrary. You'd think a 700 year old mage would have bothered to learn repair-spells at some time.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
The difference is that Frieren is literally over a 1000 years old and her main hobby is collecting magic spells regardless of what they do. We expect her to have lots of variety because we've been shown that. She has a spell to turn grapes sour, and the first thing she does with it is visit her dwarf friend who likes sour grapes. Her favorite spell is still the one that grows a field of flowers that she learned from Flamme, and now they retcon in a meeting with Himmel where she used it and charmed him to look for her when he started his journey.
Methode can't be older than her 40s.
Richter's main job is making, selling, and repairing magic tools in the city where the Mage Association branch is. They did establish that it is his day job, similar to how Denken's is being the Empire's Court Mage.
If we get background info on Methode and why she has such a big variety of abilities, I'd change my mind.
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The series specializes in retcons to make bullshit make sense later.
That is a...good point.
Not really. It had to be done in a single day. Frieren originally told Fern to buy a new staff. I reckon that's what Frieren herself would have been doing during her centuries of life. Even if Frieren knew how to repair a staff that badly damaged, chances are it would have taken her a week to do it. She's not exactly a person who's ever in a hurry to do anything, which is one of the core jokes of the series. Richter, however, is doing it for a living, and thus he would also need to do it promptly, as many customers don't like waiting. Not to mention he simply needs to get things done promptly enough to actually make money doing it.
Onee-sans that go Ara Ara are quite popular in general.
She's wearing this half corset-hot-pants thing which is actually quite figure-hugging despite not showing any skin.
She's also the "boring support wife" who does everything you forgot/can't do.
She'd probably attract anyone who isn't going for Ubel.
You seem to forget my debate about shield mechanics.
But, I can't recall where this 50 year thing contradicts anything.
I looked back to a few episodes:
-when they left the town besieged by Aura and the Continental Magic Association associated travel restriction was brought up, Stark said that it's been around for at least half a century.
-In the library where Frieren spouted numbers (unless she's ready from a book she shouldn't have known about it since she wasn't even aware of the organisation), she says that there used to be more mages in days begone but doesn't give a timeframe.
-Richter mentions that just over half a century ago Serie came about and started things up.
The math works out. Serie created the organisation over half a century ago, but the first First Class mage passed 50 years ago.
It makes sense for Lernen to have recognised the Holy Emblem given that he was around before First Class was the biggest deal.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
ROFL.
True, though ;D
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I don't even remember how this person looks, or her name for that matter.
Ubel on the other hand:
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I have 27 other phone wallpapers I wanted to upload, but posts here limit me to 6. If the almighty mods allow me to quintuple post, I can post them all!!!
Peace.
Saved the underwear one for scientific purposes. But damn, shinta, you really need to reel in your waki fetish, lol. Those wrinkles are really important to ya, huh? ;>
If we're simping anyway: The problem with trying to get closer to Übel is that even if she accepted you for the time being, you'd never know when she suddenly changes her mind and cuts you. Probably even accidentially. Most Yandere can be dealt with, but she's got a specially dangerous kind of yandere to her.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Here is a google drive link for the whole shebang: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...usp=drive_link
Peace.
I dunno. A lot of people base her entire character on her introduction with Kraft and the knowledge that she murdered someone in the 2nd Class exam (that the context got filled it later) and the narrow translation of her name to mean "evil" (first machine translate result) without possibility of the other definitions. All the names are in katakana (as expected), so we can't know the exact intent.
Yeah...Kraft saved three people from being murdered by her, but they were bandits threatening to rob her or worse. She knew they were coming and waited for them. She did the same to the last batch that tried the same with her. As for the exam, the Mage Association brought that on themselves with their arrogance. Ubel peacefully took the judgement and followed the rules.
She spends most of the time after that trying to empathize with others, which evidently, she struggles with.
Sure, she's basically stalking Land now, but I think it is a stretch to say she kills people arbitrarily. She clearly doesn't.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sat, 03-16-2024 at 05:30 PM. Reason: reshuffled a sentence
Ubel is great. Stop talking shit about my wakifu.
Peace.
That whole development and turnaround seemed like as much of a retcon as much as Edel was. None of the girls were allowed to be unlikable. Ubel's side of things seems to have had more thought put in with the whole Sense matchup, but her interaction with Kraft and his words really suggested otherwise.
The anatomically correct ones are the best ones. As in the ones that properly draw the lines for Latisimus Dorsi and Pec Major.
For me, the moment that stirred me most was the dishevelled Frieren stare. The defiant eyes after being dominated is simply .. lovely.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
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