smart points for Akane, pouty points to Arima.
I'm mostly bugged that they say it's a packed place that you must have reservations for, but then the place is totally empty.
smart points for Akane, pouty points to Arima.
I'm mostly bugged that they say it's a packed place that you must have reservations for, but then the place is totally empty.
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You know the important distinction between Batman and me? Batman is fictional. In real life, there isn't always an alternative.
Nah, I'm not satisfied with this. It's too superficial. In my opinion an obsessed person doesn't give up so easily. In this episode we even heard he's been burning money like crazy in his obsession. Not to mention 100 appropriate, uncontaminated samples would also take a lot of effort. When you are hell-bent enough to ruin the rest of your life by committing to murder, you are more likely to be full of doubts, not full of relief, at least after a night or two's sleep. Aqua, however, doesn't seem to possess a single doubt (related to that). I'd have already forgiven the plot if, during this ep, Aqua had started to think about it again. It's not even in his personality to be a cheery fellow who quickly moves from one thing to the next.Originally Posted by DarthEnderX
Akane, with her psychoanalysis skills, was depicted as intelligent from the beginning, even if not entirely stable. Good consistency. Aqua and Arima's date was a good watch, since interestingly enough we don't really have that much intimate scenes between them, despite Arima having been in love with Aqua ever since they were both tiny child actors.
Other than that, that restaurant... Nothing but meat and sauce? As much as I like good meat, it would feel a bit weird to eat such a meal, with no plant matter on the side.
1) Can we just make Akane the main character of this anime? Omg, her realization at the end gave me the chills, like ... she felt like a side character who's about to disappear from the anime once the breakup is final, but then BAMM, she's inmidst of the thickest mystery. Wow.
2) Can someone actually spell it out for me what the "obvious loophole" is? I feel like we've already talked about all the possibilities in our discussion about the previous episode, but the creepy animation in Akane's vision didn't really give me a clue as to what she means.
3) Dear god, Arima is both boring and needy. Plus her entire personality is so fake that even off-camera she feels like some persona. I really hope Aqua doesn't fall for her, she's a red flag all around.
4) If that blonde guy, who looks exactly like Aqua's age, is their father, he's got the best genes ever. Or simply a lazy mangaka who couldn't be arsed to draw a circa 35yo guy his age.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Aqua/Ruby and Himekawa Taiki have the same father. Genetics test fact. Their mothers are different (duh). Aqua made the incorrect assumption on which father they share and assumed that the twin's father was the man married to Taiki's mother. As Akane deduced, that's not the only and very obvious possibility.
Now do some more math and figure out what the next horrible conclusion that draws from that happens to be.
I don't get it. So their father is the blonde guy and Himekawa doesn't know that. But what's the "horrible conclusion"? I feel like I need a diagram showing everybody's relation, lol.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I find Arima enjoyable to watch and cute, but Akane still wins. Her perceptiveness overall and devotedness towards Aqua makes me fall for her. I felt bad for her during the entire break-up scene.
Murdering Ai makes no sense when the Himekawa's dad was going s lover's suicide. The motivation doesn't make any sense. We're also not actually given a timeline on which happened first. Lover's suicide usually occurs when a pair wish to be with each other, but some worldly circumstance forbids them.
The horrible thing is that Aqua's dad is somehow orchestrating murders for all the mothers of his children. He tried to get Ai killed when she was going to give birth to Aqua but that didn't work out. Once he knew the address later on, Ai died. Likewise Himekawa's parents were presumably manipulated into a dual suicide (assuming that it is indeed suicide).
Ai x Blonde's relationship sounded consensual. Himekawa's mother x Blonde is unknown.
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If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
He's not doing it consciously.
I'm not. Aqua even points out that she's not even actually in love with him. She's just disappearing into her persona.
Was it a Lover's Suicide? Because in this episode they called it a Murder Suicide. Which is a totally different thing.
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That's the only saving grace. The audience and the other characters, mostly, can see there's something wrong about him. Like's his lacking vigor, is aimless, and generally just not himself. We, the audience, naturally see it all with the missing star from his eye. So, subconsciously Aqua does feel like this is not it, but for some bizarre reason he's forcing himself to believe the case is over.
Can Akane even genuinely fall in love? This might be as much as she's capable of. Perhaps it's due to her personality that allows her to so deeply analyse others and get into their shoes. So, she's lacking something that would make her 100% her own person.
It's not totally different. In both cases the couple is dead and the murderer is also dead. So, it's case closed in both cases. Totally different is what we can presume really happened in this story: It was neither a genuine murder-suicide, nor lovers' suicide. Either they were both straightforwardly murdered or the real culprit (the serial killer) managed to instigate either a murder-suicide or lovers' suicide. I'd imagine the instigation is what happened, considering that's what happened to Ai as well. And it would make the culprit that much more nefarious.
As for Akane, she's not sure if she's in love, and she reasons that it's because she's never been in love before and the relationship's been weird because of the romcom show. That said, she does feel great appreciation for Aqua and I daresay she likes him a lot and is willing to do a lot for him. She doesn't have any self-centric heart-pounding scenes though. so in terms of that she's below Kana.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
They used the term murishinjuu (無理心中) this episode, which means murder-suicide. The woman killed the man and herself. Aqua even mentions that the guy was killed, not that he killed himself.
Peace.
It's not bizarre. His quest for vengeance has made him bitter, angry and miserable. His subconscious is trying to let him be happy by not allowing him to be suspicious of the resolution he's been handed.
There's a huge difference between "Two people willingly committed suicide together." and "One person murdered the other, and then killed themself."
Sorry, but I still don't know what the OBVIOUS "horrible" part is that Akane realized. I read your postings, but this still feels more like your own theory, not something that the anime clearly spelled out. So again, could someone tell me what the anime/Akane meant?
What I understand:
- Aqua thinks his real dad was the guy from ther double-suicide
- Now we know the real dad is the blonde guy
- from here, Akane realized something when she talked with Aqua
- if she realized that the killed dad isn't Aqua's real dad, HOW did Akane realize that? I mean, sure that's technically possible, but why would it be an "obvious loophole" to assume that Himekawa lied to Aqua? Why would that be "obvious"? Anyone can be lying about anything, but why would it be obvious to assume this in this case? That's the part I don't understand, because the way Akane reacted so seriously, it must have been something that's not just technically possible, but something that is HIGHLY likely. And that's where I'm lost.
As we heard, this is Akane's first relationship, her first time falling in love with someone. Saying "it isn't love" is unfair when it's her first time. Love comes in many ways, and she clearly likes Aqua a lot and even offered having sex with him, so she's not being a child about it or something juvenile like that. Seeing how she's willing to support him truly, even going as far as to NOT telling him something because she knows how he'd react, I think that makes it pretty obvious that she loves him.
Arima, on the other side, is a total child and fake. Her idea of "love" stems from watching soap operas and she's merely trying to re-enact those shows with Aqua. Nothing about her "feelings" for him feels genuine. I'd feel sorry for Aqua should he fall in her trap, because she'd dump him over the most mundane shit. Toxic relationship incoming.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
She didn't realize that the murder-suicide man is not the father, at least not for sure, but she did realize that Aqua is overlooking something obvious (which to her meant he was unconsciously trying to bail on his revenge quest). The obvious thing is that just because Himekawa had a dad who died, does not mean it was that same man who spermed him and Aqua into existence. This simply means blond dude was fucking both Ai and the murder-suicide girl. This is an obvious possibility that it makes no sense for someone smart like Aqua to miss it without another reason. The DNA test only proved Himekawa and Aqua are half-siblings, not that the dead man was their actual father.
Himekawa didn't lie to Aqua, at least as far as we and Akane know. He could very well truly believe he was fathered by the dead dude and not Gilgamesh.
Peace.
What exactly is the difference? In both cases Aqua would believe his father, that is, the real mastermind behind Ai's murder, is dead. I really don't see the difference, especially when Aqua doesn't really know any further details about the case. The main issue here is that Aqua seems to believe that the mastermind is dead and that's it. If he got back his wits and realised it might just be another scheme by the real culprit, then such details might play a role. But not right now.
Thx, now I get it.
I guess the thing that should have made Aqua wary is: The dead "dad" isn't blonde, neither was Ai-chan, so where would his and Ruby's strikingly blonde hair come from?
Wat
In one case, I'm killing myself, choosing how to do it, probably trying to make it hurt as little as possible. In the other case, someone stabs me and I suffer terrible pain until my conscious vanishes. It couldn't be more different.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Uhhuh. And what does that matter to the guy who hates your guts and wants to find you, probably to murder you? In either case you are already dead and the guy's path of revenge is over.
It seems the confusion here is that I'm looking at this from the point of view of Aqua's plotline. Because that's what I've been talking about all along. None of us knows anything about those two nonames who died, so it really doesn't make much of a difference.
I'm assuming that "lovers suicide" is a nice way to say "husband murders wife over infidelity, then kills himself to avoid the stigma", and society sometimes accepts this as true.
That's not what I'd call a "lovers' suicide". To me, that is when two people love each other but the circumstances require them to kill themselves, because living apart is unimaginable for them. See Romeo and Juliet.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Given the often lack of gendered pronouns in Japanese, it's not that clear. But Himekawa Airi (the mother) was murdered by her husband, who then killed himself.
@MFauli
Math hint time. Taiki Himekawa is 22. Aqua/Ruby are 16. Ai was 16 when she gave birth to them.
Taiki was 6 years old when Ai was 16/17.
There's only two conclusions to their father's circumstances that you can make from these facts. One of them is correct, but neither conclusion is great.
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1. He left one affar for another
2. He two-tiimed with Ai
?
I feel really dumb, sorry.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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