Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation

[Ryllharu]

Edit: Out of curiosity I took a look at a certain forum and of course: Social justice assholes are condemning the anime and hate it. Guess empathizing with an ugly dude was too much to expect from 'progressive' people. Sigh.

He had a 20-year pure hikkimori phase after quitting high school. Self-admittedly never leaving the room for anything. "Pounded on the wall for food."

It's also not really easy to sympathize with him over what he was doing during the funeral.

I think he made up for it by trying to save the teens from Truck-kun and getting hit himself. Due to the flashbacks, that no doubt took superhuman courage.

If he had continued to creep on Roxy rather than backing away and shutting the door, I think it would be somewhat difficult for me to get past it and not look at him poorly for quite a while.

[MFauli]

He had a 20-year pure hikkimori phase after quitting high school. Self-admittedly never leaving the room for anything. "Pounded on the wall for food."

It's also not really easy to sympathize with him over what he was doing during the funeral.

I think he made up for it by trying to save the teens from Truck-kun and getting hit himself. Due to the flashbacks, that no doubt took superhuman courage.

If he had continued to creep on Roxy rather than backing away and shutting the door, I think it would be somewhat difficult for me to get past it and not look at him poorly for quite a while.

1.) Again, what did he so bad? Not appear at the funeral? He's deathly scared of going outside. Fapping to some hentai anime? So? "It's hard to sympathize with him", counter question: What makes it so easy to hate him? That he's ugly and has a messy room? Seriously?

2.) A guy being attracted by a hot young (bot not too young) girl would have made you think lesser of him?! wtf. This is Waki-Ryllharu, right? Even if you took that as a negative, it's balance by Roxy being a pervert herself, masturbating in front of the employers' bedroom.

People hating this guy just show how un-progressive they really are. For them, empathy is for attractive, cute people, not for ugly guys who get abused by society without anyone caring. And yes, I'm projecting myself here.

[Munsu]

Part of the theme of the series you'll see is the struggle between sympathizing with a character that may be doing his best now, not always achieving it, while finding that he's in many ways very flawed and sick individual. Many of those aspects have been toned down so far, and in fact the dark humor is working much better animated than in other mediums.

Even as the story from WN to LN, etc. has transformed the character a bit... he really was (and maybe is) a shit person. At the same time, he's a person cable of good, so how do you reconcile those aspects will be part of the struggle and interest. His past self vs current self, and how much of his past self which he may want to leave behind creeps back in despite how much he wants to improve himself... career wise and decency wise (to a point).

It's always been a controversial series in part because our MC is not a goody two-shoes, so looking forward how the rest will be handled. So far, so good. And the dude on Animesuki is just focusing on some stupid scene about Roxy about how "it's not normal" that she masturbated there... 2-3 pages of discussing a thing that's not worth discussing. I mean, who the fuck cares if it's a normal thing, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. Whatever, not going to waste giving it more thought than needed. Let the chick act on her sexual frustrations.

[MFauli]

But what makes him a "shit person"?

[Munsu]

But what makes him a "shit person"?

We'll see what direction they go with the anime, we haven't see much indication of it yet... other than being a perv, which isn't much to go on.

[Buffalobiian]

Well the part with porn is easy.

He's pumping to porn while his parents' wake is happening. The fact that he won't step outside is one thing, the fact that he doesn't mourn for them and indulges in pleasure is another. This assumes that he knew they died. Realistically speaking, he should have known. No one's going to keep him out of the loop when your housemates/parents die.

[Ryllharu]

It's worth noting that Japan is internationally notorious for having incredibly bad, or essentially non-existent, mental health care for a G-7 nation. Their government has gotten so embarrassed about it that they're finally working to fix it.

There's a reason I said it reminded me of Scrapped Princess and Maouyuu. Those are both full of flawed people.

[shinta|hikari]

False.

The reason mental healthcare isn't a focus in Japan is because practically no Japanese person gets mentally ill.
/s

[Ryllharu]

Just like every criminal is so ridden with guilt they willingly confess their crimes and their prosecutors have a 99.9% conviction rate.

[KrayZ33]

*me after watching episode 2*


"This is great."




every single aspect and scene, even the ecchi stuff had meaning.

Anime of the year of all years - so far - and if it keeps up like this it's truely going to be.

[MFauli]

Well the part with porn is easy.

He's pumping to porn while his parents' wake is happening. The fact that he won't step outside is one thing, the fact that he doesn't mourn for them and indulges in pleasure is another. This assumes that he knew they died. Realistically speaking, he should have known. No one's going to keep him out of the loop when your housemates/parents die.

Why does that make him a bad person? You realize that not all pareny-child relationships are good ones? That a lot of children rightfully hate their parents?

I still don't see what makes him a 'shit person', other than shallowy judging his appearance.

[DarthEnderX]

1.) Again, what did he so bad? Not appear at the funeral? He's deathly scared of going outside. Fapping to some hentai anime? So? "It's hard to sympathize with him", counter question: What makes it so easy to hate him? That he's ugly and has a messy room? Seriously?

From the context, it seemed like he literally skipped his parent's funeral so he could stay home and jerk off.

Even if you took that as a negative, it's balance by Roxy being a pervert herself, masturbating in front of the employers' bedroom.

I will give you that one. If he's a creep for spying on her, she's also a creep for spying on them.

Why does that make him a bad person? You realize that not all pareny-child relationships are good ones? That a lot of children rightfully hate their parents?

Which is fine if the parents are shitty. But they already showed us that they weren't(telling him to "Do his best!" and getting nothing but an angry wall pounding in response). Which means if their relationship is shitty, it's because he's shitty.

And yes, I'm projecting myself here.

Whuuuuuaaaat?! I never would have guessed!

I look like that guy too. But I don't take that as an excuse to act like a dirtbag.

"Well, I look like a scumbag. So I should just be able to act like a scumbag and people shouldn't judge me for it!"

[MFauli]

From the context, it seemed like he literally skipped his parent's funeral so he could stay home and jerk off.

I will give you that one. If he's a creep for spying on her, she's also a creep for spying on them.

Which is fine if the parents are shitty. But they already showed us that they weren't(telling him to "Do his best!" and getting nothing but an angry wall pounding in response). Which means if their relationship is shitty, it's because he's shitty.

Whuuuuuaaaat?! I never would have guessed!

I look like that guy too. But I don't take that as an excuse to act like a dirtbag.

"Well, I look like a scumbag. So I should just be able to act like a scumbag and people shouldn't judge me for it!"

The parents saying 'ganbatte' doesnt tell us anything. Maybe (likely) his parents were completely negligent of his hardships at school or actively ignored it, and just kept up a happy facade because it was the least conspicuous choice for them.

And if he had such a distant, broken relationship with them, why would he go the funeral?

I still don't see what makes him a shit person or a scumbag. He's a loser, but not (entirely?) by his own fault. Even when he saw Roxy masturbating, it happened by accident. The other time he tried to spy on her room, she noticed and told him she's gonna hit him next time and it was a fun scene.

You see, I realize that quite some people call him a shit person. But I have the strong assumption that it's mostly because he's ugly. Seeing such shallow hate come from self-proclaime 'progressive' communities is really frustrating and unjust.

[KrayZ33]

Why does that make him a bad person? You realize that not all pareny-child relationships are good ones? That a lot of children rightfully hate their parents?

I still don't see what makes him a 'shit person', other than shallowy judging his appearance.

He's obviously not a complete dogshit character (he rescued high school kids from death apparently). But not attending his parents funeral and watching porn instead does make him a shitty person in that moment.

Which is the only thing we can take from that.

[DarthEnderX]

What Kray said. It's the funeral thing. Everything else was incidental. But that act paints a pretty vile picture.

The parents saying 'ganbatte' doesnt tell us anything. Maybe (likely) his parents were completely negligent of his hardships at school or actively ignored it, and just kept up a happy facade because it was the least conspicuous choice for them.

And also, maybe they were actually Gundams!

Or maybe his parents were exactly the way they were presented, and as usual you're just looking for reasons to justify characters being shitty.

Seeing such shallow hate come from self-proclaime 'progressive' communities is really frustrating and unjust.

I mean, at this point, you know what the issue is. You've admitted it.

You see yourself in these characters, so anytime they point out when they're being shitty, you feel like you have to excuse and justify it, because otherwise, you'd have to admit to yourself that you might actually be shitty.

And it's always just the "SJW progressives whining again!" And it never occurs to you that maybe the behavior is actually wrong. Because that would make you wrong.

[shinta|hikari]

When your parents reaction to you being stripped naked and shamed by a group of people is "gambatte", it's the parents' fault.

[DarthEnderX]

When your parents reaction to you being stripped naked and shamed by a group of people is "gambatte", it's the parents' fault.

I got the impression that the "gambatte" scene happened much later than the school bullying. Like he'd been a shutin for years at that point.

He was 34 when he died, so that shit happened, like 15-20 years ago at that point.

[MFauli]

I got the impression that the "gambatte" scene happened much later than the school bullying. Like he'd been a shutin for years at that point.

He was 34 when he died, so that shit happened, like 15-20 years ago at that point.

And his parents gave a shit about what happened to him.

Sorry, but calling him a shit person just based on him not attending a funeral only shows how sheltered you grew up. Again, pareny-child relationships aren't always good, they're often really shitty even. If my relationship to my dad got any worse than it is, I might do the same, just fyi. Doesnt make me a ahit person. Just tells you that my dad would have been a shit dad.

[KrayZ33]

I don't understand why we don't take the scenes for how they are portrayed.

We don't know what the parents did.
We know that the parents tried something (the scene when they tried to talk with him), we know that they fed him and bought him games and toys and all he needed. We know that he didn't want to talk about it.
They went along with it for ~15+ years.
When his younger brother(?) came to his room after the funeral, it was actually *MC* who attacked first, obviouly he himself knew what was going on and why they are here, but honestly? The fact that he attacked first in conjunction with the scene where he bumped the wall with his fist real hard made me think that this is how he acted around when his parents tried to do something too. You know, as if he'd funnel his anger towards the wrong person in a heartbeat if he could make himself feel less bad in this situation.

He watched porn instead of having the decency to go to the funeral of his father who took care of him for 34 years.
Even if they failed to handle this situation correctly, we can't say anything about them being "bad" parents, only the opposite.

Ifs and buts go both ways. What IF they actually did something. What IF they were actually nice. What IF they actually went to the police but they didn't do anything. What IF they contacted the school but they didn't do anything. What IF they tried to talk him into going to a different school but his anxiety kept him from going out.

We saw him being a shitty person. That's just it. And we are actually supposed to believe that - which is why we actually believe it.
The more subtle things start to tell us that he actually *isn't* or that he has redeeming qualities.
The more subtle things also show us that he himself knows that he did things wrong in his previous life and that there are regrets.
And at the same time, that doesn't turn the parents into the bad guys. Rofl.

[MFauli]

I don't understand why we don't take the scenes for how they are portrayed.

We don't know what the parents did.
We know that the parents tried something (the scene when they tried to talk with him), we know that they fed him and bought him games and toys and all he needed. We know that he didn't want to talk about it.
They went along with it for ~15+ years.
When his younger brother(?) came to his room after the funeral, it was actually *MC* who attacked first, obviouly he himself knew what was going on and why they are here, but honestly? The fact that he attacked first in conjunction with the scene where he bumped the wall with his fist real hard made me think that this is how he acted around when his parents tried to do something too. You know, as if he'd funnel his anger towards the wrong person in a heartbeat if he could make himself feel less bad in this situation.

He watched porn instead of having the decency to go to the funeral of his father who took care of him for 34 years.
Even if they failed to handle this situation correctly, we can't say anything about them being "bad" parents, only the opposite.

Ifs and buts go both ways. What IF they actually did something. What IF they were actually nice. What IF they actually went to the police but they didn't do anything. What IF they contacted the school but they didn't do anything. What IF they tried to talk him into going to a different school but his anxiety kept him from going out.

We saw him being a shitty person. That's just it. And we are actually supposed to believe that - which is why we actually believe it.
The more subtle things start to tell us that he actually *isn't* or that he has redeeming qualities.
The more subtle things also show us that he himself knows that he did things wrong in his previous life and that there are regrets.
And at the same time, that doesn't turn the parents into the bad guys. Rofl.

When my parents 'tried something/talk to me', it'd amount to ignoring what truly worries me, making fun of my ideas, and demanding things that'd only further my misery. The only reason why they gave me shelter and food was because 'what would the neighbors think ...!'.

You're interpreting things in the most convenient way for everyone BUT him. Reminder that I never said he was a good person, just that there's nothing showing him as a shit person, either.