Originally Posted by David75
I mean, that's not how that works, lol.
... not that this anime might be above stupid shit like that
I mean, that's not how that works, lol.
... not that this anime might be above stupid shit like that
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Turns out, the light novels are ongoing, somewhere around 9 or 10 volumes. Apparently we're somewhere around volume 4.
So we're going to get a reset ending. Guaranteed.
Though I have no clue how the series is even still ongoing.
I mean what is important is that Shino is happy and has a wonderfully cute little girl, Kyouya being the father is not necessary.I mean, that's not how that works, lol.
... not that this anime might be above stupid shit like that
You can argue that the little girl would not be the same exactly and that it is sad.
But if we follow the Steins;gate idea of worldline, they all exist parallel to each other but we only experience one at a time.
So she is not erased, it's that Kyouya would not be in a worldline where she exists as his daughter.
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
I think it is fair to say it doesn't matter who the father is because Shino clones herself.
Oh nice one, self duplication. Beware, Shino overdose can be dangerous
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
ROFL
Spat out my milk from my nose, thank you, sir!
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
At least that idea soothes the hearts of those fearing chibbi Shino would disapear in another wordline/route
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
episode 10:
LOL. This is the first episode that had me annoyed in the Ryll-sense
But there's so many characters that annoy me. Why does the brunette glasses-girl always call for Kyouya? Solve your own fucking problems!
And the blonde bimbo artist ... that's just not believable. The artist market is one of the most contentious in any creative industry. Nobody would casually throw away such a job. And she's seriously saying "I couldn't get myself motivated"?! WTF. She's not some unique genius. Even at the top of artists, there's always an alternative waiting for a chance. She's the worst part of these last two episodes :/
The CEO is dumb, too. What did he expect?! Does he want his dev team to use magic? He might not be directly involved with development, but if you'Re the CEO of a dev company, you ought to have enough of an understanding to make basic decisions not go that wrong.
And then the situation with Shinoaki ... 3 months have gone by now in that new future, and Kyouya NEVER asked her about how she quit drawing and all? And he didn't try calling Tsurayuki?!
With how Nanako seems to go back to singing, I'm now confident they're going for the "everybody's future actually turns out well after all" that I predicted, but ... the way it happens is so fucking unearned. This whole episode, I was waiting for Kawasegawa to stand up to the shitty CEO, but now it's Kyouya once again.
Really, all the irrational criticism Ryll had for Kyouya wasn't unwarranted until this point. NOW I'm starting to hate him, too lol
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
To help in doubling down that the Kawasegawa of this world is an ineffective team leader, because of course she's just a unmarried woman above 25 (therefore useless sterile hag!
Going to disagree with you here. She's a really accurate and realistic depiction of an artist with a severe case of floundering motivation, the downward spiral of losing self-confidence because of having a block, flailing for anything that might reignite that spark, and too scared to ask for help from the people who you owe work to because it makes you look unprofessional and weak. It's the same reason people hate Kazuya in Rent-a-Girlfriend. He's an accurate depiction of real life people with low self-esteem. They see a part of themselves they really don't like and don't want a reminder of it in their entertainment.And the blonde bimbo artist ... that's just not believable. The artist market is one of the most contentious in any creative industry. Nobody would casually throw away such a job. And she's seriously saying "I couldn't get myself motivated"?! WTF. She's not some unique genius. Even at the top of artists, there's always an alternative waiting for a chance. She's the worst part of these last two episodes :/
She probably is unique in this timeline because Kyouya's crappy management in 2007 led to Shinoaki quitting entirely. Ayaka is the successor to Shino's particular style, who admired her and rose to fill the gap from the little work Shino did complete.
And the rest of my usual hot take...
Kawasegawa is the leader of Team A, "which is what everyone thinks of regarding this group," and some other generic non-committal bullshit? Of course Kyouya's Team B is known for consistency, and bringing in a steady revenue stream, so of course his team is the successful moneymaker that's always on time...barf. I guess what this really means is Kawasegawa is the lead team that works on the big name projects so we can show how mediocre and incapable she is at management in this timeline compared to Kyouya. And worse still, the disgusting display of Nanako thanking him, saying she needed him for her confidence, and it is her fault for ruining all the help he gave her, though only the viewers and Kyouya know she was more successful without him in the original timeline.
It's really not right that Shino lies to her daughter about not being able to draw. I...kinda want to directly blame Kyouya for it, but it's not entirely fair to do so. I think I'll have to equally blame Shino for it. It's one thing to not want to do it at a professional level, but another to not "sloppily help" your own daughter who clearly enjoys it and wants to learn.
Everyone is a worse version of themselves in this world, even Kyouya just gives up helping people (even though he shouldn't in the first place in this world).
That said, his skeezy boss was correct to a degree. Kawasegawa got saddled with a shit job and a shit contract to go with it, but Kyouya should not be holding Kawasegawa's hand, especially at the expense of his own work. Their PR department fucking sucks though, but that could also just be Japanese business culture where the skeezy boss is getting the final say and just blaming hackers.
Kyouya is infuriating because he never learns the right lesson from his mistakes. Gave up before, if only I had a clean start with the artists I admire...then "helping" them backfired, I guess I'll give up on helping people despite doing it successfully to the nameless employees also under Kawasegawa in 2016. It's like he deliberately always takes the worst reaction outside of that one time with the camera mixup.
Definitely angers me that the message this episode is that they'll still get back up on their own and strive to be successful, when the reason they're not in 2018 is directly due to the protagonist. Even If they were struggling in some way in 2016, that's when he should have asked Kawasegawa to reach out. Instead of this "everything's shittier, but there's still hope for this world!" garbage.
Worth pointing out now that the pink-haired loli senpai god is a magical girl character from 2016 Kyouya's project working under Kawasegawa?
loli god.png
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sat, 09-11-2021 at 02:07 PM. Reason: failed to spell check before posting
Sorry, but I cannot accept your defense of the blonde bimbo.
This is a professional business. If an artist irl couldn't meet a deadline, that artist would be replaced asap and never again get a job in the industry.
To accept blonde bimbo's behavior, I have to accept that she doesn't care about losing the job, losing her entire career. And that is something I can't.
Got a "writers block - artist version"? Then still push yourself, do "not your best", but deliver the minimum. Not every project will be your best, that's not realistic. I'm a big Zelda-fan, but the quality of these games has always been fluctating. Sometimes the best people cannot call upon their best efforts, but you're part of a business and got responsibilities.
The only way to rationalize blonde bimbo is that she's a childish, entitled brat. And that's the word kind of character.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
One other thing I forgot.
The author may have knowledge of otaku things, but very obviously doesn't know anything about how they're made or how they work.
The gacha pull rates bug scandal is 100% made up bullshit.
Gacha rates work system-wide, the same for all users. Unless their firm deliberately set up one of the voice actors with a boosted account for PR, and then botched it by letting him talk about it openly. So the rates were either system wide shitty, and the actor had crazy luck (which happens, thanks to chaotic probability, people pull duplicates of top-tier units on a multi-pull all the time and boast about it). Or their pity system which they didn't mention and should have mentioned indeed has a bug instead of the pulls themselves.
Japanese VAs are all whales, and all pull their own units. And they use shitloads of in-game currency to hit the guarantees. Easily 150,000 yen worth. The gacha game companies promote these things by giving streamer collaborators tons of in-game currency. They don't tweak the pull systems.
This episode should have framed it as a legit bug and explained it, since they do dive into technical things (and usually get them wrong...) or they should have called the whole thing a PR blunder instead, and not claimed it was a gacha pull system bug that was exacerbated by poor PR department recovery. Make up your mind. Bugs with the engine (which the gacha system will be a separate function call of), bugs with the gacha system, or just a bad move with their PR department for not controlling the release hype correctly and creating the situation intentionally but screwing it up without talking to the development team?
Emphasis mine.
You do realize this is the same line of thought for why I've hated Kyouya from the first episode? Just directed at someone else with a minor difference in circumstances.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sat, 09-11-2021 at 03:24 PM.
Not much more to interpret lately.
I chuckled when, at the beginning of the episode, Kyouya declared he wouldn't make the same mistakes again. You're not going to (again) change the future you don't know about? Good luck with that.
He also said picking his job up without memories was 'hard', but 'not so hard' once he got used to it. Was there supposed to be new information presented during that monologue?
Also, at the end of the episode when he was lamenting on Shino's 'loss' not four minutes after a cute scene with their entire family being perfectly happy. It could have only been more out of place if the image of their family played over him regretting it existing; bizarre.
I hope the implication is that the happy ending is for a 'have cake and eat it too' Shino gets a family and retains her passion. It's not wrong to have artistic inclinations, but sometimes it gets fetishized in anime in a strange way.
It was sad to see Kawasegawa getting chewed out for game dev problems largely out of her control. Mostly because she has accepted her defeat, as Kyouya mentioned, was not like her old self. Speaking of old selves, just how inattentive was autopilot Kyouya to not have a reputation for meddling in others business and always 'finding a way'? If he adopted that mindset back in college, he should have had it in the intermittent time until now, but none of that ambition is even hinted at in the current timeline. It doesn't add up.
I don't think she was wrong for taking ownership of her career. What was her problem again- that Kyouya instilled in her? Were we ever told what damage was caused by having her compose music for an eroge? She apparently has the tools to sing and continue doing so, so maybe the impetus here is that she will still rise to stardom, or maybe even be better than before, though I admit that seems unlikely.
Those don't have to be diametrically opposed, right? That their desire to craft overcomes the 'trauma' that working with Kyouya imparted builds them up more as resilient characters instead of damsels needing rescuing. I still hold some hope that this can result in all of them being ultimately better than before due to the experience, saving another random time jump.
The issue isn't that she's taking ownership of her career. She's taking it back, which is a good thing. It's that 2018 Nanako placed her early success in school and in the game production on Kyouya's shoulders. He literally has nothing to do with her success. It's the opposite. She even admitted in the concert episode that she was about to convince herself that she needed to get up on stage and take the opportunity. But she misinterpreted that as him giving her that final push, forgetting that her own drive pushed her to a place where she wanted to be.
2018 Nanako is ignorant of the fact that she was more successful without him. So that eats at Kyouya, but as the audience we get to see her naively thanking him for the mediocrity she's had up until now. And not wanting to put the "work he did" to waste. We and Kyouya know he made her worse with his bad advice during the game development and telling her that it was okay.
In Kyouya choosing Shino, Nanako gave up in the most gentle way possible. She lacked the confidence that she thought Kyouya was giving her, but we know his meddling was actually making her worse, and she didn't go independent. "someone as unremarkable as me."
She sang covers. A lot, as indicated by her return video being, "...an original. How long has it been since I've done an original?" Probably based on the concert as well as him telling her derivative work on the dating sim was fine, skewing her perceptions on what she was actually capable of and wanted to be.
Because Nanako is thanking him for being a shitty NicoNicoDouga cover signer. And Shino grew to hate art so much she tells her husband she no longer has any desire to do art and lies to her daughter to hide it.Those don't have to be diametrically opposed, right? That their desire to craft overcomes the 'trauma' that working with Kyouya imparted builds them up more as resilient characters instead of damsels needing rescuing. I still hold some hope that this can result in all of them being ultimately better than before due to the experience, saving another random time jump.
Because they both still have the impression that Kyouya, being the capable superhero he is, was right with his retrospectively horrible advice (he and we both know he lied to them at the time) and they accepted giving up on what they loved, or struggling with it to the point that throwing in the towel is okay.
It might be we'll soon start Kawasegawa's route.
No Shino and Chibi Shino this week, I'm sad
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
I'm too disgusted with this episode to even rage-comment about it.
Yeah, tripped-up by Kawasegawa joining the "You're exceptional" train ?
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
More that she wasn't only on the "you're so endlessly great," train, but on top of that she forgave him for everything he thinks he's done wrong, telling him it is all their faults, not his. He's apparently been undermining her at the company for years, always being the savior.
Kyouya was right that he undermined her authority. Even though he tried to salvage it with the boss and everyone else by claiming that Kawasegawa and he had talked about the plan, she knew. Her people would know too deep down. He even went back to the boss solo because he had undermined his boss' authority in front of everyone. A big no-no in Japanese businesses. He narrowly skirted the line that allowed his boss to save face. Another lethal Japanese business act.
Kyouya was actually having positive character development about what being in creative collaborations really means, Kawasegawa's sister's advice all along, and Kawasegawa hand waved it all away. Kyouya swooping in to salvage the situation miraculously (which the boss even said he's done a lot in the gap years Kyouya knows nothing about) hurts someone. He knows it now.
I was actually somewhat happy with this episode character development wise until the airport scenes, though the plans to save the game programming wise are actually pure bullshit. The PR response, time off, and player apologems...basically the same thing as Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn.
The others mediocrity is not solely his fault. True. But he had a significant part to play. Kawasegawa just doesn't know that the time/dimensional jumps are real.
So I don't hate Kyouya this episode. I hate what he's turned Kawasegawa into. He summoned Keiko because he knew that he had failed again, but now has the proper attitude and life lessons to fix either 2016 itself or 2007.
I guess we'll get 24 eps, so I expect some bumps on the way to the true end.
I'm pretty sure he can mess everything up big time at least twice before getting to the true end
And yes, I wonder how he could negociate for the engine, convert the work that flawlessly and think everything else to a point he wins all arguments.
Never happens in real life because people and time...
All the things I really like to do are either illegal, immoral, or fattening. And then: Golf.
They just replaced the .exe and voilą...game runs on new engine.
I'm very certain that's not how programs work.
LOL, I'm actually on your side this week ;D I kinda suspect your early rant was a spoiler because you already knew the story, huh? ;p
The entire episode really was 'kyouya so awesome'. The worst scene for me was when he let Kawasegawa delude himself into truly believing that his presence in the past didn't negatively impact the others. Um, yes it fukkin did. :/ Ofc, Kawasegawa doesn't know about the time travel, but HE DOES. So pls spare us the 'She's right!' false-realization. Ugh
Oh, and now he'll go back again? Man, if he really erases his daughter, that'd make this one of the worst anime ever lol.
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