How do past years hold up - List your true highlights

[shinta|hikari]

That's not what he is saying. He is saying that past years of anime are not objectively better than current years of anime. He is saying you are overly emphasizing the best entries for a number of years and comparing it to each year's output.

The truth is every year is variable, with some being better and some worse, but the overall pattern does NOT show that older shows are better as a trend. It is either equal or newer seasons being better overall due to art and tech progress.

[Y]

The best years of the industry are vastly superior to the modern era in both the sense that the best shows are better and there were far less shows being made so the average is better. There's probably more bad isekai shows alone being made this year than there were total shows in 1995.

EDIT:

1995 has Evangelion and Gundam Wing out of 17 total TV shows airing. Let's say all the other ones are dogshit, sorry Fushigi Yugi and Gunsmith Cats and Slayers, I never watched that shit, whatever. So 2 out of 17 are great (or 1 out of 17, if you're being mean to poor old Gundam Wing).

There were 222 TV shows aired last year according to my quick math on Wikipedia. This means there need to be what, a dozen-ish Evangelion-level shows and a dozen-ish Gundam Wing shows to match 1995. Or you need to argue, equally implausibly, that the average show is now vastly superior and so it rescues 2023, despite the fact that the average show airing now is titled something like Reborn As A Pedophile In A Fantasy MMO.

[MFauli]

That's not what he is saying. He is saying that past years of anime are not objectively better than current years of anime. He is saying you are overly emphasizing the best entries for a number of years and comparing it to each year's output.

The truth is every year is variable, with some being better and some worse, but the overall pattern does NOT show that older shows are better as a trend. It is either equal or newer seasons being better overall due to art and tech progress.

I'm judging whether a year is good or not by the amount of great anime that released during that year, yes. Like every normal person would do.

[shinta|hikari]

And what we are saying is that if you do that, recent years are similar in quality to those farther in the past. We still get amazing shows now. Of course I cannot convince you of this, so just treat it as another opinion, just like how I treat yours.

I do agree with Y that mathematically, the true average of shows has declined just because of the sheer amount being produced. This is allowed by technological advancement as well as just the enormous increase in the anime industry due to global popularity. That said, due to the same technology, the shows now are generally better animated with better coloring because of new tech and automation. I would not say art because we know there are a lot of garbage isekai shows that are being produced with almost no budget.

[MFauli]

And what we are saying is that if you do that, recent years are similar in quality to those farther in the past. We still get amazing shows now. Of course I cannot convince you of this, so just treat it as another opinion, just like how I treat yours.

Why would you convince me of what is an opinion?

But hey, let's play your game: I also think that OBJECTIVELY the quality has gone down. What's changed is your own standard, because you'Ve given up on demanding better. Because you know it's not getting better anymore.

[KrayZ33]

Why would you convince me of what is an opinion?

What's that question, considering you are trying to do exactly that yourself?
What unit of measure do you use that has any objectivity to it and is not entirely subjective.

[Y]

That said, due to the same technology, the shows now are generally better animated with better coloring because of new tech and automation. .

There are changes in the industry, advancements perhaps from the perspective of the executives who were able to cut costs and fire in-betweeners. Not advancements in the sense that things look better. Technology does not make a show look good inherently, no more than spending 300 million dollars on CGI automatically makes a modern blockbuster better looking than Star Wars or Terminator.

They are especially not "better animated", as "better animation" is almost always a function of just having a large production budget, talented artists and lax deadlines. It has little to nothing to do with technology.

[shinta|hikari]

Untrue. Drawing and coloring are now all done digitally, whereas before they were done with pencils and many layers for coloring and shading. This has made things much easier and more detailed. Heck, even our screens can now depict detail that simply did not exist before prior to new technology. In fact, we are remastering old works by using similar tech to make them look better because old stuff really does not hold up to our current standard.

Compare the Evangelion anime versus the Evangelion movies. Compare the original Fate Stay Night to Fate Zero or Unlimited Blade Works. It's not that they didn't want to or have the budget to make the newer, better looking versions. They simply did not have the technology for it.

Another example is Miyazaki's works. Yes, his art and animation are incredible. But the older works are not as good in those terms as the newer ones (Porco Rosso vs The Boy and the Heron). Then compare it visually to the newer Makoto Shinkai works, which have amazing visuals, especially for view and environment shots. I don't think those visuals are even possible using exclusively pencil art.