Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba

[Buffalobiian]

Pretty sure GAR has always been the former. It was applied to Gurren Lagaan. Backward link of the two terms by conflating GL with GaoGaiGar that inspired it.

I'm all for retconning it, especially if it actually has some logical sense instead of being a typo.

Typos becoming a meme shits me off in general.

[MFauli]

Typos becoming a meme shits me off in general.

I'm sorry ... wat.

[Buffalobiian]

Shits me off mean pisses me off.

Maybe it's just an Australian term.

"Wat" is just spelt incorrectly. That's fine. That's not what pisses me off.

[DarthEnderX]

TVTropes used to have a GAR page, but as they often do, they got rid of the fun slang term and split it up into a bunch of boring, clinically named subtropes.

[neflight86]

I always understood GAR as being the triumph of spirit and force of will over logic and physics. Really, most of what old school Ginax or Trigger has gone.

In the heat of the moment, most of the sloppy bounceback logic didn't phase me this episode because I was enjoying them winning. Buuuut, for sake of argument, some of these complaints can be sorta rationalized to a degree.

What's not foreshadowed was Usui's Muscle Score. Sure, let's say he can read moves now - but he's still got poison in him. Forgetting the fact that stopping your heart kills your brain, restarting doesn't solve the problem.

I figure the heart stop was a ploy/gamble to buy time to perform recovery breathing that can apparently neutralize poison- at least Tanjiro acted like it could at the end of the episode. Assuming he could start his hart back up to rejoin the fight, making Tanjiro not giving up and buying time crucial.

Edit: And fuck these kunai. If they're THAT effective, every hashira, better every demon slayer should carry one of those. That was way too powerful. Just stick it into one of the strongest demons and a half-dead Tanjiro suddenly had a chance again? lol

The way Tanjiro was talking, the wisteria kunai only seems to impair demon's regeneration, and his skull just got shook; i.e concussed. Even that only seemed to last for a few moments after it was removed. I think, going by these episodes, actually taking the time to stick them (demons) is the issue. It seems more efficient to go for the kill than to try and poison/debuff strong opponents by risking direct contact.

Nothing to do with your complaint, but has there been any mention of Demon's stamina, or limits thereof? It has always been posited that the demons are advantaged during long fights because their stamina is unlimited, but don't they have to eat to replenish their strength, or is it only to grow stronger? I remember they made a big deal of Nezuko sleeping as a substitute to flesh consumption, and the doctor demon subsisting on blood, so I was wondering if any demons ever do actually get tired after unleashing successive blood arts or the like?

Yeah, it was one thing where he'd just do one big move while unconscious. But he's he's fighting entire battles and having full-on conversations while unconscious now, and that's fucking stupid.

Haven't you ever heard of sleep talking???? If it wasn't so funny to think about, it would bother me, too.

I mean...this episode felt like ufotable let their Fate team out of the backrooms and they just took the whole thing over.

There's some pretty characteristic UBW and HF film stuff going on here. Some of the sequences are right out of the Saber Alter/Berserker and Rider/Saber Alter fights. Big blood body explosion might as well be the grail exploding.

Yep. Exactly. The spectacle still carries some great hype, though.

Don't get me wrong, there is still plenty to roll your eyes at (Innosuke intuiting those poison blades two episodes ago, dodging for his life, and declaring the mountain made him immune to poison now), but the good guys pulling through was entertaining as I could hope, and most folks rooting for the heroes will love it. This (ark) was fine entertainment, I think we can all agree.

[DarthEnderX]

11

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I wonder if Nezuko's flames can cure what's killing the boss.

[MFauli]

The beginning of this episode was atrocious. They shouldn't have done the whole blood explosion-cliffhanger last week when Nezuko undid everything within the first 5 seconds of this epiosde :/ And way too much comedic relief during all that, too. Ugh. I still can't believe they have Innosuke survive being stabbed through the chest, literally. You know, heart or not, that's a fatal wound. At least show him suffer more.

Rest of the episode was alright, although I don't see the meaning in flashbacks like these. Yes, villains most of the time have a tragic past that lead them to be the way they are ... but what about it? It doesn't excusive their crimes in the present and it doesn't offer any special insight. Wasted time mostly. If there was anything that could be done to help them, like Tanjiro entering their soul and pulling them back to the human side, that would be something. But alas ...

Season over already, ugh. I assume the next season won't air this yeah, huh?

[Ryllharu]

Tanjiro again being a perfect saint, reconciling two siblings even on their last breaths.

I wonder if Nezuko's flames can cure what's killing the boss.

The beginning of this episode was atrocious. They shouldn't have done the whole blood explosion-cliffhanger last week when Nezuko undid everything within the first 5 seconds of this epiosde :/ And way too much comedic relief during all that, too.

If I remember the end of the first series, he has some super-cancer genetic illness, like the inverse of Muzan's mutation.

It's been established that Nezuko can burn her own blood, extended to demon blood, and now demon blood arts. So it sorta follows, but has a limitation. If his super-cancer is demon blood related, then maybe she can.

The comedy relief is what makes this a good series. It's not so far up its own ass with gravitas that it can humiliate its own heroes moments after they win.

Rest of the episode was alright, although I don't see the meaning in flashbacks like these. Yes, villains most of the time have a tragic past that lead them to be the way they are ... but what about it? It doesn't excusive their crimes in the present and it doesn't offer any special insight. Wasted time mostly. If there was anything that could be done to help them, like Tanjiro entering their soul and pulling them back to the human side, that would be something. But alas ...

It never is intended to excuse their crimes. We're not meant to hate the majority of the demons aside from Muzan and a few of the Upper rankers. Tanjiro always forgives them because they're meant to be pitied for what they've become. This arc should have reinforced that from both side of Nezuko's character, which is and has been the parallel this whole time.

Nezuko almost went feral with bloodlust. She almost hate human flesh when she did. This arc is a warning to what Nezuko might become if Tanjiro and the others don't always keep an eye on her. She's good yes, she has incredible, unforseen powers for a demon, yes. But she's still very much tempted to become one of Muzan's flock.

Gyutaro realized that Daki/Ume was only fucked up and brutal because he made her that way, and he tried to even take all the blame, and (apparently) whatever afterlife there is, was willing to let her before she reciprocated that loyalty that he always had for her.

[MFauli]

If I remember the end of the first series, he has some super-cancer genetic illness, like the inverse of Muzan's mutation.

It's been established that Nezuko can burn her own blood, extended to demon blood, and now demon blood arts. So it sorta follows, but has a limitation. If his super-cancer is demon blood related, then maybe she can.

And the reason for why she is so almighty is ....? Ugh. I mean, sure, "because she doesn't kill and eat people", but that's such a lame explanation. Feels rather random to see the things Nezuko can pull off just so.

[Ryllharu]

We don't know yet.

(significant edit up above, btw, since we posted in the same time window)

Muzan makes an absurd number of demons as he struts around Japan. He specifically went to go slaughter their family, but turned one instead. Maybe he's just trying literally everything to see what he can make with the randomness? Nezuko isn't that extreme, compared to a lot of others. She doesn't have control over literal time, space, momentum (fundamentals of physics!!!), invisibility, secondary transmissible mutation powers (spider family), etc.

She has physical body control, high regen (all upper ranks do), and a blood art that affects blood arts. She's pretty average when you look at it that way. Her abilities are actually just stereotypical mountain Oni from folklore, in case you hadn't noticed.

[MFauli]

The comedy relief is what makes this a good series. It's not so far up its own ass with gravitas that it can humiliate its own heroes moments after they win.

Comedic relief in the middle of a situation where it's unclear if character are gonna survive or not is ruining the whole atmosphere. Rather, it spoils that nobody's gonna die, because that wouldn't fit the comedy. "But it was obvious that nobody was going to die", no shit, Sherlock, but the heroes were still lying around with severe wounds and at least lead us to believe that something bad COULD happen. The instant a comedy face pops up, however, ruins that tension.

It's one of the worst things in Bleach, for example, an anime where even inmidst of tragic or life-threatening scenes, the makers would use shitty comedic relief. I hate that shit so much.

[Ryllharu]

Bleach does it badly, yes. But KnY does it well.

They time it specifically where it should be. Before something tense happens, and deflating the tension only once the situation has truly resolved to mark it as finally over. Like good horror movies do.

[Buffalobiian]

Nezuko is so sweet. It made the episode so nice to watch.

Zenitsu's awake.. lol.. well I'll just call it a necessary evil.

Tengen being talked down to felt weird but we're already told that he's not the most talented of them all so meh.

I totally forgot that Tamayo's plotline exists.

Seeing Master break composure over this victory is enough to assure me that this is a huge deal. Too bad it looks like he's about to die.

[MFauli]

Talking about "big deal": If I were Muzan, I'd seen all my upper class demons towards the hashira hq. They wouldn't stand a chance, would they. The biggest risk would the demons fighting themselves lol.

[DarthEnderX]

Suma's face when Nezuko cured Uzui. An artistic masterpiece.

You know, heart or not, that's a fatal wound.

Well, no. If an attack doesn't hit a vital organ, it can easily be non-fatal.

[shinta|hikari]

If he moved his heart, no sense to not move everything vital elsewhere as well. It was supposed to be a chest-yet-flesh wound.

Time for snake-dood to retire or die and be replaced by boar's head.

[Buffalobiian]

I dismiss the whole thing as "just anime things", but to find the above intellectually acceptable (for lack of better words), you'd have to accept 2 things:

1) That Inosuke can move all his vital organs, and

2) That Inosuke had time to do so.


(1) is take-it-or-leave-it, not much to discuss there since it's BS anyway. (2) depends on presentation. Inosuke was clearly ambushed here and showed no resistance or evasion towards the sickle at all. To think that he moved his organs in response to this attack is a bit of an asspull. To me, something like "I locate my organs elsewhere at baseline for exactly these scenarios" or "I'm born with my heart in my abdomen" would at least be consistent.

What they could have done was have Inosuke's spidey-sense trigger just as the attack hit. At least then we can believe that he reacted to the hit, even if he didn't show any signs of dodging.

[shinta|hikari]

What they could have done was have Inosuke's spidey-sense trigger just as the attack hit. At least then we can believe that he reacted to the hit, even if he didn't show any signs of dodging.

They couldn't do that because it would reduce the sense of dread and hopelessness. We all felt the "how the fuck are they gonna survive this" feeling, so that succeeded.

I can suspend disbelief that Inosuke can move his innards faster than he can move his body since his body depends on external factors (footing, leverage, momentum, etc.) while his internals are an isolated system. If we accept the statement that he can move his organs at will, it is within reason he noticed the attack (but we didn't see it explicitly since he has a boar head on), but could only react by moving his organs around to "unimportant" areas in anticipation of a lethal blow.

[DarthEnderX]

"I locate my organs elsewhere at baseline for exactly these scenarios"

That's what I assumed.

If you can rearrange your organs, why would you ever keep them in the default spot, where you know people will target them?

[MFauli]

I dismiss the whole thing as "just anime things", but to find the above intellectually acceptable (for lack of better words), you'd have to accept 2 things:

1) That Inosuke can move all his vital organs, and

2) That Inosuke had time to do so.


(1) is take-it-or-leave-it, not much to discuss there since it's BS anyway. (2) depends on presentation. Inosuke was clearly ambushed here and showed no resistance or evasion towards the sickle at all. To think that he moved his organs in response to this attack is a bit of an asspull. To me, something like "I locate my organs elsewhere at baseline for exactly these scenarios" or "I'm born with my heart in my abdomen" would at least be consistent.

What they could have done was have Inosuke's spidey-sense trigger just as the attack hit. At least then we can believe that he reacted to the hit, even if he didn't show any signs of dodging.

Thank you, that's exactly what annoyed me, too. If he's got time to move his organs .... he's got time to do other stuff, too!