And I explained why murder has the same uncomfortable situation of rape, i.e. the 'receeding terror and the following grief.Originally Posted by Kraco
And people who are ok with a guy hacked in pieces (and slowly and with great detail, too) but are shocked over a rape scene ... well, fuck those assholes :/
Nobody was murdered. Either you could say he was killed by monsters (the same as getting killed by a bear, for example) or he died in a war/conflict between humans and goblins if you want to present the goblins more like a society of intelligent beings, which they basically indeed are. Multiple times more goblins were killed as well, not murdered.
I think he meant killed.
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I want to point out that neither rape nor the brutal death was shown in this show.
(So I don't understand where that "hacked into pieces in great detail" stuff is coming from)
The 2 extremes are equally awful and both are equally unnecessary to animate in detail.
Death in general however is something completely different.
I'm not sure what the discussion is currently about anymore.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Thu, 10-11-2018 at 11:33 AM.
I think Mfauli's main issue is why the rape is being received with more hate/disgust than the brutal killing, even though both are sort of off screen.
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Yes. And even then, Murder/killng IS often show in full detail, whereas that scene in GS is as much as we'll ever see of rape in anime.
Btw 'hacked in great detail' meant that GS showed how the goblins were all over the sword guy, repeatedly stabbing him while showing his face. He was still alive during all that and screaming in agony. The sorceress was stabbed in detail, too.
But boohoo rape. :/
I don't know who was complaining about "hard-censored offscreen" killing/rape, but I doubt you should take them seriously.
It certainly is the right decision however to "imply/offscreen" it, as both would be extremely disturbing imho and won't add a whole lot to the shock factor.
In fact, leaving things up for imagination might be "worse" and won't end up in it being cringy/trash.
6 days after broadcast and three pages. Just had to watch to make sure I wasn't missing out (or get spoiled), and I walk into... a two and a half page rape-in-media debate? At least thats something to talk about...
I'll throw my hat in the 'a bit too edgy' corner. I wasn't too keen on how unsubtle the show was being about the party's unpreparedness/naiveté. This is gonna end bad; that much was spoiled by the intro scene, must I be beat over the head about it? At least it was only the first portion of the episode. Didn't care much for the blaring music during the death fest, but things got better after the titular slayer arrived. I actually liked the character, and enjoyed the systematic completion of the mission. Not much happened, but I hope the 'grittiness' has been set sufficiently so the show won't have to work so hard to sell me despair in future episodes.
But is it?
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From the stuff I read online about episode 1, yes.
A lot of SJWs say the rape scene glorifies rape culture. You can check goblinslayer twitter to see the reactions to such reactions, which are pretty funny.
Last edited by shinta|hikari; Fri, 10-12-2018 at 08:42 AM.
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Wow.. that's hilarious.
One of my favourites would have to be this one:
I'll have to get someone to explain to me how this (the anime scene, not the picture) could glorify rape culture.
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The very presence of rape is apparently glorifying rape culture to them. It doesn't matter that Goblin Slayer is literally slaying rapists left and right.
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It's so bad, it's not even funny anymore....
SJWs / radical egalitarianists should seriously start to shut up right about now or we'll have death squads moving around at some point in time.
I think the worst thing about this is how hypocritical this is and how vocal the very few with these viewpoints are, yet companies/producers etc. start to listen to them.
Heavily agreeing to everything. 👍
Btw I'd like to know what 'glorifying rape' would actually be. Even if a show depicted rape as something good from the perpetrator's perspective, that would make a lot sense in that context.
I guess glorifying rape would be to show it in a way that's supposed to arouse the watcher - which hundreds of h-anime and thousands of h-doujin do, lol. And yes that's hot. It's also fictional. But I don't see 'glorifying rape' ever being an issue in a serious anime. Te issue is that these loudmouth outragers define ANY rapd at all as gross and glorifying. At which point I'll return to my previous argument: STFU, you're fine with killing, then you gotta be fine with rape, too. :]
An example of glorifying rape would be revenge raping an evil person, or maybe simply creating a world where rape is okay and no one is supposed to mind. Alternatively, it might be a story that paints rapists in a good/better light than what is fair.
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But ... all of that sounds ... interesting?!
1.) I've often thought during the Naruto-days that male shinobi would realistically have some fun with kunoichi they defeated. Ofc It's a shounen-serires, but if it wasn't .... Also, in general rape seems like a good way to punish someone. I mean, 'prison rape' is a well-known term.
2.) A world where rape is okay - rather, it'd be a world where anyone can fuck anyone and there is no discrimination based on personal preferences. That could work both ways: a) depict it as a utopia where sex doesn't matter anymore or b) show it as dystopia where the hero slowly realizes that rape is wrong and he starts rescuimg girls from rape, joining a resistance group lead by strong women where he's the one to face discrimination ('he's one of those pigs!') and works to earn their trust as they all fight the system - and he experiences non-rape sex for the first time as a romance subplot. Gimme!
3.) This is something I long wanted. Frankly, It's dumb that a rapist can never be a good person otherwise. Take your favorite hero and imagine he raped a girl in the past. But he still saved the world or whatever. Still no good? I'd love a story about a convicted rapist (someone who spent his time in prison) being the hero in a save-the-world story, and watch how his group members react once they hear his story. I'm generally of the opinion, though, that when you have received your legal punishment, you deserve to live a normal life (aside of personal guilt feelings). Sex offender list and such as in the USA is inhumane witch hunt bs.
Anyway, I don't think any of these examples really glorifies rape, shinta. Glorifying, again, probably refers more to arousing the audience, by making the occurring rape look sexy/hot.
which is exactly what you want though.Anyway, I don't think any of these examples really glorifies rape, shinta. Glorifying, again, probably refers more to arousing the audience, by making the occurring rape look sexy/hot.
You said it yourself and the sheer amount of "male raping females" (and never the other way around, or even male on male) talk you do give SJWs all the justification they need.
Your 2nd point almost tells me that you don't even know what rape is tbh...
This discussion is shit, lets end it.
I assumed we'd all know that most rape happens male to female. Didn't feel like wasting words on the obvious: yes, rape exists male to male and female to female and female to male, too. *sigh*
It's a good discussion, so why kill it? If you think my 2nd example doesn't properly portray what rape is, that's on you.
Not really on me when you say rape can exist in an utopia. That's the definition of glorifying rape
The reason why I mentioned it that you don't talk about the other forms of rape is because you are obviously turned on by it, as seen in your post about the fact that you'd prefer it if the female being raped is hot.
So discussing this context in a serious manner with you is out of the question.
Last edited by KrayZ33; Sat, 10-13-2018 at 07:05 AM.
Can you clarify this bit? Does this mean:
1) This is what MFauli wants, or
2) This is the aim of the media producer?
Post #56 seemed to go off to talk about the types of rape-involving stories that MFauli wants to see.
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edit: Keep discussing. I'll leave posts here if they relate back to Goblin Slayer. I'll be splitting posts into a new thread when we start having an extended discussion about rape in general media.
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