Reincarnated as a Sword (TV)

[Kraco]

I'm just glad Fran got scolded for rushing ahead without the rest of the part and caused more of a danger to herself and everyone else for doing so. She deserved that.

Perhaps this once was fine, but not in the future. The other adventurers should have noticed earlier that Fran is a solo adventurer primarily interested in getting stronger on her own. The guild is not an army, so there shouldn't be such a strict command structure. If Fran risks herself, that's her own business, but I don't see how she would have been risking anyone else. If any noobs had got anywhere near the demon, they would have been instantly killed. Even a bit stronger adventurers would have likely suffered greatly. Fran probably saved folks by pushing forward on her own. The musclehead adventurer, who gave the lecture, was just too full of himself to care to see or think.

[shinta|hikari]

Same, translation of Japanese sources is already bad. I don't want to handicap myself by not watching the Japanese voices.

They scolded Fran... but if any of the others had been there, even Dondy, they would've died against the demon.

[Ryllharu]

They scolded Fran... but if any of the others had been there, even Dondy, they would've died against the demon.

The musclehead adventurer, who gave the lecture, was just too full of himself to care to see or think.

Donadrond is in the high level 30s. Fran went from Level 12 to 25 by clearing the dungeon. Donadrond would have been fine. It's also literally his job to prevent junior adventurers from getting over their heads and getting themselves killed prematurely.

Exactly what Fran appeared to be doing, and exactly what she did do in the fight, getting her hands hacked off in the process.

Since the others care about her, they rushed after her thinking she was pressing too far and would get herself killed, so they wanted to make sure she wasn't going too deep too quickly. In doing so, they also had to rush past the enemies she left alive because they didn't have useful skill crystals.

The audience and a dwarf blacksmith know she has a superpowered weapon looking after her, but nobody else does. They think she's a junior spellsword who just passed her adventuring exam and had barely proven herself an F-rank adventurer.

Fran and Teacher in their haste caused the others to rush after them, endangering the lives of the others as well as her own.

[shinta|hikari]

Donadrond is in the high level 30s. Fran went from Level 12 to 25 by clearing the dungeon. Donadrond would have been fine. It's also literally his job to prevent junior adventurers from getting over their heads and getting themselves killed prematurely.

Dondy is still a C class adventurer, while the demon is a B level threat. Remember that Fran, in her lower leveled state, beat Dondy quite handily, without even showing off most of the sword's powers. In contrast, she barely survived the demon even with the sword taking matters in its own "hands". I highly doubt Dondy would be okay against the demon even if his level is high. Levels aren't much without the stats and skills to match it.

While it is clearly his job to protect, none of them expected a B rank demon to show up in a goblin cave. The only thing I can see Dondy aiding with is forcing everyone to retreat.

[Kraco]

Donadrond is in the high level 30s. Fran went from Level 12 to 25 by clearing the dungeon. Donadrond would have been fine. It's also literally his job to prevent junior adventurers from getting over their heads and getting themselves killed prematurely.

It's his job because he has made it his job. His very behavior revealed that explicitly. Fran doesn't give a damn about his job, nor does great many other adventurers, I bet. From Fran's pov, the dude is someone trying to hold her back and slow down her progress toward her dream. All she needs is the sword.

Exactly what Fran appeared to be doing, and exactly what she did do in the fight, getting her hands hacked off in the process.

It's her business. She's the kind of person who rushes forward and subjects herself to deadly dangers to grow stronger. She would be dead without Teacher, but she has it, so that's it.

Since the others care about her, they rushed after her thinking she was pressing too far and would get herself killed, so they wanted to make sure she wasn't going too deep too quickly. In doing so, they also had to rush past the enemies she left alive because they didn't have useful skill crystals.

They can be worried about her and push forward, but they should have advanced rapidly anyway, Fran or no Fran. The guild is a collection of independent entrepreneurs, who decide for themselves what they are doing. Sure, it's humane to try to look after someone, but at the end of the day, they are all responsible for themselves and have got no one but themselves to blame if they meet an unhappy ending.

The audience and a dwarf blacksmith know she has a superpowered weapon looking after her, but nobody else does. They think she's a junior spellsword who just passed her adventuring exam and had barely proven herself an F-rank adventurer.

They knew she had already earlier wiped out an army of goblins, alone, saving that group of adventurers she sent back to give the report, while Fran herself remained to slaughter the goblins.

Fran and Teacher in their haste caused the others to rush after them, endangering the lives of the others as well as her own.

It was their decision to make haste, to chase after Fran. They could have as well progressed normally, at whatever snail's pace was their plan, and leave Fran to deal with Fran's problems, since it was Fran who decided to leave everyone behind. That would have been the more responsible choice, but since they didn't do that, I reckon they didn't actually risk much, contrary to your estimation.

[Buffalobiian]

Same, translation of Japanese sources is already bad. I don't want to handicap myself by not watching the Japanese voices

They speak Japanese.

The subs are fine.

Seeing Fran early > slightly worse subs

[DarthEnderX]

Donadrond is in the high level 30s. Fran went from Level 12 to 25 by clearing the dungeon. Donadrond would have been fine.

Donadrond's level doesn't take into account Teacher's power. Teacher was killing C-rank monsters on his own, with no wielder.

Fran is 25 on her own. With Teacher's power, who knows what their effective fighting level is.

[Ryllharu]

Donadrond's level doesn't take into account Teacher's power. Teacher was killing C-rank monsters on his own, with no wielder.

Fran is 25 on her own. With Teacher's power, who knows what their effective fighting level is.

Experience makes a bigger difference than you're making it out to be. Fran, cute as she is, is rushing too fast toward her dream. Even Teacher has pointed it out to her. Fran has great instincts, but she lacks the experience to meet her full potential and the way she rushes cost her her hands as the most concrete example. She panicked, froze from the shock, and nearly died.

We've seen how the contrast of how Donadrond fights when he gets surprised by an opponent's strength.

It's his job because he has made it his job. His very behavior revealed that explicitly. Fran doesn't give a damn about his job, nor does great many other adventurers, I bet. From Fran's pov, the dude is someone trying to hold her back and slow down her progress toward her dream. All she needs is the sword.

It's her business. She's the kind of person who rushes forward and subjects herself to deadly dangers to grow stronger. She would be dead without Teacher, but she has it, so that's it.

This is some DPS > Healer bullshit mentality and the same shitty rationale behind it.

[Buffalobiian]

This is some DPS > Healer bullshit mentality and the same shitty rationale behind it.

Don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Kraco is saying that Fran can be reckless, but she can because Teacher keeps her alive. There's no ">" involved.

[Ryllharu]

I said Fran deserved to be scolded for what she did. The characters in the anime agreed, including Fran reluctantly.

Fran cares about the people in the town. They care about her, and the risks she took deserved a scolding.

Nobody else seems to agree here, because the rest of you have blinders on looking at the outcome that she defeated a demon "so it all works out." The ends did not justify the means. That was the whole point of her getting scolded.

The series is about more than Fran and Teacher getting stupid skills and levels. That's what makes a LitRPG series like this tolerable. It's also heavily about Fran's personal growth. It's like the rest of you forgot what happened in every preceding episode.

[Buffalobiian]

I get the whole "be careful, don't rush" thing. Nothing about her action was right. Rushing forward is wrong. Not teleporting out is wrong.

I don't get how it has anything to do with DPS (players) being more important than healers. I understood the conversation until you brought that up.

[Ryllharu]

A specific response to a specific argument made by Kraco. The attitude those types of players have equates to the current emotional and tactical development place Fran was in.

She's not fine because she has Teacher. She's only alive because of him.

Teacher knows this distinction is a problem. Fran doesn't yet, but she's getting very close. What was she going to do with herself if he really fell apart for good? Or even if he slips from her grasp again and he's stuck in mana-draining mud again.

[Kraco]

A specific response to a specific argument made by Kraco. The attitude those types of players have equates to the current emotional and tactical development place Fran was in.

She's not fine because she has Teacher. She's only alive because of him.

Teacher knows this distinction is a problem. Fran doesn't yet, but she's getting very close. What was she going to do with herself if he really fell apart for good? Or even if he slips from her grasp again and he's stuck in mana-draining mud again.

Let me tell you this: If Fran followed Donadrond's advice, she might as well forget about her (and her parents') dream of proving the black cat tribe (or whatever was the name) can evolve. Would Donadrond care about it? No. I bet Donadrond's race can evolve just fine with some steady (and safe) work, but it's not so for Fran's folks, as far as she and her parents believe, and by the looks of it many others as well. She needs to push herself this much to achieve anything. There have been a couple of scenes of Teacher protesting against it, but in the end Fran always made Teacher see the light. Because it's the only path forward that she can see.

Losing her hands was nothing but a valuable lesson for her because Teacher was there to heal her. So, it's no big deal. In the first place, she would have been long dead already without the sword. Those two are a single unit. It's not about what Fran can do, it's about what Fran+Teacher can do. Donadrond doesn't have a clue, and I don't think he wants to get a clue either.

[David75]

I come after the battle, but in the end both POVs are true: Fran was egoistical and exposed herself to danger and nearly got killed saved by Teacher's OP healing powers.
But if she didn't do what she did, no evolution and no one could beat that demon, so a disaster would happen.

I guess some would be in the no risk no gain camp, and the others in the be careful and always think teamwork camp

[shinta|hikari]

They speak Japanese.

The subs are fine.

Seeing Fran early > slightly worse subs

I thought they were Chinese voiced!? Where do I get these early releases?

[Ryllharu]

Nyaa has the bilibili rip subs.

[DarthEnderX]

I don't get how it has anything to do with DPS (players) being more important than healers. I understood the conversation until you brought that up.

I'm not sure the metaphor is 1:1, but I think what they're referring to is how shitty DPSers will do whatever they can to maximize their damage, including standing in attacks they're supposed to avoid. And when they die, they blame the healer for not being able to keep them alive.

I bet Donadrond's race can evolve just fine with some steady (and safe) work, but it's not so for Fran's folks, as far as she and her parents believe, and by the looks of it many others as well. She needs to push herself this much to achieve anything.

Does she? It's never happened before. So how do you know if pushing herself has jack shit to do with her evolving?

[David75]

I thought they were Chinese voiced!? Where do I get these early releases?

NC-RAWS, nyaa.si

Most of the time chinese subs are first so you have to select the language you want of which english.
For Reincarnated as a sword, UHD ai upscale and 600 to 900MB encodes.
Other shows with a 1080p rez are from under 200MB to 600MB from B-Global source. CR source files are always over 1GB

[Kraco]

Does she? It's never happened before. So how do you know if pushing herself has jack shit to do with her evolving?

I don't know, but she seems to believe so. Teacher has hesitated every now and then, but Fran keeps telling it that she must press on. What's the alternative?

[DarthEnderX]

I don't know, but she seems to believe so. Teacher has hesitated every now and then, but Fran keeps telling it that she must press on. What's the alternative?

Use Thunder Stone?

Hard to answer given they haven't even explained how it works for the races that DO evolve.