Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

[KrayZ33]

Why wouldn't I sidestep her when Sylphie, in whose defense Norn was supposedly speaking, sidestepped her?

Because it seems you are doing that before it was actually clear that Sylphie was fine with it, the normal train of thought would've been that Sylphie is NOT fine with it (if Sylphie was a real and normal and believable person) wouldn't it? And Norn came to her defense. It turned out to be unnecessary but that's unexpected, even in their world.
I think it's unfair to say it was about Norn though.
That's like saying it's about "me" when I help a stranger that gets bullied because my moral compass tells me it's the right thing to do. Or if you want to remove the third party, it's like saying it's about "me" when I help my brother or someone else back on what I consider the "right track".
That would just mean that selfless acts don't exist.

She felt threatened by Roxy appearing because it doesn't fit her Milis principles (a dear memory of her mom) and because she's not sure what would happen to her own place in the house if another woman appeared there.

Nah, I don't think that's the case at all.
At least not if you were arguing towards something simple such as "I'll disappear among them and become unimportant"

The first part, yes, if your morals are getting attacked this might cause a defensive reaction because that's basically a confronation to your believe system. What I actually think happened is however that Rudeus doesn't match with what she considers a "good person" and that is bringing up doubts and fears (about her brother being a good guy)

Rudeus is Paul and Zenith's child. Norn is not Rudeus and Sylphie's child. Isn't that the point I was making from the beginning?

Yes but what does that mean?
Why is that important? I don't understand that point.
Father getting a second wife, that woman means nothing to you - you care about your mother though and how she feels
Brother getting a second wife, that woman means nothing to you - you care about Sylphie(his wife) though and how she feels.

Don't get me wrong with that example, in both cases it's about the person getting the second wife and what you now think of him, not about the person who got hurt.

In both cases you have no say in it either way, but you are not out of line when you step in and give your thoughts about a family decision.
Are you closer to your dad than you are to your sister? In what way?

Nobody will take the place of Norn's parents. That's the reality she will need to deal with

That's wrong though, because Sylphie and Rudeus are for certain taking their place. We are talking about roles, aren't we?
Not the actual person.
Your older brother could take the place of your father if he needs to.






Skipping through this season again, I think this is one of my favorites scenes this season

Overall the whole Labyrinth part was pretty awesome, seeing Elinalise wielding her buckler and sword skills. Paul being a pretty cool and strong fighter and overall the whole "party explores a dungeon" dynamic was really well done. I mentioned that the hydra fight was good, but it's actually the whole thing about the dungeon that was very entertaining.

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Because it seems you are doing that before it was actually clear that Sylphie was fine with it, the normal train of thought would've been that Sylphie is NOT fine with it (if Sylphie was a real and normal and believable person) wouldn't it? And Norn came to her defense. It turned out to be unnecessary but that's unexpected, even in their world.

Who is Norn to define what Sylphie would find okay or not okay? She had no chance to discuss it beforehand with Sylphie. Norn merely assumed Sylphie would never be okay with it, because Norn herself, having adopted the Milis faith from her mother, wouldn't be okay with it. Norn hasn't really got along with Aisha either, which would have made her own family situation more painful. I wouldn't go as far as to say she now would hope that Aisha had never been born, but since it's a binary situation (a person either is born or not), you might as well say her ideal birth family would have nobody but Paul, Zenith, Rudeus, and herself. Maybe Norn is also afraid of the kid Sylphie gives birth to having to face a situation similar to her own experience with Aisha.

It might not be unexpected at all in their world. In the USA it would be perfectly expected for a household to sport a pistol for self-defence reasons. In much of Europe, it would be extraordinary. In Japan, it would be nigh impossible. Why would it be unexpected for a deeply polygamous culture to have the first wife accept a second wife somewhat graciously, aftering having tested and judged the second wife candidate with her own eyes, with plenty of prior information available as well?

I think it's unfair to say it was about Norn though.
That's like saying it's about "me" when I help a stranger that gets bullied because my moral compass tells me it's the right thing to do. Or if you want to remove the third party, it's like saying it's about "me" when I help my brother or someone else back on what I consider the "right track".
That would just mean that selfless acts don't exist.

I'm not saying Norn wouldn't have done it with the best of intentions, but it doesn't change the fact she didn't know what she was doing and based it all 100% on her own beliefs, personal experience, and opinions. So, yes, it was about her.

Nah, I don't think that's the case at all.
At least not if you were arguing towards something simple such as "I'll disappear among them and become unimportant"

Well, sure, that might have been going a bit too far on my part. But it definitely would have felt threatening to her own comfort within the household, which would play a role in her motivations.

Yes but what does that mean?
Why is that important? I don't understand that point.
Father getting a second wife, that woman means nothing to you - you care about your mother though and how she feels
Brother getting a second wife, that woman means nothing to you - you care about Sylphie(his wife) though and how she feels.

Of course there's a difference between your biological family (yourself, your parents) and the family your sibling found for themselves. Your sibling's choice in choosing a spouse is none of your business. Of course if your sibling starts dating a drug addict, you would typically do what you can to discourage it, but that's all you can do. Roxy isn't a drug addict, though. She's an extremely important person for the whole family, with long history. I'm sure Norn had heard some of it. Roxy even almost died miserably and alone while trying to save Zenith, purely out of the goodness of her heart.

That's wrong though, because Sylphie and Rudeus are for certain taking their place. We are talking about roles, aren't we?
Not the actual person.
Your older brother could take the place of your father if he needs to.

Seems like we will end up disagreeing here. Rudeus is taking their place in some specific functions, but that's all. Being a dad or a mom is more than just a collection of mundane tasks performed. Rudeus is Norn and Aisha's big brother. That's his role, even if he ends up having to do more than big brothers usually do. Nevertheless, he also has his own family, which is separate from his birth family (where Norn and Aisha belong). "Cruel" as it might be, Rudeus's new family (Sylphie+baby and Roxy) are his first priority. That's how nature works.