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    Don't get me wrong: It's okay to elaborate on the villain side, show us what they do. But when they're shown as silly goofers, that's what I can't stand. It reminds me of Bleach, in the worst way.

    If villains are being shown as "nice", then it goes counter to their entire being, like, WHY ARE YOU MURDERING PEOPLE IF YOU'RE SO NICE?!?

    "She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    If villains are being shown as "nice", then it goes counter to their entire being, like, WHY ARE YOU MURDERING PEOPLE IF YOU'RE SO NICE?!?
    Because they're bigots. They're only nice to their own people.

    You act like that's weird, or even not totally realistic.

    The real world is full of people who are like "I love hanging out with my own people!

    But those other people...they're scum, and the world would be better off without them..."


    It's like the entire basis for bigotry. And bigotry is the core of the villain's motivation in JJK. "Humans are vermin that deserve to be exterminated."

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    But why must WE see that, Darth?

    You might say "to see how fucked up they are", but that's not true. They're depicted way too friendly for that. No, the real reason is that the author "likes" his villains and doesn't want to kill them. That's why the keep getting away. That's why they're having innocent fun when they're not out killing people. It's that. Bleach did the same shit. Boku no Hero, too. And I hate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    But why must WE see that, Darth?

    You might say "to see how fucked up they are", but that's not true. They're depicted way too friendly for that. No, the real reason is that the author "likes" his villains and doesn't want to kill them. That's why the keep getting away. That's why they're having innocent fun when they're not out killing people.
    *shrug* I like having greater context into characters' lives.

    Cause villains ARE characters, like it or not. We aren't dealing with Foot Clan robots here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFauli View Post
    No, the real reason is that the author "likes" his villains and doesn't want to kill them. That's why the keep getting away. That's why they're having innocent fun when they're not out killing people. It's that.
    That is pure speculation. One could argue the author fleshes out the villains and/or allows them to escape justice to keep tension present in the story or because it is a lot of work making and establishing new characters (not to mention the extra time spent in the story itself), so why not get some mileage out of them instead of just killing them off or having them be captured and no longer affect the plot? They got a good fan response? There are plenty of good reasons an author might keep a workhorse antagonist around; not simply because they have accidentally brainwashed themselves into the villain's ideology and like them better than their protagonist. Surely you agree that can be a possibility?

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    While I understand the author's idea of expanding villain backstories, I just kinda want them dead and then move on to the next baddie.
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    I personally quite like when the final boss has been in the story since the beginning, or near the beginning. It irks me when some stories introduce the final big bad in the final few episodes of a series - where the fuck were you prior to this? Gundam shows in particular piss me off when they do this.

    Very long running series are a bit different. It'd be weird if Buu was sitting around during the Vegeta/Nappa arc.

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    WHEN THE FUCK IS THIS SHOW COMING BACK?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    Very long running series are a bit different. It'd be weird if Buu was sitting around during the Vegeta/Nappa arc.
    It's kinda hard to do when the author hasn't even conceived of the final villain, because they have no idea what the final arc is going to be.

    Contrast that to, say, One Piece. Where, it may have taken a while to introduce Blackbeard(or ages to introduce Imu), but you get the impression that Oda always intended for(at least one of them) to be there at the end.

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    Episode 30

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    That homage to Evangelion goes as far as to use a similar drum motif as his theme. Nice.

    It doesn't sound like he's losing out from his abilities just because they fixed his body though. That's pretty OP if he survives - being able to control any puppet from all of Japan.

    On the other hand, if he no longer produces any cursed energy and can only use the remaining 17 years (or less) worth that he's built up then that'd be pretty interesting and balanced.

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    He goin' die. Traitors always do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neflight86 View Post
    He goin' die. Traitors always do.
    Miwa flashing in front of his eyes was the death flag for me.

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    Episode 31

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    The feels hit a bit because Miwa's such a nice girl. The scene where she talked to Mechamaru's puppet and flash to his larger puppet's "corpse" was well done. That said, we didn't see a full corpse of Mechamaru's body proper, but the white spirit guy doesn't seem like the type to leave them alive either. After they both did a fakeout on each other, he'd be even more dead set on making sure Mechamaru's dead.

    As for the second half of the episode, the old Zen'in head is called "Special Grade 1", but not "Special Grade". So there's another incremental step around Grade 1 (Semi-Grade 1, Grade 1, Special Grade 1, Special Grade"

    Edit: the giant middle finger attack. Lol
    Last edited by Buffalobiian; Fri, 09-08-2023 at 06:18 AM.

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    I'll give benefit of the doubt due to the length of (real) time since we've seen those characters and assume there was any on memorable interactions or relationship hinted at between those two before shoehorning in Mechamaru's farewell/death scene. Otherwise, yes, that scene was nice mostly due to Miwa.

    If I'm remembering correctly how domains work, I hate the concept as applied in JJK. Simply: "If you're in my domain, I win and my attacks ill always hit you unless you have a 'bigger' domain or some other mcguffin the author had to retcon in (simple domain) to make the fight appear interesting." I'd love to be remembering it wrong, but that is supremely unsatisfying and a lazy way to 'normalize' conceptual powers without putting thought into how they might interact... but on the other hand, if you don't apply a baseline for outlandish abilities you run the risk of jojo fights where everything is unpredictable and whatever may come feels arbitrary as well...

    The double edged sword of having strange powers is that they are inherently interesting, but a pain to make interact without being 'cheap'.

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    Episode 33

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    That was a pretty intense episode. Good stuff.

    The maths didn't make sense to me initially, but now it does. He activated the domain for 0.2s, which made everyone catatonic. He spent the next 299 seconds killing while risking the S-class spirits waking up.

    But he only needed to "feel" like a minute had passed in order for the technique to activate? That's a little liberal.

    I thought Mechamaru died for real. That's a bit of a shame. But as they say, if you don't see the body they ain't dead.

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    Nice twist that the villain who's backstory they built up wasn't really the villain.

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    When was he shown getting killed, or Goto not attending the burial/creamation? I just watched the movie, so I don't think it was during that, even though they mentioned its protag. Feelin a little confused, here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobiian View Post
    I thought Mechamaru died for real. That's a bit of a shame. But as they say, if you don't see the body they ain't dead.
    What do you mean? Was he shown alive?

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    The voice at the end is Mechamaru.

    Geto died, but some curse replaced his brain. Satoru, like a shounen dumbass "genius" just left his body there, instead of torching it or whatever.
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    Thanks. Did they ever show his death in the show or movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neflight86 View Post
    Thanks. Did they ever show his death in the show or movie?
    Gojo killed him at the end of the movie. Though it doesn't show the actual death.
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    In this episode it mentioned that Gojo left the disposal of the body to Shouko, so while he didn't just leave it on the street without a care, he also didn't personally make sure it was destroyed.

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