Redo of Healer: Kaifuku Jutsushi no Yarinaoshi

[Kraco]

Yeah, this isn't trying to make any political statements or show a middle finger at the censorship proponents. This is a simply edgelord revenge fantasy. You might even say it's a coincidence women get raped; for the revenge to really hit home, the opponent needs to be a human (or at least something that once was a human). Revenge is plentiful among the various themes of fiction, has been since the birth of fiction. This is merely taking it a step higher with the edgelord stuff. Funnily enough among rape fantasy stuff this is actually tame because a justification was given for the rape. In pure rape fantasy the rape would simply happen for no higher reason (if you can call it that), like it usually happens in RL, aside from wars and terrorism, where it's used as a weapon.

I switched to watching uncensored releases (Rom & Rem). I don't like artifical looking censoring. Either cut the scene away entirely, exchange it for something else, or show it. Don't paint half of the screen black or do something else stupid.

[Munsu]

Yeah, this isn't trying to make any political statements or show a middle finger at the censorship proponents. This is a simply edgelord revenge fantasy. You might even say it's a coincidence women get raped; for the revenge to really hit home, the opponent needs to be a human (or at least something that once was a human). Revenge is plentiful among the various themes of fiction, has been since the birth of fiction. This is merely taking it a step higher with the edgelord stuff. Funnily enough among rape fantasy stuff this is actually tame because a justification was given for the rape. In pure rape fantasy the rape would simply happen for no higher reason (if you can call it that), like it usually happens in RL, aside from wars and terrorism, where it's used as a weapon.

I switched to watching uncensored releases (Rom & Rem). I don't like artifical looking censoring. Either cut the scene away entirely, exchange it for something else, or show it. Don't paint half of the screen black or do something else stupid.

Wasn't aware there was an uncensored version.

[MFauli]

Yeah, this isn't trying to make any political statements or show a middle finger at the censorship proponents. This is a simply edgelord revenge fantasy.

The show itself isn't. *That* it exists in this day and age, is.

[shinta|hikari]

Wasn't aware there was an uncensored version.

There is. The finger breaking scene was better there.

[KrayZ33]

The show itself isn't. *That* it exists in this day and age, is.

I wouldn't say so.
This is just porn. And this plot is common in hentai and stuff (much worse there actually), so I don't even see this as something "new".
It's just a matter of whether someone wants to show/stream porn (doesn't matter if it's hardcore/soft or some rape fetish) or not.

This show isn't just showing rape either. It's glorifying and justifying it. It's a joke actually and if you give it more credit than it deserves, it's not only wrong, but also disturbing and dangerous - so lets just not do that..
Rape isn't even truely a plot or a real story element here. It's basically just the goal to show it.

[MFauli]

I wouldn't say so.
This is just porn. And this plot is common in hentai and stuff (much worse there actually), so I don't even see this as something "new".
It's just a matter of whether someone wants to show/stream porn (doesn't matter if it's hardcore/soft or some rape fetish) or not.

This show isn't just showing rape either. It's glorifying and justifying it. It's a joke actually and if you give it more credit than it deserves, it's not only wrong, but also disturbing and dangerous - so lets just not do that..
Rape isn't even truely a plot or a real story element here. It's basically just the goal to show it.

So if he was killing torturing and killing her, but NOT raping, then it'd be a regular anime. But rape makes it porn?

Ok

[KrayZ33]

So if he was killing torturing and killing her, but NOT raping, then it'd be a regular anime. But rape makes it porn?

Ok

Your "argument" falls flat so hard.

He's doing all of it. Not just raping.
The raping however is clearly portrayed and used in a way to make it not as bad though.
He rapes them and then the character he rapes start to *love* him due to "mind magicks".

You know how silly this is?

He got "special powers" so he can rape others better and to make it possible in the first place

You understand how silly this is?

The anime justifies rape and torture because this has happened to him, implying "it's fine to do so because shit has happened to you, get your revenge buddy!"

You get how silly this is?

So yeah, it's porn.

If they would focus on killing for the revenge story, it would be an action thriller.
Like John Wick, or Equalizer. In these movies, MC is actually still an outlaw and perceived as such in the world they live in, and most of all, they don't *gain* anything from it - they suffer *because* of it.
In this show, he isn't. He gets rewarded for it AND the world celebrates him, not just the world the victims too actually.

On top of that, this show is actively putting the main villains as women, that's a thought worth thinking about too, just so that he can build a harem of mind-erased drones he can keep violating whenever he wants. For some reason, there is no male character in his harem. They just die.
Weird isn't it?

Well, not really, as this is mostly hetero porn. So obviously they want to show hetero sex.

[MFauli]

You understand how silly this is?

It's an anime.

There are countless anime where murder is justified by having loved ones murdered, to mention a popular mainstream one: Naruto (Itachi and Sasuke). But being raped and then dishing out rape against others is silly? wat

Special powers, revenge, satisfying scenes - none of these are any sillier than they are in other anime without rape.

You're the prime example of someone who I wrote this article for two days ago: https://outrageousfacts.wordpress.co...on-a-pedestal/

Rape isn't special. And rape doesn't make it porn. As someone who has watched his fair share of actual hentai, Redo of Healer would be pretty bad at being porn, because the sex scenes are way too short for that. The anime is hot trash, I won't say that it itself is a masterpiece or anything. But it's not porn. It shows the revenge in full detail and that is what the story has always been about: revenge

Again: If the revenge didn't include rape, but instead minutes of detailed torture and murder, you wouldn't complain. You'd call it a horror thriller or whatever. But some rape makes it porn. That's actually quite a fucked up train of thought for other reasons, lol.

I've never seen a mainstream anime dish out proper revenge against female villains in the way Redo of Healer does, so I'm glad it exists. It's what I hated about Shield Hero, when Melty got off way too easily. And you also go full-sjw and call it misogynistic. Afaik he will take revenge against the entire group that abused him, which includes men, too. He doesn't hate all women, he hates those SPECIFIC women that did crimes against him. It's ridiculous to call this misogynistic.

[Kraco]

The show itself isn't. *That* it exists in this day and age, is.

No, not really. These series are based on light novels, which often are based on web novels, basically self-publications, meaning, there's no limit to them. I reckon in Japan, with it's society constructed to be highly competitive yet uniform at the same time, there's strong demand for edgelord and revenge fantasies. After all, traditionally in Japan a bullied person isn't helped by the society, instead the bullying victim is blamed for getting bullied and told to deal with it. Bullying isn't traumatic only for the targets but also for some of the onlookers if they happen to be empathetic people or if they fear they will be the next victims. It's not hard to see how there's a continuous stream of new customers for revenge fantasies.

The anime justifies rape and torture because this has happened to him, implying "it's fine to do so because shit has happened to you, get your revenge buddy!"

You get how silly this is?

In this show, he isn't. He gets rewarded for it AND the world celebrates him, not just the world the victims too actually.

How exactly is it silly? The oldest form of justice in the world was revenge, either by the victim or by their relatives. In fact it's still so in some unfortunate parts of the world. In most of the world the revenge was simply institutionalised. However, in lots of cases it still depends on the victim, or the victim's family, to report the offense and/or sue the offender.

World celebrates him? Where exactly did you get that from? Dude's automatically a fugitive. Why did you think he waited until the king is away, prepared a double by mutating the knight, and then sneaked out, altering his own looks and name (though the alias is as stupid as in these stories normally). He's on the run. The whole kingdom is basically his enemy right now. Just like if you killed a person who had assaulted you previously, you'd be hunted by the law enforcement of your country. This dude attacked the very government of the country.

I don't know why you are calling this porn, though. Sex, so far, has been nothing but acts of violence in the story. Furthermore, you could remove those scenes, wholly or partially, and little would change. With real porn, you would have the customer calling you angrily and demanding their money back if you removed sex scenes. This is an edgelord revenge fantasy. Rape is a part of it, just like maiming and killing.

[KrayZ33]

How exactly is it silly? The oldest form of justice in the world was revenge, either by the victim or by their relatives. In fact it's still so in some unfortunate parts of the world. In most of the world the revenge was simply institutionalised. However, in lots of cases it still depends on the victim, or the victim's family, to report the offense and/or sue the offender.

how does that matter in the slightest?
Do you think John Wick is somehow an "important movie"?
Reminder: this is what that statment is referring to:

The show itself isn't. *That* it exists in this day and age, is.

No - it's just a silly form of justification.
Just like the killing spree of John Wick used a silly justification.

World celebrates him? Where exactly did you get that from? Dude's automatically a fugitive. Why did you think he waited until the king is away, prepared a double by mutating the knight, and then sneaked out, altering his own looks and name (though the alias is as stupid as in these stories normally). He's on the run. The whole kingdom is basically his enemy right now. Just like if you killed a person who had assaulted you previously, you'd be hunted by the law enforcement of your country. This dude attacked the very government of the country.

Except for the victims, am I right? When we talk about this, it doesn't really help if you (guys) only know what happens in the first 2 episodes. The Kingdom is evil. Even the demons are less evil than them. A character that is looking to make the kingdom a better place and one of the few truely innocent characters in this show, is more or less willingly going along with his party.
And everyone knows who it is going to be and it was pretty obvious in the first episode anyway.

I don't know why you are calling this porn, though. Sex, so far, has been nothing but acts of violence in the story. Furthermore, you could remove those scenes, wholly or partially, and little would change. With real porn, you would have the customer calling you angrily and demanding their money back if you removed sex scenes. This is an edgelord revenge fantasy. Rape is a part of it, just like maiming and killing.

And because sex is used for acts of violence, this can't be porn??
What is hentai to you?
This is certainly not "dark fantasy", which is what you are implying, this is just revenge porn. There is a reason why there is rape and why it's actually shown, there is also a reason why the victums "enjoy" it.
However, the reason is certainly not plot driven. As you are already saying yourself.

So if it's not shown for plot, why else but for porn?

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.p...GratuitousRape


@Mfauli

Again: If the revenge didn't include rape, but instead minutes of detailed torture and murder, you wouldn't complain. You'd call it a horror thriller or whatever. But some rape makes it porn. That's actually quite a fucked up train of thought for other reasons, lol.

No. You don't understand this in the slightest. And it's also why your blogpost is the most cringe thing I've read in a while, because you completely fail to actually see the problem with this topic.
The rape and porn is there for the sake of porn. You still live in a world where you think rape is a rare occurence in media, when it's actually not that rare, even less so in animated form.
It has nothing to do with there being rape, it has to do with how rape is being shown here.
You talk about how rape can be used as a plot element and all that shit, when this show doesn't do jackshit to make it a relevant plot element.

Remember that one show where a guy got killed and reincarnated as his child version? And they had to find the child-killer? And the child-killer turned out to be their teacher?
That's how you portray murder not for the sake of violence, but for the sake of a proper story and plot.

This show has absolutely *none* of that. No more than your generic hentai anime porn at least.
That means it's also not worth more than your generic anime porn no. 21315
The whole "revenge" plot is basically pointless when he erases their minds and fucks them silly and they start to enjoy it.
It's so dumb and silly and when people can't see that, I'm sorry for them and the fact that they don't realize how stupid they act and behave.

You are fighting for rape as a form of "art" or "expression" or whatever (as in "this is a portrayal of a realistic horrible scenario"), when this show does give a shit about it and laughs in your face and just wants to pleasure you with porn-scenarios.

It's like I'd be saying how important the 128 deaths in John Wick 2 are when the movie and story could just have worked as well with ~10.

[MFauli]

how does that matter in the slightest?
Do you think John Wick is somehow an "important movie"?
Reminder: this is what that statment is referring to:


No - it's just a silly form of justification.
Just like the killing spree of John Wick is a silly justification.








And because sex is used for acts of violence, this can't be porn??
What is hentai to you?

Kraco, if Redo of Healer is porn for you, you're the quickest quickshot in the history of quickshots.

Sorry :P

[Ryllharu]

Himekishi ga Classmate does it better, and it isn't very good either.

[Kraco]

What is hentai to you?

In this context, it's animated porn. It has been published as porn, by porn producers, distributed and marketed by those who usually distribute porn. As far as anime goes, the voice actors are also from partially different pools between regular anime and porn anime (hentai), plus those VAs that appear in both, often use a different name in porn credits.

This is certainly not "dark fantasy", which is what you are implying, this is just revenge porn. There is a reason why there is rape and why it's actually shown, there is also a reason why the victums "enjoy" it.
However, the reason is certainly not plot driven. As you are already saying yourself.

Yeah, I'm starting to understand that any work of fiction that has one or more scenes of sufficiently explicit sex depicted is porn for you.

Kraco, if Redo of Healer is porn for you, you're the quickest quickshot in the history of quickshots.

Sorry :P

Why are you quoting KrayZ33's post, yet addressing me? Especially when I said this isn't porn.

[KrayZ33]

Yeah, I'm starting to understand that any work of fiction that has one or more scenes of sufficiently explicit sex depicted is porn for you.
.

Yeah... I'm starting to understand you completely misunderstand what I'm saying.

When a show shows sex scenes that mean literally nothing and are there for the portrayal of naked body parts alone, then they are no different from a scene in a porn movie.
You saying that this rape stuff could've been left out completely is the perfect proof that this is nothing but porn.
The story around these scenes and what he does to these girls afterwards are completely nonsensical and actually conflict with the whole idea of the revenge story too. Even more proof that it's just there for the sake of porn and/or sexual content.

It doesn't matter if it's consensual or rape. It can be porn either way, which is why I asked (and the part you quoted here) what hentai is to you. Since probably more than 50% of hentai is not consensual but blackmail and rape.

This show uses these sexual acts with his "party" to arouse the viewer. "Ohoho look how he got her good and made her his sex slave, yeaahhhh boiiii"
That's by *definition* porn, look it up on wiki or something, but I hope that's not necessary? It's not about what I think about it or how often this happens.
Since the whole idea of this show is him getting control of certain women and making them his sex slaves we can hardly depict this show as anything else. It's this shows major selling point for sure and it actively morphs it's story around it so it can be the major selling point. There is absolutely no doubt about it.
Just to mention it again: What a coincidence that the major targets of his revenge are all (or mostly) female , the rest (even the male targets), he just kills in an instant, even though *everyone* raped him.

[MFauli]

@Kraco: Because I cannot read and Kray and Kraco is the same for me. Obviously!!1 :i

When a show shows sex scenes that mean literally nothing and are there for the portrayal of naked body parts alone, then they are no different from a scene in a porn movie.

Good that we can agree then that Redo is not porn, because its sex scenes "mean something". They're his revenge against the evil cunt that abused him for a long time. And because revenge is the theme of the series, it is shown in full detail. I don't know why that can be meaningless to anyone.

[KrayZ33]

If you say so

[Kraco]

Sure, you could say those scenes may be porn since they are videos of sex in a product of entertainment industry. However, it doesn't mean the whole work is porn. There are a lot of live action movies with sex scenes as a part of the character development, that is, as a part of the plot/story. It doesn't make them porn. I could bet a whole lot on Academy Award winners having some movies with sex scenes, though hopefully more tasteful than in this series. They could also be removed with not too much effect, some entirely, some by bypassing them otherwise if they are relevant to the plot later.

For biological reasons humans enjoy watching sex and beautiful/handsome members of the opposite/same gender naked, depending on the orientation of the individual viewer. That's why anime, in general, in so full of fanservice even if it doesn't most of the time make it to the intercourse level.

Sure, in this series a lot of the sex is there for the sake of attracting an audience wanting to see it, but that pretty much applies to everything. Many movies want to have a famous actor because lots of people will at least consider watching the movie because of it. This work is geared toward an audience that is attracted by sex scenes. It still doesn't make this porn, though. Porn is a category of its own. You don't just throw stuff into it because you feel like it. I'm sure you know how the shounen/shoujo/josei/seinen classifications work? It's all based on the publisher of the work. Like I said before, porn is something that was made to be porn, specifically. It won't be aired/streamed by regular services. Some might say, and indeed have said, that this is too close to porn, which is a fair and understandable statement, but calling this actual porn is factually incorrect.

[KrayZ33]

I'm not calling this show porn - as in "this show should only air on pornhub"

I'm saying this story is just porn and most of the rape scenes, where MC is involved as the culprit, are too.

So not sure why we compare this to other movies that are clearly not about MC getting his way with the ladies by mindbending and brainwashing his targets.

The fact that it isn't actual porn but has a porn plot and porn story and porn-storytelling is the actual problem and why this show was taken from a German streaming site.
If it actually were porn, it would be much less of an issue. (It would probably not air then too, but for other reasons).

[MFauli]

The fact that it isn't actual porn but has a porn plot and porn story and porn-storytelling is the actual problem and why this show was taken from a German streaming site.
If it actually were porn, it would be much less of an issue. (It would probably not air then too, but for other reasons).

Nah, that is not true. It was removed from Simulcast because the streaming service found it too controversial because of the rape. A ridiculous reason, but that's it. Not because they deemed it as porn.

[Kraco]

The fact that it isn't actual porn but has a porn plot and porn story and porn-storytelling is the actual problem and why this show was taken from a German streaming site.
If it actually were porn, it would be much less of an issue. (It would probably not air then too, but for other reasons).

I feel like we understand each other sufficiently at this point. Although for me personally this would be unsatisfactory as porn, but then again, I'm not interested in rape porn in general. With that mindset, I can just watch through the rape scenes as presentations of the violence the dude uses for revenge.

I feel like you spent too much effort in judging this series, though. This is like the very definition of garbage fantasy, so does it really matter if under different circumstances this could be released as porn and nobody would think twice about it? The one and only saving grace is that the MC isn't a total loser (loser like, always at other people's mercy, never making his own decision, with no ambition of his own, etc), now that he's living his second life. Of course this wouldn't be an edgelord series if he wasn't fighting the power all on his own, at least in the beginning.