Jujutsu Kaisen

[Buffalobiian]

Episode 28

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Geto suffered from burnout, and the primary reason is that his technique is actually unpleasant to use. Gojo fixed his with reverse curse technique so now he gets no brain fry. If the opposite happened such that Geto managed to make his curses taste good (and enjoy his job) while Gojo didn't fix his brain drain (such that increasing work is taxing for him), they could have easily arrived at each other's mindsets. Gojo was already undisciplined. Geto wouldn't be any stronger, but he'd think it'd be viable to work harder than to kill every non-sorcerer.

[DarthEnderX]

I really don't think overwork was the primary motivation for Geto's turn.


Anyway, I watched the movie recently, and this arc pretty much leads directly into it.

[Buffalobiian]

Overwork was totally the cause. He felt tired and his work was unpleasant since it felt like swallowing shit all day. He's also working solo so enjoying time with colleagues is also not a thing anymore for him.

Contrast this with the junior who he was talking to - that guy gets assignments as well, but he's happy to help out. Geto's sick of this shit. Yuki then tells him that there's a way out, which he sees as being completely viable. The mistreatment of the kids in the village was the straw that broke the camel's back.

If Geto orgasms every time he eats a curse I doubt he'd feel anywhere near as bitter about all this and would happily continue to work.

[DarthEnderX]

Straight up disagree. It's just silly to think if curses tasted good, he'd just be totally okay with the fact that all the humans he meets are pieces of shit and all his friends keep dying to save them.

[Buffalobiian]

Not all humans he meets are shit, but his experience clouds that since all jobs for him are shit - just more or less.

His friends are dying because they're not strong enough. Nanami asks whether they could just leave it to Gojo - but that question can be extended to all the S class as well. Geto is strong enough that he's rarely in mortal danger - hence the school has him working alone. They could also just leave it to him as well.

Geto would not be "totally okay" with the fact that his colleagues are dying. He'd find the situation acceptable enough that he would feel he could work harder (or just continue working) while he lets Yuki find another solution (like waiting for another Heavenly Pact candidate to show up and be studied). He'd find killing humans morally wrong because he'd be able to hold out until a solution avails itself.

[DarthEnderX]

Geto would not be "totally okay" with the fact that his colleagues are dying. He'd find the situation acceptable enough that he would feel he could work harder (or just continue working) while he lets Yuki find another solution (like waiting for another Heavenly Pact candidate to show up and be studied). He'd find killing humans morally wrong because he'd be able to hold out until a solution avails itself.

Disagree.

"I'm gonna exterminate 99% of all people."

"...he's just overtired."

Ridiculous.

[Buffalobiian]

"I'm going with the easiest method of eliminating new curses because I don't think we can continue this marathon"

[Buffalobiian]

MAPPA is taking a three-week-long break to prep for the upcoming arc. Luckily, after this, the series will resume to air on a weekly basis.

Although the Shibuya Incident arc is supposed to debut on 10 August, it will only broadcast a recap of the Hidden Inventory/Premature Death arc. On 17 August, there will be a recap of Season 1 and the prequel movie. Lastly, there won’t be any broadcast on 24 August due to other programming.

Therefore, the Shibuya Incident arc will make its debut in Jujutsu Kaisen Season 2 Episode 6, which will air on 31 August. The arc will run for 18 episodes, covering the 58 chapters of the manga.

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[MFauli]

Finished season 1.

I really must say this is one of the more overhyped anime. No idea why it's so popular. My main criticism is:

1.) The story feels rushed. It often makes sudden jumps between episode, making me feel like I missed a whole episode. It also doesn't take time to properly build up and end scenes, like, they spent half an episode on a baseball match and then suddenly the big inter-school tournament was finished. ok.

2.) The characters are all so bland. Not bad. But bland. Like, I feel what the author was going for, but instead of, again, taking the time to build them up, they're being treated as if you're supposed to know them.

3.) Villains being portrayed in sympathetic manner. Not only do the curses manage to escape again and again, but also do we see them in their villain hideout, hanging around like friends. Idon't care one shit about their "friendship" when we just went from them committing gruesome massmurders.

4.) The power scale is completely fucked up. The first mission is an s-rank. And then they keep running into s-ranks. What's the lower ranks for? So that a video game can be made, featuring a lot of low-rank grind? :/

The animation is quite good and for all my complaints, it was an easy watch, I didn't have to force myself to keep watching, so that's that. From what I've heard, the movie Jujutsu Kaisen 0 is a must-watch before proceeding with season 2, so I'll do that.

[Buffalobiian]

I see you don't like antagonists doing non-evil things.

[shinta|hikari]

He can't relate to them that way.

[DarthEnderX]

I really must say this is one of the more overhyped anime. No idea why it's so popular.

Honestly, I was pretty meh on it till that episode 24 fight.

It was a real "Demon Slayer Ep 19" moment.

From what I've heard, the movie Jujutsu Kaisen 0 is a must-watch before proceeding with season 2, so I'll do that.

Actually, I would recommend watching the first 5 episodes of S2 first. THEN 0. Since that's the order of events.

[MFauli]

Just finished the movie. That was a lot more enjoyable than season 1, lol. Although villains are again being portrayed as sympathetic despite being murderers. That scene where the sorcerer school's manager guy asks the two shit girls "you're still children, right. You can change", right after they hanged innocent people in the street behind. Fuck them. And later, Gojo literally tells Geto that ALL the big villains managed to escape. That is so cheap.

Reminds me of a certain recent big case in the Detective Conan-manga that was resolved in a total bs way.

STOP TREATING VILLAINS WITH SYMPATHY.

[DarthEnderX]

STOP TREATING VILLAINS WITH SYMPATHY.

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[shinta|hikari]

Maybe that's a roundabout way of asking to be treated with sympathy.

[neflight86]

Just watched the movie, and it did make the rest of the world somewhat more engaging by giving the characters more screen time and development. For some reason, I thought it involved the grown up version of that martial artist's kid (being enrolled at Jujutsu high), and was waiting for that the entire time, but that's not a big deal; just backstory on what could have been another protagonist.

STOP TREATING VILLAINS WITH SYMPATHY.

Why? Villains having more than one dimension - being the hero of their own story - is leagues more interesting than being insane, plain evil, or mustache twirling caricatures. You wouldn't say the same about the Spiders in HxH, would you? Opposing philosophies, circumstances and broad misunderstandings make deeper, richer conflicts in stories. Is the problem that you are afraid someone will mistake the bad guys for the good guys or something?

[MFauli]

Just watched the movie, and it did make the rest of the world somewhat more engaging by giving the characters more screen time and development. For some reason, I thought it involved the grown up version of that martial artist's kid (being enrolled at Jujutsu high), and was waiting for that the entire time, but that's not a big deal; just backstory on what could have been another protagonist.



Why? Villains having more than one dimension - being the hero of their own story - is leagues more interesting than being insane, plain evil, or mustache twirling caricatures. You wouldn't say the same about the Spiders in HxH, would you? Opposing philosophies, circumstances and broad misunderstandings make deeper, richer conflicts in stories. Is the problem that you are afraid someone will mistake the bad guys for the good guys or something?

The spiders in HXH are, even when they have a short, light-hearted scene, always depicted as psychotic, brutal, gruesome killers. I cannot remember any prolonged scene where they're shown just having fun.

And it's got nothing to do with "one dimension"; if you show me someone brutally murdering dozens of people in one scene, then a happy beach scene with lots of laughing at a later time, I'm not gonna jive with that. Especially when the villains keep getting away without any loss on their side.

I need to mention a Detective Conan-spoiler from manga volume 100, so beware spoiler if you aren't up-to-date with DC:
So FBI-agent Camel barely survived and swam to some small island. All the "men in black" are hunting him down. Near the end, they're standing in sight of Akai's sniper rifle, he could have easily shot several of them. Why didn't he? The lame excuse is "had he shot any of them, the rest might have started to shoot back and yadyayada". Pure and utter bs. An entire arc where several FBI-agents were murdered by the "men in black", and not a single of the bad guys got shot? That's pure bs.

And that's exatly the same "treating villains with sympathy" bs I was talking about. These murderous assholes deserve punishment, but the author is so deadset on showing us that they're "friendly" that he forgets about it. Same with Jujutsu Kaisen: We see that silver-haired dude gruesomely shrink and enlarge innocent people, leaving them to a terrible death, only for him to walk away scoff-free, laughing with his "friends" in their beach hideout. Fuck that.

[neflight86]

The spiders in HXH are, even when they have a short, light-hearted scene, always depicted as psychotic, brutal, gruesome killers. I cannot remember any prolonged scene where they're shown just having fun

If you read the manga, or the anime ever gets another season, you'll find they get an entire arc devoted to filling them in (backstory) and giving them sympathetic traits, even having fun with each other. I also don't think they are depicted as brutal, psychotic killers exclusively, even during what was animated.

...And that's exatly the same "treating villains with sympathy" bs I was talking about. These murderous assholes deserve punishment, but the author is so deadset on showing us that they're "friendly" that he forgets about it. Same with Jujutsu Kaisen: We see that silver-haired dude gruesomely shrink and enlarge innocent people, leaving them to a terrible death, only for him to walk away scoff-free, laughing with his "friends" in their beach hideout. Fuck that.

Is what you desire more swift punishment? Modern media in the last 10 or so years has taken to delaying evil comeuppance for entire seasons of material to tease the audience along and make it more satisfying (see GoT; the villains had their way for 4 whole seasons before their karma came home to roost, or started to). This is shounen anime, they (the bad guys) will either lose or lose and become allies by the end of it, no doubt in my mind. If their loss and punishment isn't up to your particular requirements for cruelty, well... I don't know if there's any helping that.

To be clear, I'm not in love with JJK as a whole, but I think villains are one thing it does very well.

[MFauli]

If you read the manga, or the anime ever gets another season, you'll find they get an entire arc devoted to filling them in (backstory) and giving them sympathetic traits, even having fun with each other. I also don't think they are depicted as brutal, psychotic killers exclusively, even during what was animated.



Is what you desire more swift punishment? Modern media in the last 10 or so years has taken to delaying evil comeuppance for entire seasons of material to tease the audience along and make it more satisfying (see GoT; the villains had their way for 4 whole seasons before their karma came home to roost, or started to). This is shounen anime, they (the bad guys) will either lose or lose and become allies by the end of it, no doubt in my mind. If their loss and punishment isn't up to your particular requirements for cruelty, well... I don't know if there's any helping that.

To be clear, I'm not in love with JJK as a whole, but I think villains are one thing it does very well.

I've read the HXH manga (not the latest chapter, I think). The Spiders are never depicted as truly "good" or friendly, they always keep their dangerous aura from when they were first introduced.

And while, yes, some villains should receive punishment quicker, my point is that they're depicted as friendly, as people that you want to hang out with when they're not murdering. Not doing this wouldn't make them one-dimensional. The Akatsuki from Naruto are actually a great example - as long as you ignore filler-content and Kishimoto's love for Sasuke. They're always clearly painted as villains, but definitely aren't one-dimensional or "mustache swirling".

[neflight86]

I think there's a nuanced divide between portrayed as evil versus being simply being dangerous/intimidating. Of course there can be both, but I think the JJK villains with high functioning minds (not mob plain curses) act upon reason before simply hatred or ill-will. You can hold conversations with them before the (inevitable) fight, and they even have some charisma. Taking that away would just make the exchanges so flat and uninteresting.