This. He basically threw whatever he could and got lucky Nezuko blood bombed that shitty kid.Originally Posted by Buffalobiian
This. He basically threw whatever he could and got lucky Nezuko blood bombed that shitty kid.
Peace.
I don't think Tanjiro thought anything at all.As a last ditch effort anything goes, but there's no good reason for Tanjiro to think Fire dancing should give him heightened destructive powers, if that thought went through his mind at all.
The scene was portrayed as him almost admitting defeat and accepting death. He had his life flash before his eye, that mosaic scene, out of *everything* that was shown there in that mosaic - his water breathing training, the ghost-children near his teachers house in the hills, the grandmother telling him about demons, the fights he already had etc. etc. etc. - he remembered his father, a man so frail he could barely stand or work (probably, by the looks of it). Yet with his breathing, he was able to overcome an obstacle that would've been *impossible* to do under normal circumstances, especially for him.
That's exactly what happened here too. He remembered the dance, the breathing, his frail father during a very strong moment and the way to overcome an obstacle that would otherwise be impossible to overcome or achieve feats that would otherwise seem impossible to achieve. - that's why he used it, most likely intuitively. I really doubt any of this was evaluated properly or even calculated.
He just... "remembered"
Last edited by KrayZ33; Tue, 08-13-2019 at 03:03 PM.
Episode 20:
Theyre too op, dont like it at all. If the guy can finish one of the 12 this easily, whats stopping him from easy victory? :/ And the breathing is dumb. I can see how breathing relates to sword slashes. But he just stood there and the threads kept bouncing off his skin. So breathing gives you a shield? Uhuh ....
The flashback was boring, nobody needed that. It was obvious from the beginnung why a demon would create family members.
Lastly, I hate the whole "cute girl acting cute, but is actually a capable killer".
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Uh.....Okay.
Gonna agree with this. If this high ranking slayer was more even with one of the 12, then it'd be fine. But he won instantly and effortlessly.
Well, Tanjiro already defeated and killed an ex-moon.
And Water-expert dude (Giyu?) has eleven forms, while Tanjiro's trainer only knew 10, or rather - there were no more than 10 before he created the 11th form. So he is basically the boss of the water style.
If he weren't that strong, this show would be stupid and get boring soon, considering that Tanjiro only trained for like 3 years or so, while the others did for a decade...or decades, yet he already managed to defeat someone who Muzan thought worthy to give a special title at some point
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 08-17-2019 at 03:20 PM.
You might also want to consider that out of the twelve active ones that exist, the only Moon-tier demons we've seen are all in the lower half, and an expelled Lower 6 and the current Lower 5.
The lost kid ripped one of the drums out of the ex-Lower 6, so Tanjiro and team had a much easier time than they could have.
I imagine that the Upper six are exponentially stronger, since they can handle more and more of Muzan's blood. Muzan can also make an endless number of newbie demons, and apparently even at a moment's notice. It takes years of training to bring up a demon slayer, and who the hell knows how long it takes to replace a hashira if one of them dies.
The demon slayers probably have no chance against Muzan directly as it stands, because it only take a single cut from him to convert an attacker into one of his spawn.
I find it hilarious that this typical shounen story is being criticized for being... well, a typical shounen story.
Don't worry guys, the other enemies ranked above this white kid are going to be way stronger and (more than) a match for the elites. How do I know? Because this is a typical shounen story.
LOL.
It's almost like no one has ever watched any anime here before.
Peace.
Even in the context of "this is shounen anime" it doesn't work.
The Twelve are basically this series' version of the Akatsuki. Or the Espada.
This would be like if one of the Jounins or Squad Captains just appeared and one-shot an Akatsuki or an Espada.
In Naruto or Bleach, those encounters would have still been FIGHTS. Because otherwise, the whole group loses it's entire sense of menace.
They aren't Jounins though, they are Hashiras. That's basically Hokage Rank ... unless each breath style has multiple "pillars" (hashira) - which I doubt because the name simply wouldn't fit and they are not even mentioned in the 10 ranks when the puppets spoke about the hierachy after the trial.
It's also not really the same, because Akatsuki are a group of super special individuals.
We don't know how special the moons are as it's already shown that Muzan basically demotes and promotes whenever he sees fit and it's probably only related on how much blood or how many humans they've eaten.
And on top of that, if the Yellow Flash or Madara would've fought most of the crew, with the exception of maybe Pain (or Tobi), it wouldn't have been much of a fight either, if a fight at all - the powercurve in those longer anime's is rather absurd anyway and changes whenever for the most random reason.
But that is not all, we saw Rui's vision and it was already blurry as hell, so he might've been exhausted.
All we know is that they are more powerful than normal demons "on the street", yet we have no information about the difference in power inside the group itself.
It's probably similar to the Arrow and Ball demons that were kinda special? They did follow Muzan's direct orders yet even somone with the lowest rank inside the Corps (Tanjiro) was able to defeat them.
From what we've seen so far, I think it's wrong to see the Twelve as a group similar to Akatsuki.
We don't know how many of the "Twelve" have been defeated in the last 300 years, we don't even know how quickly they are replaced, we can only guess that it doesn't take long because otherwise Muzan wouldn't demote them just because they couldn't grow further.
As far as I understood it, they aren't the "Twelve Moons" because they are the strongest demons on the planet, they are the "Twelve Moons" because Muzan gave them some of his blood (as his blood seems to transform the cells of the individual recieving it) or an ample amount of human bodies to eat - making them stronger than they originally were... and they might work under Muzan's direct orders due to this, while most of the other demons do not.
That's why Tanjiro has to hunt them for the cure to Nezuko's transformation because after all they have the blood of Muzan inside of them I guess(?)
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 08-18-2019 at 03:30 AM.
Yeah, which is why Naruto never had Minato fight any of those characters. Because it would have completely undermined the group as antagonists to be feared, just like this show just did.
Yet it undermined the strength of the good guys to the point were you would question yourself what chuunin or jounin are even worth.
It's pointless to have fancy titles and them telling you "oh Elite Ninjas are super powerful" - yet they can barely throw a kunai and get defeated by the enemy in a single swing. (see great Ninja War at the end of the series)
So at most, it's just the other way around.
Considering Muzan can create new demons at will, it doesn't really help that you have such powerful Demon Slayers in the corps if they can't catch Muzan himself. The demons are still able to create havoc and kill lower ranked members with ease - reducing the numbers of veterans in the process to the point where one might not even get "another" Hashira since the students keep on dying during their hunts. Demons seem to live on forever, humans do not, they have to retire (and we've already seen a retired demon slayer).
This scene basically showed me that the "Hokage" of Kimetsu no Yaiba are actually doing things instead of sitting at home being "the strongest ninja of the village". Yet at the same time it's rather obvious that they are the exception in terms of power
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 08-18-2019 at 04:54 AM.
Agreed. Naruto btw. DID a bad job when Sasuke beat Deidara. It undermined the, up to that point, overwhelming aura pf Akatsuki. Before you had Kakuzu and Hidan beat in a tough battle, requiring many top heroes, one even dying. Sakura had the help of the person who creates puppets to defeat Sasori. It made kinda sense. And then Sasuke pwned an Akatsuki, made him even feel scared :/
Kimetsu now has very distorted "power levels". We can, ofx, speculate that this was the weakest of the 12, but the way he was beaten effortlessly was simply too crass imo. And he probably didnt even need his 11 breathing, he was superior in speed, strength alone.
Honestly, my favorable guess is that both these slayers are human-demon hybrids. Maybe drunk some demon blood, but kept it to a level thats not fatal. Would be a more satisfying explanation than "well. Duh, they just underwent harsher training"
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
Muzan took two fairly new demons, pumped them up with a little of his blood, and told them they were Twelve Moons, when they 100% weren't. He lied to them. Their only purpose was to hunt Tanjiro and Tamayo because he had just encountered them both on the street.
That's how quickly he can make new demons that can give trained and experienced slayers trouble.
@MFauli:
No. The Hashira are just those demon slayers who have survived this long and trained to such extreme lengths to the point that they are actually consistently useful. They're the upper ranks of the slayers. They're all human. Tanjiro would have smelled something if Tomioka wasn't. Urokodaki was one too, same thing, Tanjiro would have noticed.
The regular ones survive the night on the mountain, maybe kill some new and weak demons, and they're in.
Last edited by Ryllharu; Sun, 08-18-2019 at 05:15 AM.
Yeah, and if I want there to be any tension in the series, the good guys seeming too week is infinitely preferable to the bad guys seeming that way.
But the bad guy nearly killed MC and for once, a much stronger ally came to the rescue.
You make it sound as if there is no longer any danger, but that's absolutely not the case.
This is the powerline
Weaker-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Stronger
----Regular Demons-----Tanjiro --------Rui/(some)Moons-------------Giyu/(------)Muzan(------)
nothing else. Doesn't look like a problem to me.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 08-18-2019 at 11:56 AM.
But ... Tanjiro already has a fully traunes body. How do you train to go fromm there to effortlessly killing a higher demon?
"She's the only non-loli girl in the show, your honor!" will be my defense in court
There is no such thing as a "fully" trained protagonist (and also a lot of characters) in shounen anime.
Peace.
I think the one thing we can all agree on is that a demon slayer's power isn't determined by their rank, but by the distinctiveness of their kimono.
what do you mean?
Zenitsu has perfected the first form - can't do any of the others, yet it looks like he has that form down to it's fullest, probably to a level of a master even.
Tanjiro can do most/all 10 forms of his style (he was just shown a new one, the 11ths) but didn't "master" any of it. He just found a new way to enhance those with his Kagura style too.
There are plenty of ways for them to improve.
He trained for 2 years, what do you think will happen over the next 10 to 20? He'd obviously advance and train these techniques to their fullest potential. And that's where Giyu is currently at or at least the direction he is going to.
How old is Tanjiro again? Was it mentioned somewhere? He is no older than 17.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sun, 08-18-2019 at 01:25 PM.
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