Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

[Munsu]

Well most of the people in the thread seem to be reading the LN already.

I think I'm the only one, shinta has done the web novel, so he has a gist of it, others seem to have the manga as their source. But since this particular event has already gone beyond the scope of what is expected in an anime only discussion, nothing to be done at this point other than to limit the damage. Particularly with things that are can be heavily influenced by editing and translation liberties. Regardless, thread is up in The Flame Pit for those who want it.

[DarthEnderX]

I think I'm the only one, shinta has done the web novel, so he has a gist of it, others seem to have the manga as their source.

Point being, I might be the only anime-only guy here.

[Ryllharu]

Point being, I might be the only anime-only guy here.

I don't read the manga or novels. It's just obvious to me what they actually meant because I read lots of period-era isekai and "redo" series. The 'villainess' genre is full of 'em.

[Munsu]

Finally watched the episode, I wish the Paul vs Rudeus fight was a bit longer... and maybe have some narration on for the fighting moves and what not. Anyways, awesome beastgirl arrives.

[shinta|hikari]

I don't remember this Beast woman from the WN, but then again I just skimmed through the beginning of that and dropped it due to the horrible translations way back when.

[MFauli]

After further discussion with 2 Japanese experts (the N1-guy and someone who's studying it and married to a Japanese woman), we all three agree that the best translation for 寝込みを襲う is probably that 'he forced himself on her'.

Basically, 'rape' is too strong of a choice, because the way it's portrayed doesn't indicate some violent, desperate struggle. But it's also clear that he overstepped some boundaries and is a pushy idiot. So 'forced himself on her' leaves enough ambiguity without letting him off the hook too easily, until the anime reveals more details about it.

That'd be my last posting about it ... until the anime continues that lol

[Buffalobiian]

I had a patient who didn't want to have sex with her husband but he forces it, so she just takes benzos so she knocks herself out and just accepts whatever he ends up doing to her.

I didn't make this shit up.

Putting it out there that not all rape has the victim constantly peeling themselves away from the assailant and yelling "no" the entire way until someone cums.

[Munsu]

I'll have to recheck, but did Roxy do a no-incantation spell? Or was it a camera trick? I don't recall her being able to learn it while she was teaching Rudy.

[MFauli]

I had a patient who didn't want to have sex with her husband but he forces it, so she just takes benzos so she knocks herself out and just accepts whatever he ends up doing to her.

I didn't make this shit up.

Putting it out there that not all rape has the victim constantly peeling themselves away from the assailant and yelling "no" the entire way until someone cums.

How is that even rape when she repeatedly gets herself into that situation?! Rape entails not having a choice.

[shinta|hikari]

I had a patient who didn't want to have sex with her husband but he forces it, so she just takes benzos so she knocks herself out and just accepts whatever he ends up doing to her.

She took the more palatable alternative. The only way for this situation to not be rape is when the sex she doesn't want doesn't happen.

[MFauli]

She took the more palatable alternative. The only way for this situation to not be rape is when the sex she doesn't want doesn't happen.

Which is entirely HER choice, and she chooses to keep doing this, thus it cannot be rape per definition.

[DarthEnderX]

the best translation for 寝込みを襲う is probably that 'he forced himself on her'.

Basically, 'rape' is too strong of a choice

That's...literally what "rape" means.

Nevermind Japanese, how's your English?

[MFauli]

That's...literally what "rape" means.

Nevermind Japanese, how's your English?

How's your english? I can force myself upon you without any sexual context.

[Kraco]

Alright, let's leave it at that. I don't feel like deleting posts anymore in this twilight forum, but the couple of lasts posts are a clear indication nothing constructive is going to come out of that line of discussion anymore.

[Kraco]

Episode 5


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An old VN aficionado, such as the MC in his previous life, surely must know how to appreciate a modern, violent tsundere like Eris.

I have no idea if this or the manga was closer to the novel, but I feel like this arc was more balanced in the manga. Several parts felt kind of abrupt here.

[David75]

I don't remember exactly but I think they cramed more than a manga chapter into that ep.
The journey, meeting Ghislaine, then Philip and Eris felt like a whole chapter. Then the whole false, then becomes real kidnapping incident was another. And they are long and detailed chapters. So of course it feels rushed in a single episode.

At least they did not downplay the violence and blood.

[Munsu]

Don't recall, but agreed probably more balanced in both the LN and Manga, but I didn't mind the pace. Loved the violence, and glad to see more action animated.

Ghislaine is awesome.

[MFauli]

Honestly, the cat lady's speed was TOO absurdly high. That sword was already flying, halfway towards Rudy. She came running from a far bigger distance across the house roofs - HOW could she get inbeteen?! LOL

Imagine the sword takes half a second to travel from its thrower to Rudy (it's probably less time). It was at least about 20 meter between the thrower and Rudy. 20 m in half a second. 40 m per second. That's 144 km/h. But again, the sword was already halfway there when we saw her appear in the distance. It looked really far away, so I'll be generous and only triple the distance between Rudy and the thrower, so let's say 60m between cat lady and Rudy. To reach Rudy in half a second, she needs to make 60 meter per half-second, 120 meters per second. That is 432 km/h. HOWEVER, the sword was halfway there when she appeared, so she get's only a quarter second to match the sword hitting its goal. So 60 meters in 0.25 seconds, 120 meters in 0.5 seconds, 240 meters in one second. That makes 864 km/h. She also doesn't wanna match the sword hitting its goal, she wants to intercept, so she needed to be a little faster actually, so let's round it up generously to 900. 900 km/h. That's how fast she was running AT LEAST. Probably even faster, because imo she was farther away than 60 meters when she first appeared.

I mean ... anime and all. But that just made me lol. They should have had her appear BEFORE the guy threw the sword, would have made it more exciting and less absurd.

Anyway, yes, that was the most pressing issue for me :P

[Munsu]

Honestly, the cat lady's speed was TOO absurdly high. That sword was already flying, halfway towards Rudy. She came running from a far bigger distance across the house roofs - HOW could she get inbeteen?! LOL

Imagine the sword takes half a second to travel from its thrower to Rudy (it's probably less time). It was at least about 20 meter between the thrower and Rudy. 20 m in half a second. 40 m per second. That's 144 km/h. But again, the sword was already halfway there when we saw her appear in the distance. It looked really far away, so I'll be generous and only triple the distance between Rudy and the thrower, so let's say 60m between cat lady and Rudy. To reach Rudy in half a second, she needs to make 60 meter per half-second, 120 meters per second. That is 432 km/h. HOWEVER, the sword was halfway there when she appeared, so she get's only a quarter second to match the sword hitting its goal. So 60 meters in 0.25 seconds, 120 meters in 0.5 seconds, 240 meters in one second. That makes 864 km/h. She also doesn't wanna match the sword hitting its goal, she wants to intercept, so she needed to be a little faster actually, so let's round it up generously to 900. 900 km/h. That's how fast she was running AT LEAST. Probably even faster, because imo she was farther away than 60 meters when she first appeared.

I mean ... anime and all. But that just made me lol. They should have had her appear BEFORE the guy threw the sword, would have made it more exciting and less absurd.

Anyway, yes, that was the most pressing issue for me :P

I don't know about your random calculations and what not, but we're in a fantasy world full of magic and skills, to say nothing on what intrinsic characteristics she may have due to being a beastgirl. She was shown how fast she went right when the firework happened, we also saw when she arrived what the state of things were... all those things considered, yes, she's extremely fast. She also broke (vaporized) the sword as it was, we don't even know if it was a long range skill either.

I mean, you also saw how fast she killed those dudes once she got to the ground, almost like time stopped, and they were quite far off from where she was. I don't spot any inconsistencies.

[MFauli]

I don't know about your random calculations and what not, but we're in a fantasy world full of magic and skills, to say nothing on what intrinsic characteristics she may have due to being a beastgirl. She was shown how fast she went right when the firework happened, we also saw when she arrived what the state of things were... all those things considered, yes, she's extremely fast. She also broke (vaporized) the sword as it was, we don't even know if it was a long range skill either.

I mean, you also saw how fast she killed those dudes once she got to the ground, almost like time stopped, and they were quite far off from where she was. I don't spot any inconsistencies.

First of, no "random calculations". That's how you calculate speed. The values are minimum estimates, so even though there's "random", they're probably even more ridiculous.

Secondly: I just couldn't suspend my disbelief here, because she's most likely not using any magic here, right? She's pure, unfiltered physical prowess. In that context, being that fast just won't get any other reaction than "lol" from me ^^

It's not some major issue, I accept that this is just some shitty isekai anime, so don't worry. I will forget about it soon.

On another topic, it felt kinda good to see that girl being beaten up for her obnoxious attitude.