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    As someone who has read the WN (Not the LN) like 10 years ago I don't remember having any particular reactions to Orsted healing Rudeus. Only thing I remember was wondering how he knew everyone and their futures if everyone is scared shitless of him and thought that was the hardest thing to accept at face value. It's kinda absurd to imagine him for some reason sitting down with Paul and Zenith, having some tea and discussing their children and lineage while they're quaking in their boots.

    Anyway from reading KrayZ33 and Ryllharus posts Orsted reminds/sounds a lot like MCs in all the generic Manwhas I've been reading lately where they go back in time. Mostly the whole knowledge of certain characters and their future/importance and reaction to the unknown variable, usually the unknown variable isn't an important variable at all and the MC more or less ignores it. So the comparison is basically that Mushoku becomes a story about that unknown variable that the MC decided to ignore/not include in his party, the idea makes it more entertaining in my mind actually.
    You are here alone again
    In your sweet insanity
    All too calm, you hide yourself from reality
    Do you call it solitude? Do you call it liberty?
    When all the world turns away to leave you lonely

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireheart View Post
    As someone who has read the WN (Not the LN) like 10 years ago I don't remember having any particular reactions to Orsted healing Rudeus. Only thing I remember was wondering how he knew everyone and their futures if everyone is scared shitless of him and thought that was the hardest thing to accept at face value. It's kinda absurd to imagine him for some reason sitting down with Paul and Zenith, having some tea and discussing their children and lineage while they're quaking in their boots.

    Anyway from reading KrayZ33 and Ryllharus posts Orsted reminds/sounds a lot like MCs in all the generic Manwhas I've been reading lately where they go back in time. Mostly the whole knowledge of certain characters and their future/importance and reaction to the unknown variable, usually the unknown variable isn't an important variable at all and the MC more or less ignores it. So the comparison is basically that Mushoku becomes a story about that unknown variable that the MC decided to ignore/not include in his party, the idea makes it more entertaining in my mind actually.
    I assumed that since he's called a Dragon God, he has some supernatural ability of divination to figure out things about people, their past, present, and maybe the future to some degree. Kind of like he could right-click on people and select Properties. That's also how the other god, Man-God, seems to be operating when guiding Rudeus (for his own amusement). However, apparently Orsted couldn't read Rudeus much, and when he checked the info on Paul and Zenith, the properties only listed two kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireheart View Post
    Anyway from reading KrayZ33 and Ryllharus posts Orsted reminds/sounds a lot like MCs in all the generic Manwhas I've been reading lately where they go back in time. Mostly the whole knowledge of certain characters and their future/importance and reaction to the unknown variable, usually the unknown variable isn't an important variable at all and the MC more or less ignores it. So the comparison is basically that Mushoku becomes a story about that unknown variable that the MC decided to ignore/not include in his party, the idea makes it more entertaining in my mind actually.
    I'm quite partial to the ones where the protagonist's recall isn't perfect, or their perspective on the events and people who lead to their prior demise was limited, though my personal favorite "do-over" manwha has both of those aspects as well as a third. The lead's partial success in fixing the do-over timeline results in their internal acknowledgement that the present state has deviated far enough now that they're in unknown territory again.

    Re:zero did this on such a short scale that the suspense is ruined with the presumption of eventual success. The good manwha out there imply it really is a single new shot, and they have no idea where and what caused the prior timeline to spiral into their guaranteed doom. Erased handled that similarly well.

    So it would kind of ruin it to reincarnate Rudy again unless it was from complete scratch, and he'd probably fuck up the relationship with Eris, Sylphie, or Roxy. Being revived by Orsted sucks, and I would have rather it be anyone else, including Eris or Rudy himself barely managing to survive and being forced to recover with healing over the next year or something. Instantly killed and instantly fixed really deflates the tension.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraco View Post
    I assumed that since he's called a Dragon God, he has some supernatural ability of divination to figure out things about people, their past, present, and maybe the future to some degree. Kind of like he could right-click on people and select Properties. That's also how the other god, Man-God, seems to be operating when guiding Rudeus (for his own amusement). However, apparently Orsted couldn't read Rudeus much, and when he checked the info on Paul and Zenith, the properties only listed two kids.
    In all our bickering, it's going ignored even though I've mentioned it twice, three times now below.

    Orsted's dialogue confirmed there are time loops. Otherwise he would have no way of knowing that Paul Greyrat only ever has two daughters.

    Rudy's presence means the Man-God has fucked with this present time loop (kinda hard to guess that a different deity intervened and isekai'd Rudy, but that would be a really crazy and interesting twist).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    In all our bickering, it's going ignored even though I've mentioned it twice, three times now below.

    Orsted's dialogue confirmed there are time loops. Otherwise he would have no way of knowing that Paul Greyrat only ever has two daughters.

    Rudy's presence means the Man-God has fucked with this present time loop (kinda hard to guess that a different deity intervened and isekai'd Rudy, but that would be a really crazy and interesting twist).
    Huh. I did notice someone throwing around the idea of a time loop at some point, but time loops can be kind of an annoying plot element. Just how many loops would Orsted have to go through, anyway, to remember such random people? If that is really so, he might be a total lunatic already, and I wouldn't blame him even if he killed and revived Rudeus 10 times in a row. He could be Sheogorath's best buddy after enough time loops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryllharu View Post
    So it would kind of ruin it to reincarnate Rudy again unless it was from complete scratch, and he'd probably fuck up the relationship with Eris, Sylphie, or Roxy.
    The only way I'd find getting reincarnated again interesting is if he had to start over in a brand new world!

    Gimmie that isekai! Character dies at the end of each saga and starts over on a new world each time.

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