I think lolicon encompasses that age as well, so it should be sufficient to address that kind of fanservice too without involving pedophilia. There are definitely strange stuff out there that are classified as lolicon despite having blatantly prepubescent characters.
Peace.
Lolicon seems to adress the 6-16 range.
It's not as specified as pedophilia or - what was the other word again - hebephilia.
At least that's what I got out of my research for this topic.
The best topic we could have talked about with this anime in mind btw. it's really bad - I want to know what happens when he gets back to the surface though. And then I'll probably drop it.
I'm looking for a "F you, F you, F you - YOU ARE COOL - F you, F you"-scene
I've read the first novel and it wasn't so bad. Went to shit in 2nd novel though.
Peace.
Watched all of this tonight.
Super generic. Boring OP protagonist.
Lolicon aside, I was actually surprised to see a protag just straight up go for it. I'm so goddamn used to action protags never doing anything ever in the romance department.
But yeah, she's a loli, and I can honestly say the only thing I'm looking forward to in this series is seeing his old classmates react to his new waifu.
This reminded me of an old gif I saw years ago that was like "The only people that know the difference between pedophilia and hebephilia are pedophiles and hebephiles."Originally Posted by KrayZ33
No, this is dumb. Loli doesn't have an age range. Loli, in context of anime, pertains to a certain body type/appearance. The 1000 yo dragon-loli is a loli, too, despite being 1000 years old.
And if we're talking about the age of the apparent body, loli goes up to ca. 12 yo, basically what this vampire loli looks like. If you go up in age, you usually have girls with bigger boobs, pronounced waiste lines and thick thighs, not loli at all.
Shinta, I just want to add (now that I can type on a keyboard instead of my smartphone ....) that I'm a super strong opponent of censorship. I don't want to ban any content. I even publically defend innocent aka non-offending pedophiles on Twitter, because I hate the irrational, unfair discriminaton and condemnation these people receive in the year 2019, where society claims to be progressive blabla. BUT: I just hate how widespread these (sexualized) loli depictions have become. And I feel uncomfortable when a girl with a pre-pubescent body (and EVERY non-weeb that I could show that scene would call it that) is shown naked AND making sexual avances. I remember when anime had loli that were infatuated with the hero, but that's it. No nude scenes, no actual sex.
On top of that, I just find it trashy and shallow. If you have a pedo-relationship in a show, do it in a serious way. Show why they love each other, show their thoughts, and DONT show nude scenes. Arifurete did it in the worst way. Hero stumbles over loli, loli instantly loves hero, now nude scenes. Sigh.
Conclusion:
Lolis in anime are okay. Just not with sexualized nude scenes and not in such number. This is not a case of "stop caring what other people think", no, it's me myself feeling uncomfortable. And your attempt to rid the pedo-label here was really weird. Fictional vs Real doesnt matter here. If the Pocco-anime had sexualized Pocco, it'd have been pedophile content, too. Fictional content still evokes real feelings. So let's call it what it is - and then we can talk about issues/benefits.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
The body type it's going for is that of a 6-16 year old - prepubescent to teenager - anywhere in between.No, this is dumb. Loli doesn't have an age range. Loli, in context of anime, pertains to a certain body type/appearance. The 1000 yo dragon-loli is a loli, too, despite being 1000 years old.
The body of a typical 14-16 yo has nothing to do with "loli".
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
You are in the wrong.
Why don't you look it up yourself.
Lolicons look for women who are to some degree a women, but at the same time, also look like a child - or very young.
I have no idea in what enviroment you live, but not all 16 year old are huge breasted ass-monsters.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Wed, 08-07-2019 at 08:09 AM.
The first fictional loli that made me fall for her
I mean, in Mfauli's sig, he labeled Rem as a loli, and she is quite popular for her boobs. Also she is 17 when the show started.
I just realized that his sig implies that he has already fallen for a real-life loli because he went out of his way to say fictional. But then again, maybe he was making a distinction between real and fictional people because they are different... oh wait...
@Mfauli - I've repeated it many times, so this will be the last. I am not making any judgment about the content. I only wanted to clarify that the word pedophilia is very misunderstood and loaded, and it is better to use less loaded and more accurate words for mostly benign things. Using the term mistakenly hurts actual innocent pedophiles (yes they exist), people who just like fanservice but are not pedophiles at all, and the general public who are still misinformed about the actual definition of pedophilia, a disorder that has specific criteria (not a label for child molesters). I generally agree with your stance on fanservice. I never mentioned censorship.
Surprising to some, most people who do molest children aren't diagnosed as pedophiles. They do it because their target is very vulnerable and they can easily get away with it and/or they are drunk/drugged. A lot of it also goes unreported because of shame, fear of retaliation, disbelief, and the fact that the molester is or related to the guardian of the child. This is especially true in developing countries and rural/isolated areas.
Peace.
At the time I made that sig I knew a cute girl irl that I really liked and chattet with via LINE every day. She's my age, but she's also about 150cm in size. Since she knew about me posting on Gotwoot, I made that sig to tease her
Edit: Rem isn't a loli, she's an oppai loli. Those are VERY different again. Fapping to oppai loli means you're still attracted to womanly features. Fapping to loli means you're into child-like features.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
I came to see why this thread has 50 posts or something (I don't watch this show). I'm surprised, but also not that surprised.
Much of the earlier debate could have been solved with a Venn diagram but you guys worked it out anyway.
As for the DSM criteria, I'll list it here for convenience.
Basically:
1) You like kids. AND
2) You've approached a kid, or you like kids to the point where you can't function in society due to this. AND
3) You weren't recently a kid.
"Acted on these urges" is not defined, but I understand that to mean "sexually harassing someone". Jacking off to them in private... not so much, unless it causes you distress and shit.
Note that for pretty much all mental health disorders, it's only a disorder if it causes issues with the person functioning in society. Such as either raping kids, or feeling so distressed about his urges that it affects their life.
A farmer in the sticks with a fear of heights who doesn't actually live somewhere that lets him manifest the fear into dysfunction doesn't have acrophobia.
A medieval prince who taps 13yos doesn't have paedophilia because DSM 5 wasn't out back then, but also because it's socially acceptable and part of society then.
As for people who dig 2D shota and loli but otherwise behave themselves and don't feel particularly distressed in their society (like Japan)? They don't have a mental health disorder. They just have different tastes.
And "loli"? Child-like appearance regardless of age. Boobs or no boobs is debatable but obviously not massive boobs.
Last edited by Buffalobiian; Wed, 08-07-2019 at 01:56 PM.
If it's not Isuzu-chan Mii~
Pedophilia is not defined by societal norms. Its defined by biological fact aka attraction to pre-pubescent kids. So a medieval prince fucking 11 yos was pedophile even back then. There just was no scientific term for it, yet.
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Right? I watched this because someone said it's another anime where you eat the monsters and steal their powers(which is kinda my jam. #BlueMageLyfe). Noticed that discussion goes from a couple posts about episode one, then right to the most recent episode for multiple pages.
Immediately thought "Oh man, this is gonna be a 50 post argument about the loli isn't it."
Last edited by DarthEnderX; Thu, 08-08-2019 at 02:58 AM.
Certainly is a more educational topic than the show itself, as Krayz put it.
Peace.
I like this anime. Not seeing the so-called pedo stuff people are focusing on. Maybe they see something because they have those desires and are projecting.
She is a thousand year old Vampire though.
Jesus Christ, could you be more of a cliche?
You don't like her being a 1000 year old Vampire? Or you don't want her being 20x older than you?
I'm saying that the "that 10 year old girl is really a 1000 year old vampire" is the ACTUAL cliche excuse for anime pedos. Like EXACTLY.
Which almost makes it seem intentional on the part of the author. Which would be kinda funny if that's the case.
But then you seem to be non-ironically using it as an excuse, which makes me think you have a severe self-awareness deficit.
Recap? Lol ...
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Episode 6:
Ok, so I take it all Japanese are pedophiles, huh?
Super hot bunny girl in front of him. No reaction. Then she talks about how beautiful she is and he even replies "dont say that when Yue is much better than you!"
Just a giant. WHAT THE FUCK :/
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
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