Naruto Ebay-no jutsu

[SeGee]

well fan subs are free, but dont think illigal to sell.. or maybe they are? because they dont have Naruto selling rights? I donno

[Neotracker]

Well, Naruto hasn´t been licensed.
Thats wy downloading fansubs isn´t illegal.

[Chi Chi]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Neotracker @ Dec 10 2003, 01:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Well, Naruto hasn´t been licensed.
Thats wy downloading fansubs isn´t illegal. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
He is selling copyrighted work. (everything you put on the net is copyrighted)

[sangai]

well about everything being put on the net being copywrited thats the biggest load of bullshit ever, just becasue someone puts a circle around a C doesnt mean jack shit unless hes/she has a lawyer to back up that copywrite second it takes at least 2 years for a copywrite to become active and then its only good for ten years then it has to be renewed by a lawyer

as for naruto its copywritten so in japan if you where to record and sell naruto for your own profit thats illegal but because naruto is being distributed on the net to americans and other foreign no japan nations there isnt any copywritten law&#39;s being infringed upon.

what the person is doing is wrong and should not be selling the dvd&#39;s at all, the guys is a complete idiot considering the fact that alot of people can download them.

[Everon]

Copywright laws are extremely fickle. Thousands of lawyers with nothing better to do are arguing about copywright infringment. Unfortunately with computers, everything deals with making a copy of the original.

For example, this text you are reading is a copy.
This smiley is a copy of its original. your computer has downloaded an image off the web and then presented it you on the computer screen.

As most of you know, fansubbing, in the eyes of the law, is illegal. Any editing, and mass distribution of copywrighted material can be considered an infringment. Whether a group decided to enforce those copywrights is thier call. (Cough, Bandai, cough)

But what makes these eBay cases worse is that they are taking a copywrighted, altered, mass-distributed (without the copywrighter&#39;s consent) and SELLING it.

Of couse I&#39;m not trying to lecture anyone. Just stating the some unlikable facts.

[Rensouken]

Resouken&#39;s buddy says:

There is a sort-of unwritten nfan-sub rule out there that sed to be followed a lot better.
The rule is this:
If it&#39;s a fan-sub for a copywritten work, you can only charge the price of the material that it is recorded on and shipping.
That means that a fansub price should be about &#036;8, tops, on a high quality medium and insured shipping. That way, your not earning money for stuff you don&#39;t have licenses on, and therefore can&#39;t get you ass sued. If the compaines really wanted to play hard-ball, there woud be pretty much no fansubs on e-bay. You should really never spend more than &#036;10 on a fansub, they&#39;re free online and there are distributers out there that charge a hella lot less than anything you&#39;ll ever see on e-bay.

Rensouken says:

yes...that was awsome....but I&#39;m a pir8 so I can&#39;t complain

[ricefarmer]

this guy is pretty dam smart i should do it too.. i need the money

[Assertn]

sounds like too much work just to make &#036;20

he didnt even do a good job with the menu layout

[pc486]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>well about everything being put on the net being copywrited thats the biggest load of bullshit ever, just becasue someone puts a circle around a C doesnt mean jack shit unless hes/she has a lawyer to back up that copywrite second it takes at least 2 years for a copywrite to become active and then its only good for ten years then it has to be renewed by a lawyer </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Wrong wrong wrong wrong and wrong. Anything that is produced IS automatically copyrighted, even if it DOES NOT have a copyright symbol on it&#33; Not only that, but you do not need to register a copyright. The only thing that registering a copyright does is it makes it easier to sue someone for copyright infrigment (because now you don&#39;t have to prove that you are the true author).

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>because naruto is being distributed on the net to americans and other foreign no japan nations there isnt any copywritten law&#39;s being infringed upon.</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

Again, this is very wrong. Fansubs are in violation of international copyright law (at least between Japan and the US) by the Berne Convention. In other words, every japanese show fansubbing group that distributes in the US is breaking the law. However, this does not mean that the copyright holders will presue you. It&#39;s like fanfiction. If you write fanfiction and use someone else&#39;s character (say Luke from StarWars), then your fanfiction is infringing on copyright but the vast majority of the time it is ignored as it helps spread the popularity of the authors original work. Just keep in mind that it is up to the author in the end game so if they say take it down, then take it down.


Here&#39;s some links for all of the forum go&#39;ers who want to read up about copyright:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
http://www.rexx.com/~jaguar/copyright.html

[Jman]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (WinG ZerO @ Dec 10 2003, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> its all fake. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
true. These are just as bad as those bootleg HK DVDS

[Darkflare]

all that pc486, as far as i understand copyright lawas is all very true. everything you make yourself automatically has a copyright on it. if it is your original work, you have the rights to it no matter what. what fansubbers do, technically is illegal, but the..so called &quot;victim&quot; chooses not to do anything about it. the fansubbers arent selling what they do, so they dont make a profit, and the japanese companies see it as free advertisement, i suppose.

now, when you take the work of the fansubbers and try to sell it, that is taking the work of the fansubbers, making it illegal. The translations are the subbers, the encoding timing, etc. are all the work of the fansubbers. That is stealing their work and selling it, making illegal profit off of it.

[Assertn]

one of the easiest ways to get copyright for something you do/make, is to record evidence of it, put it in an envelope, and then mail it to yourself. If you keep it sealed, then the date of the contents can be confirmed by the postage date from the post office. At least thats what people did back in the day........

[Rensouken]

I was looking around Ebay one morning when I came around this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...&category=41524

thought it was ironic that all these fan sub groups are doing alot of work only to have it pooched and sold on Ebay.

[Kakashi-Senpai]

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ricefarmer @ Dec 10 2003, 03:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> this guy is pretty dam smart i should do it too.. i need the money </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
Don&#39;t even think about it. These people should die for using others work for ones benefit. They should be struck be lightning or die a horrible death. Naruto is meant to be shared and enjoyed, not to cheat and decieve.

[Insomniac]

its sad but theres been alot of these

[pc486]

Exactly Darkflare. While fansubbing is illegal in the first place, the producers in Japan don&#39;t care enough to presue it and some even support it esp. since the fansubbers arn&#39;t making any money (win lawsuit, get 5&#036; from the group) and it promotes thier product once it is released in X country. Again, this is similar to the fanfiction groups . I totally agree that the sale of fansubbed material is not only even more illegal than before, but that it is an instult to the subbing community. I would never puchase such a product.

AssertnFailure: The mail to yourself technique is actually not a valid way of protecting your own copyright and is just as effective in court as not mailing it to yourself.

Judge: &quot;Sure, there is a copy of work X on date Y from a supposedly untampered post, but can you prove you are the author?&quot;

See? Simply put, &quot;[t]he mythical &#39;mail myself a copy and don&#39;t open it&#39; method offers little more protection than the non-registered copyright, and is generally a waste of a stamp. In the U.S., only registration with the Copyright Office is acknowledged as legal registration.&quot; (http://www.rexx.com/~jaguar/copyright.html).


/me runs off to play his freshly imported Naruto 2 GC game

[WinG ZerO]

its all fake.

[KevKoN]

people think they are the actual DVDs so they buy them. when they are just fansubs stuck onto a VCD or DVD or something.

[SeGee]

well they never are saying that they arent their own... I woudnt think it was the real ones

[Neotracker]

Let me ask a question:
Is it legal to sell DVD´s with fansub releases, such as shown above??