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    Possible, not really stating anything, just pointing out what was actually said in the show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Edit: The one big thing I still can't wrap my head around is: Why was Ai always so forgiving towards the guy that left her with two babies? Is she just that dumb of a bitch or is there another secret involved that gives it a good reason?
    Maybe I should rewatch the beginning of the show, as my memories are getting dim, but I seem to recall Ai didn't understand love, despite her name, and wanted to experience it by having kids. So, the man would have been nothing but a stud for her. A walking sperm bank. So, nothing to forgive, really. Too bad she chose a psycho. Although there's always the possibility the man actually convinced Ai of the need to learn what love is and to do it by having kids. And then he had her killed. She wasn't unhappy to give birth to Aqua and Ruby, though, so regardless of how it began, it wasn't a bad decision.

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    Now that was a good episode.

    Soon as she followed the crow I knew she'd find the body.

    I guess our killer hid it.
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    Oh wow. Totally did NOT expect that when they walked into the cave.

    What amused me so much during the entire episode: Both Aqua and Ruby keep telling Akane stuff and showing her around, and I'm like "yeah, you two, keep telling Batman all those details, he'll run it through his computer and figure everything out!"

    And really, can we talk how great of a person Akane simply is? She's not pushing herself to the front. She's immediately offering Aqua medicine. She's nice and caring. And when she walked with Ruby, she really gave off these "big sister" vibes, like she'd fight with her life to protect Ruby in case something happens. That was especially clear when she was all serious "stay back, Ruby" at the end in the cave. I don't know if she's given up already - did her and Aqua truly beak up last episode? I'm not sure. And Arima really is a "look at me!"-attention whore.

    Now, the elephant in the room: Who TF was that silver-haired loli girl?! And did Aqua not see her? Are we going full-magic in season 3?

    Also, with Ruby talking about age gap all sudden, it makes our recent discussion about the "real father" more relevant. Although I still don't know what age he was. But if more magic elements appear, then a lot of stuff is possible. I mean, heck, the murderer of Ai died ... maybe HE is the silver hairded girl reborn? lol

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    I have to admit Akane is growing on me as a character by every episode. Not that I'd have ever disliked her, but I'm the kind of reader/watcher that when I see a certain potential couple form, I will consider it the canon and it's hard for me change my opinion. Since we know the real background devil is still out there, Akane's flaw of supporting Aqua in anything and everything isn't irrelevant yet. Not that it would ever be, since even without chasing murderers, there are still lots of troubles in most people's lives. I could see Arima kicking Aqua's ass to make him get over stuff, but Akane would only keep supporting his current direction, even if it was directly down. If he got over it, fine, if he didn't, Akane would just take the fall with him, all happily. Aqua might look like a strong person, but in fact he's the weakest of them all.

    The crow part was nice. The bigger corvids are blood intelligent even in RL, so something like this could actually happen in reality! Or could have if it hadn't been 15 years. I reckon that might be a bit too much even if the crow happened to live so long. Otherwise if the doctor had been helping a crow, and the bird had got attached to him, the crow might very well try to guide people to his remains. What wasn't nice, though, was Ruby's star dying. I have no idea what's going to happen next to her, her career, and everything. Though truthfully I didn't realise she was so attached to the doctor even in her second life. I'd have rather only expected nostalgia, viewing it as something that's important but not anymore part of her active life. Naturally the exceedingly easy way out of this would be for the twins to realise who the other one is. That would fix Ruby's trauma, shock, sadness, and everything in a single second. Even if she needed to let go of her romantic feelings.

    Who knows about the little girl. Maybe she's connected to the goddess of performers that was mentioned.

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    - was that lady at the hospital supposed to be the same one as in his flashback? she didn't seem 15 years older, but why would they be dressed the same (nurses uniform?)
    - very picturesque
    - ooh, an abandoned house, probably dirt cheap or even free. maybe even featured on the news in the US. it's all circles, like a ring.
    - that legend about unrequited lovers being reborn as twins firs here.
    - is creepy kid that god of performance?
    - the three of them wearing long black coats make them seem like Akatuski parodies. or whatever those things in kingdom heart are called.
    - tsundere Akane. then silent angry.
    - I like that they showed them dancing in the background, it gave a dialog heavy scene some visual action.
    - what's the gap between ruby and the doctor? 33 years? he would have been about 50 now.
    - that's some ending
    - I don't mention enough how much I love the ED this season. really good at delivering Ruby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Naturally the exceedingly easy way out of this would be for the twins to realise who the other one is. That would fix Ruby's trauma, shock, sadness, and everything in a single second. Even if she needed to let go of her romantic feelings.
    Cursed memes of Ai being reborn have entered the chat.

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    Really not a fan of the little silver-haired girl. We have a magical premise, sure, but if you want to make the entire anime about magical stuff, don't wait two seasons until revealing that. I gotta say, if that silver-haird girl is magical, then I'm 100% convinced the "real dad" is also magical in some way. Maybe eternal youth or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Naturally the exceedingly easy way out of this would be for the twins to realise who the other one is. That would fix Ruby's trauma, shock, sadness, and everything in a single second. Even if she needed to let go of her romantic feelings.
    Why would she need to let go of her feelings? Aqua and Ruby aren't really brother and sister, they are both established persons from their past lives that they fully remember. Dunno if you have a wife, Kraco, but if your mind was transferred into your wife's brother's body, would you stop loving your wife? And that isn't a fair comparison anyway, because Aqua and Ruby BOTH are basically strangers to their new bodies, whereas your wife would, ofc, be weirded out at the prospect of doing sexy stuff with her brother's body. That wouldn't be the case for Aqua and Ruby.

    I mean, next episode WILL have another cliffhanger. Could have been this episode's revelation, but it isn't. So I think the cliffhanger will be Akane figuring out that Amamiya Gorou is the dead doctor, that Aqua also has some relation with him, and that leads to Ruby finding out that Aqua is the reborn doctor. THE END - Wait forever until Season 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Also, with Ruby talking about age gap all sudden, it makes our recent discussion about the "real father" more relevant.
    Even if he was only mid-20s before, he'd have been, like, 40 when she was hoping he'd find her.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Now, the elephant in the room: Who TF was that silver-haired loli girl?!
    Maybe one of the local gods they mentioned. Possibly the one that reincarnated them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    Naturally the exceedingly easy way out of this would be for the twins to realise who the other one is.
    That moment of realization is one of the things I'm most anticipating in this show.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    So I think the cliffhanger will be Akane figuring out that Amamiya Gorou is the dead doctor,
    Lol, why would she need to figure that out? As soon as they report the body to the authorities, he'll be identified.
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    When Akane learns the corpse is Gorou, which ought to happen due to Ruby knowing it immediately, she will be left baffled by the timeline: If Gorou disppeared 15 years ago, because he was dead and forgotten in that cave, how can he matter so much to Aqua and Ruby who were one year old at that point? How does Aqua know so much about him and why would Ruby love him so much? With Akane's considerable wits, she will also realise it was no pet dog Aqua was talking about earlier. The greatest mystery she will ever face! I doubt reincarnation with intact memories will be her first guess. Maybe she will assume the twins heard endless praise from their mother, who must have been the doctor's staunch friend. But then again, it is Akane, so she might believe anything as long as it's about Aqua.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    Why would she need to let go of her feelings?
    Sure, she doesn't need to let go of them, but she will need to let go of the hope of ever realising them in practice. Japan might be okay with cousin marriages, but siblings marrying is too much even for Japan. On the other hand, Aqua loves Ruby as a sister, but that's it. He never loved Sarina (who Ruby used to be) as a woman. She was a really important patient who also taught a lot to Gorou, but that's it. Now he's taking as good care of Ruby as a sister as he can, within reason, due to being a responsible adult inside. He's no siscon, by far, in the traditional manga/anime sense. Ruby treats him exactly like a sister would, with full signs of the psychological mechanism that makes falling in love with siblings impossible, whatever it was called. So, no, I can't see anything much happening even if she learned the truth. You can't simply overwrite the past 16 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    He's no siscon, by far, in the traditional manga/anime sense.
    Eh...I'm glad you qualified that, because he spoils and dotes on her well beyond the norm. Aqua definitely sees Sarina in Ruby and has indulged her through that filter from the start, even though he hasn't made the actual connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    Eh...I'm glad you qualified that, because he spoils and dotes on her well beyond the norm. Aqua definitely sees Sarina in Ruby and has indulged her through that filter from the start, even though he hasn't made the actual connection.
    Sure. He certainly doesn't behave like a normal guy of that age would. But it's still a far cry from manga/anime where being a siscon (or in reverse a brocon) is the actual character trait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    When Akane learns the corpse is Gorou, which ought to happen due to Ruby knowing it immediately, she will be left baffled by the timeline: If Gorou disppeared 15 years ago, because he was dead and forgotten in that cave, how can he matter so much to Aqua and Ruby who were one year old at that point? How does Aqua know so much about him and why would Ruby love him so much? With Akane's considerable wits, she will also realise it was no pet dog Aqua was talking about earlier. The greatest mystery she will ever face! I doubt reincarnation with intact memories will be her first guess. Maybe she will assume the twins heard endless praise from their mother, who must have been the doctor's staunch friend. But then again, it is Akane, so she might believe anything as long as it's about Aqua.
    There actually was a short scene that kinda prepared the viewers to accept Akane's willingness to believe in the supernatural, when she asked Aqua something and he surprisingly answers that there might by some truth to legends, which positively amused Akane.


    Sure, she doesn't need to let go of them, but she will need to let go of the hope of ever realising them in practice. Japan might be okay with cousin marriages, but siblings marrying is too much even for Japan. On the other hand, Aqua loves Ruby as a sister, but that's it. He never loved Sarina (who Ruby used to be) as a woman. She was a really important patient who also taught a lot to Gorou, but that's it. Now he's taking as good care of Ruby as a sister as he can, within reason, due to being a responsible adult inside. He's no siscon, by far, in the traditional manga/anime sense. Ruby treats him exactly like a sister would, with full signs of the psychological mechanism that makes falling in love with siblings impossible, whatever it was called. So, no, I can't see anything much happening even if she learned the truth. You can't simply overwrite the past 16 years.
    They don't need to marry to be a happy couple, ya know ;D Biggest problem would be the people around them, because no matter how good of a friend you are, accepting siblings to be romantically involved? Eh, weird ;D
    THEN AGAIN: Here comes Akane! Pretending to be Aqua's gf forever to obfuscate his relationship with Ruby. And as he learnt this episode, he couldn't have a publically known relationship with an idol anyway or her life would be at risk!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthEnderX View Post
    Even if he was only mid-20s before, he'd have been, like, 40 when she was hoping he'd find her.
    He badge said he was the Obstetrics resident. Assuming he got into med school immediately after highschool then trained as a doctor, I'd say that mid 20s would be about right.

    Akane gets points again this episode.
    During the previous episode I felt bad when they covered Aqua/Akane breaking up.
    During this episode when Kana was feeling bad, I felt a little bad for Kana - but I was just mostly amused at her reactions.

    Both twins have seemingly lost their raison d'etre now. I'm now quite curious to see how they get over this.

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    S2 finale is delayed till the weekend.

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    Season 2 Episode 13 - Finale:

    Now THAT was a great episode!

    - Akane WON, yes! Dear god, that scene could have gone so wrong and it would have in most other anime. Real glad Aqua realized how much he means to her and then stopped her from breaking up for good.

    - I love the role reversal, now Ruby is the murder-psycho-detective, lol Her creepy black star eyes, nice.

    - Akane being officially the master detective/Batman of this show is both hilarious and awesome.

    - someone PLS tell me: Was that Akane in the post-credit scene? I'm so not sure. She looks like her, but her hair looked ... gray? If they kill off Akane in season 3, then just kill me, too >_>

    - so I'm 100% sure the real father also has some magic powers. Not necessarily reincarnation, but as I mentioned before, maybe eternal youth or something. And he looks just like Aqua, lol.


    Season 3 announced btw

    Edit: The one thing I didn't like: And then suddenly half a year passes, with no progress at all apparently. I understand that as a writer you want such time progression, but it's always cheap to accept that now half a year nobody tries to further the case. Oh well. It's not something big and I can get over it. Just wished it was solved differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    - someone PLS tell me: Was that Akane in the post-credit scene? I'm so not sure. She looks like her, but her hair looked ... gray? If they kill off Akane in season 3, then just kill me, too >_>

    - so I'm 100% sure the real father also has some magic powers. Not necessarily reincarnation, but as I mentioned before, maybe eternal youth or something. And he looks just like Aqua, lol.
    The post credit scene is contemporary. That is another actress.

    As for the father having supernatural powers...he's just relatively young. This is what Akane figured out by deducing that it was more likely that the twins official father wasn't Taiki's father on paper and the others were ignoring that possibility. The conclusion from the math you weren't getting before is that Taiki's mother was a child molester. Ruby and Aqua (and Taiki's) father was about the same age as Ai, so their father was between 10 and 12 when Taiki was conceived and 15-17 when Aqua and Ruby were. I know his exact age, but that's a very minor spoiler that is confirmed later.

    The supernatural stuff is the silver haired crow-girl who knows everything despite her age, and honestly, it is very jarring with the overall tone of the series despite the initial supernatural reincarnation premise.

    Kana is still best girl, hands down. Consummate professional with a sharp tongue.

    I guess I'll watch s3 because the acts I don't like are finally done. Well, maybe. Depends on how the manga ends in a few months.
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    the MV was really good. could have been an OP.
    dude from post credits really looks like Aqua.

    not that I'm dislike the rest of the manga, but the later arcs didn't do it for me like the ones so far.

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    Okay, yeah. Awesome. Was not expecting Ruby to inherit Aqua's obsession. Very cool development.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    - Akane WON, yes!
    Lol, yes. Because that's how anime works. The protagonist ends up with the final girl halfway through the story.

    You poor deluded fool. The fact that they've come together now has likely signed Akane's death warrant.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    And then suddenly half a year passes, with no progress at all apparently.
    What progress can you have with Aqua no longer actively pursuing the killer?

    Even Ruby, who also wants the killer dead, has left it up to Aqua. Not realizing that he's already given up.

    Nothing is going to happen until something triggers Aqua to start looking again.

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    Indeed pretty cool development. What comes to Akane, though, I don't believe, at all, that Aqua actually loves her. He's so full of guilt due to "using" Akane's Sherlock skills that it's probably out of obligation he's, still, going out with her. Now he's just not expecting anything from her, due to having shut down his brain. It's pretty ironic that he started using her to make progress, yet he never really did, at the end of the day. It was thanks to the laborous and meticulous DNA testing that he found his (fake) culprit. He didn't run it through Akane in any significant detail because he was merely reporting to her, not trying to analyse the results with her, in an interactive manner. So, while Akane recognised a weakness, like Ryll has pointed out many times, Aqua just wasn't interested anymore.

    The crow girl makes me think Aqua and Ruby actually were reincarnated on purpose to fulfill a purpose (the killer hunts all folks with those star eyes? I doubt it's that simplistic.). Maybe she approached Ruby because she knows Aqua has given up in the middle of the chase. If that's the case, then obviously she's a meaningful character and this is far more fantasy than just the reincarnation. Nevertheless, finding the serial killer is still up to Aqua & Ruby (and Akane?), since the Japanese police couldn't find a football hiding among tennis balls, unless one of the tennis balls confessed voluntarily.

    I didn't like the music video, but it's not the music video's fault. I imagine it was exactly like an idol music video has to be. It's just not the kind of music I'd ever listen to. I guess that's why I usually skip anime OPs, yet watch/listen to the EDs. Of course not every single anime in history has has that exact distinction between the OP and ED, but surprisingly often they do.

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