Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

[shinta|hikari]

@Buff - Aisha, his half-sister???

[Ryllharu]

Are you pulling a DarthEnder now? Sylphie is not the main character. She's now a mother-to-be. And even then there's the possibility of her princess-friend calling for her help. Everything about her status quo is FINE. This is Rudy's story and it's progressing in an interesting way.

Why does it matter that Sylphie is CURRENTLY not the utmost exciting character? That doesn't mean anything should be cut or rewritten, holy shit. Sometimes I want to play Harvest Moon.

Because she's one of the main heroines...except she might as well be a tertiary support character.

Hypothetically, take her completely out of the story after the teleport incident and resolve the ED arc with Roxy in THIS arc.

Does a lack of Sylphie change the narrative? Not one bit. That means she presently serves no purpose in the narrative.

Ariel is going to call Rudeus. Not Sylphie, she's done in the story. Arguably, the only reason Sylphie even needed to come back into the story was to serve as a lazy plot bridge to connect Rudeus with Ariel. Which his cousin does anyway. She's redundant. The fact that she's very boring and obedient means there's no means for her to change the dynamics within the series.

[MFauli]

Because she's one of the main heroines...except she might as well be a tertiary support character.

Hypothetically, take her completely out of the story after the teleport incident and resolve the ED arc with Roxy in THIS arc.

Does a lack of Sylphie change the narrative? Not one bit. That means she presently serves no purpose in the narrative.

Ariel is going to call Rudeus. Not Sylphie, she's done in the story. Arguably, the only reason Sylphie even needed to come back into the story was to serve as a lazy plot bridge to connect Rudeus with Ariel. Which his cousin does anyway. She's redundant. The fact that she's very boring and obedient means there's no means for her to change the dynamics within the series.

Would not seeing Roxy again change the narrative? (unless you consider the potential cheating of Rudy's on Sylphie with her "narrative") She could have never appeared again and the main plot would have progressed the same. Instead of Roxy, Rudy's dad would have hired someone else and still called Rudy for help eventually, leading to the rescuing of Zenith.

Heck, Sylphie being an elf has the potential for some important future development, imagine Rudy entering an elfen society and everyone's hostile to humans, but then Sylphie appears and is like "yo guys, this is my hubby, pls be nice"

Tbh it feels like you just don't like parts of the plot and instead of admitting that, you try to create general rules that justify your dislike, when there's really nothing wrong with Sylphie and what happened wth her. Anyway, new episode out!

[DarthEnderX]

Oh no, how dare a woman dream of marrying, having children and leading a peaceful family life!!1 /s

This sort of attitude is what makes modern feminism so toxic :/ Persuing a career is fine. Persuing family life is fine, too. And Sylphie is great. If only she had female curves.

Having children and leading a peaceful family life is great.

I don't want to watch a goddamn show about that.

Sylphie is a great person. She's also completely boring. The point of a character should be to be interesting. Sylphie is not.

[Ryllharu]

Heck, Sylphie being an elf has the potential for some important future development, imagine Rudy entering an elfen society and everyone's hostile to humans, but then Sylphie appears and is like "yo guys, this is my hubby, pls be nice"

Tbh it feels like you just don't like parts of the plot and instead of admitting that, you try to create general rules that justify your dislike, when there's really nothing wrong with Sylphie and what happened wth her. Anyway, new episode out!

First off, she's 1/4, so absolutely nothing. Elinalise is a full elf, and despite the fact that she's her grandmother, Rudeus met her independently and would have known Elinalise through both Paul and Roxy.

And secondly, your lack of self-awareness could not be funnier.

[MFauli]

Season 2 - Episode 22:

I'm actually crying. Well, I got teary eyes. Can't stand when dads who've just been trying to do the right thing die. Why can't we have some bs miracle anime thing here? Ugh.

And Zenith got Cyaska'd. Wow.

Having children and leading a peaceful family life is great.

I don't want to watch a goddamn show about that.

Okay, other people want that. So it's not about a general rule but personal taste. That is okay.

[Ryllharu]

Season 2 - Episode 22:

I'm actually crying. Well, I got teary eyes. Can't stand when dads who've just been trying to do the right thing die. Why can't we have some bs miracle anime thing here? Ugh.

And Zenith got Cyaska'd. Wow.

The pyrrhic victory really sucks, but it is good that this series reminds us of what type of world it is. The fact that strong healing spells can regrow limbs at all is a miracle. Rudy's nearly died before from lethal attacks, and this world as a whole is fairly unforgiving.

Even the magic and sword fighter abilities are fairly balanced. Rudeus would have died a few times over the past several years if not for the random blessing of the Demon Empress giving him an eye of foresight. But even that had its limits. A stronger swordsman below Ghislaine's level still can kill him pretty easily.

But Paul at least really got to show off in his last encounter. His goals achieved, his son didn't die in the attempt. Fair trade to him. That cocky smile at his last breath showed it all.

[DarthEnderX]

Okay, so Rudy traded his dad and a hand, for Roxy and a badly damaged mom.

Question is, is God right, does Rudy regret coming now.

And Zenith got Cyaska'd.

Was literally going to say that.

Okay, other people want that. So it's not about a general rule but personal taste.

Good for them. They can go watch "My Peaceful Life as an Apothecary in Another World" or whatever.

[Buffalobiian]

@Buff - Aisha, his half-sister???

That's the one.


I'd been spoiled re: Pauls' death and Zenith's state, but Paul's death still hit pretty hard. Him not actually saying anything with his last breath was way more impactful than if he had I reckon. (And this is why you let people say their death flaggy stuff since otherwise you wouldn't get anything at all).

I was mildly surprised they didn't carry Paul back in an ice coffin or something.

The episode did make it seem like Rudy dropped the ball by celebrating early, but even before he did that, the hydra was onto him anyway and he wasn't able to dodge everything, so I'm not too sure it'd have made a difference overall.

I'm a bit annoyed that dispelling mana means rock drops etc don't work, but it'll have to do from a narrative perspective. It'd only work in a show where you shoot actual mana beams. Mushoku Tensei's attack spells have all been physical manipulation of matter.

[MFauli]

And it needs to be said: What a gorgeous RPG-like fight this was! This is what most gamers who play RPGs imagine the battles in their shitty games to be like. I wish video games would finally reach the level where the presentation of a game approaches this level of cinematicness. Just great.

[David75]

Pretty sure Rudeus will get an automaton arm once they fully understand how the mana powered one works.
Paul dying, well shit happens. And he's the only one from the party to be dead. The first encounter could have been the last.
The other one dead is Zenith, probably a blessing for her since she's not waking to learn her husband died trying to save her.
We probably won't have miracle healing for that. I guess it's similar to a stroke, her brain cells lacking oxygen for too long.

The question I've seen and I like is to evaluate if Rudeus will regret having lost a hand, a dad and mom, instead of just his mom and Roxy. For the later, it's also possible he would have never known. But I'm pretty sure his relationship with Paul and sisters would've sour.

So the match is half dead mom, dead dad, present Roxy and lost hand vs dead mom, absent Roxy and sour familly relationship
I feel like what we have now is a little better for Rudeus.
He clearly stated he's a little foreign to that mom.
Though he respects Paul, he was not that compatible with him. Still a great loss.
Losing left hand, well he states himself it's not that much of a deal. And I'm pretty sure he'll get a mechanical/mana powered one.
The greatest benefit is having Roxy in his world again.

[MFauli]

Pretty sure Rudeus will get an automaton arm once they fully understand how the mana powered one works.
Paul dying, well shit happens. And he's the only one from the party to be dead. The first encounter could have been the last.
The other one dead is Zenith, probably a blessing for her since she's not waking to learn her husband died trying to save her.
We probably won't have miracle healing for that. I guess it's similar to a stroke, her brain cells lacking oxygen for too long.

The question I've seen and I like is to evaluate if Rudeus will regret having lost a hand, a dad and mom, instead of just his mom and Roxy. For the later, it's also possible he would have never known. But I'm pretty sure his relationship with Paul and sisters would've sour.

So the match is half dead mom, dead dad, present Roxy and lost hand vs dead mom, absent Roxy and sour familly relationship
I feel like what we have now is a little better for Rudeus.
He clearly stated he's a little foreign to that mom.
Though he respects Paul, he was not that compatible with him. Still a great loss.
Losing left hand, well he states himself it's not that much of a deal. And I'm pretty sure he'll get a mechanical/mana powered one.
The greatest benefit is having Roxy in his world again.

I'm sorry, but I find this whole "question" to be that of a psychopath. Why would you pitch it against each other like that? Things happen, nobody knew beforehand, the end. The only one who knew was Hitogami and he doesn't care. People he loved died and were saved, that's it.

[Ryllharu]

I'm sorry, but I find this whole "question" to be that of a psychopath. Why would you pitch it against each other like that? Things happen, nobody knew beforehand, the end. The only one who knew was Hitogami and he doesn't care. People he loved died and were saved, that's it.

It is exactly what Hitogami posed were his choices. Hitogami told him not to go and promised Rudeus that he'd impregnate one of the beastgirls.

I suppose the real question is whether or not Hitogami can still be believed or trusted. I'm thinking the answer is a firm "No" now, because Rudeus is the one of saved Roxy. He may be injured, lost his father, and his mother may be 'lost' as well, but it can still be said that in the grand scheme of the sociopathic calculus at work here, Rudeus was right to go and Hitogami's 'guidance' was false.

[David75]

He had that layed out yes.
And he's quite cold/detached/sociopath to most people of that world bar a few exceptions.
So he will clearly rate the path he took against not going and decide for himself that he regrets nothing since he saved Roxy and he now knows she'd be dead without him.
Sure, if he stayed he would never have known about Roxy.
But he didn't and he knows she'd be dead.

[MFauli]

It'd be a more interesting moral question if Hitogami directly told Rudy this: If you go, your dad dies. If you stay, Roxy dies.

[Kraco]

Let's not forget that even if Rudeus himself has an emotionally distant relationship with his parents, the same is not true especially for Norn. Aisha can probably do just fine with only Lillia. You could say that a huge factor in Rudeus accepting this mission was Norn. Now, of course, Norn will have no dad anymore and a mother who's not really there. Learning all of this will be extremely painful for Norn. But then again, I'm not yet ready to assume, too quickly, that Zenith's brain can't be healed.

All in all, even if everything didn't go smoothly for a Hollywood ending, it absolutely was better to try than not to try. Rudeus has a history of depression. I hope this won't trigger another period of it. He might feel like he doesn't have the right to be happy anymore.

I wonder if the fight animation was at fault or if it was Rudeus. There was something wrong about how Rudeus kept losing awareness of his surroundings. It's doubly weird because of his future vision. He just keeps getting distracted by whatever. Perhaps it would be best for him to either avoid combat altogether or figure out why he's like that, in order to fix his flaws.

[MFauli]

Zenith can absolutely be healed, would be stupid if not. More importantly, though, this gives both Norn and Aisha a perfect meaning for their life: Aisha no longer is just a maid for fun, she's now caretaking of Zenith. And Norn will have the drive to study healing magic to restore her mother's health. And Sylphie gets to train for with the "big baby" for when hers is born >_>

But yeah, seeing Rudy and Norn meet will be tought. "Dad died when he saved me" might not be to Norn's liking. "SO HE'D BE ALIVE IF NOT FOR YOU!!!1"

[DarthEnderX]

(And this is why you let people say their death flaggy stuff since otherwise you wouldn't get anything at all).

Exactly! Don't cut people off!

Why would you pitch it against each other like that?

Because God did.

There was something wrong about how Rudeus kept losing awareness of his surroundings. It's doubly weird because of his future vision. He just keeps getting distracted by whatever. Perhaps it would be best for him to either avoid combat altogether or figure out why he's like that, in order to fix his flaws.

Maybe the mana dissipation was dissipating his future sight.

But yeah, seeing Rudy and Norn meet will be tought. "Dad died when he saved me" might not be to Norn's liking. "SO HE'D BE ALIVE IF NOT FOR YOU!!!1"

He probably doesn't need to give her the blow-by-blow details of Paul's death.

[shinta|hikari]

He should. That is the right thing to do.

He should also explain that Paul almost got them killed the first round because of him. And that if not for him, all of them would be dead, which is not something they can say for literally anyone else in their group. And that he lost a hand to save Zenith when Paul just croaked because he wasn't strong enough.

Fuck Paul, deadbeat dad shithead. Thank mangod he is dead.

[MFauli]

Worst take ever, shinta, go apologize to your wife!

Maybe the mana dissipation was dissipating his future sight.

Maybe that. My first thought was that, because there was at least one weirdly "intimate" moment of the Hydra staring at Rudy, that it is so powerful and thus so close to the Dragon God that his eye powers don't work on it. Similarily to how I imagine they wouldn't work against the Dragon God or probably any "God".